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All-Star Superman

 
  

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Keith, like a scientist
18:38 / 06.01.07
i like the Unknown Superman-as-fiction-suit-for-time-traveling-Supermen-working-with earlier-versions-of-themselves-idea. So, the one Lois sees could be anyone, not necessarily Clark. The "it's Future Lois" idea is funny, but it could be a future son, as well. Who knows. In a perfect world, it will come back later on in the series.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:47 / 06.01.07
Keith: The "it's Future Lois" idea is funny, but it could be a future son, as well.

If it's her son, the "Who was J.Lo" question becomes "I don't understand my parents' music!" I think I like that.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
22:27 / 06.01.07
In a perfect world, it will come back later on in the series.

I have faith that the world is just perfect enough that it will anyway.
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
00:34 / 07.01.07
Well, the idea of the Unknown Superman being just a ficsuit to avoid time paradoxes has a major plot hole; because the Golden Superman and the regular Superman are coexisting in the last scene, and as we know, they are both the same.
If the Unknown Superman disguise is to avoid a Superman - Superboy paradox, then why there isn't a Superman - Golden Superman paradox?

... okay, I'll shut up now.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:09 / 07.01.07
Cause Golden Superman Prime is TEH LEADER, and he's sort of above all that. ASSuperman doesn't seem to understand who is looking at.

Although it brings up an interesting point. It seems like ASSuperman somehow takes place after the events of DC One Million, so presumably Superman already knows what Superman Prime looks like...er, right?
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:22 / 07.01.07
Forgive me for not being able to locate my back issues of ASS and asking a possibly dunder-headed question, but didn't last issue end on a cliff-hanger with CK escaping prison and into some sort of underworld? or is this new issue a flashback? or have I been jaunting over into a parallel universe?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:37 / 07.01.07
i don't think it was intended to be a cliffhanger. Lex helped Clark get out of the prison.


Arghhhhh...this DC One Million thing is making me batty now, because now I recall that Lois knows Clark is Superman in DC One Million's timeframe, yes? Therefore A.S.S. can't take place after DC One Million. The easiest answer must be that All-Star truly is a different timeline altogether.

Hopefully this isn't threadrot on my part.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
01:45 / 07.01.07
Bah! It's Hypertime! What else do you need to know?

Superboy Prime punched a wall. There. Continuity is fixed.
 
 
LDones
02:12 / 07.01.07
Say it with me.

We are too old to care about continuity.

If you can't get past that, then regard that DC 1,000,000 took place in the year 85,271 AD, and currently Kal Kent says he's from the year 853,500. That's more like DC 1-Billion. Things are different.

Morrison threw a bone to his JLA readers, who know who these people are, and know who the golden Superman is. It's likely some permutation of that adventure exists in ASSman's past. Try not to care too much about it. This is different. Stop caring about continuity. Especially in a story that's been highlighted over and over as out of 'regular continuity', whatever that is.

Don't struggle to fit it into your grids. Go play a videogame or have a wank. Both potentially much better wastes of time than weighing enjoyment of a story on its canonical worth/deviation or lack therof.
 
 
CameronStewart
02:19 / 07.01.07
I admit that I too was expecting some kind of continuation of the end of #5 - I know that each issue has largely been self-contained but the final page of #5 (Lex's niece ferrying Clark across an underground lake, with the line "Where to, Mister Kent?") really did seem like a set-up for the next chapter, and not an ending.
 
 
SiliconDream
03:39 / 07.01.07
If the Unknown Superman disguise is to avoid a Superman - Superboy paradox, then why there isn't a Superman - Golden Superman paradox?

I'd imagine that between his anticipation of impending death, natural modesty (remember mainstream Kal's amazement when he heard he was alive in the 853rd century?) and power of Super-Obliviousness, there was no need for a disguise. Superman simply couldn't imagine that he'd not only survive but end up the revered leader of a far-future squad of Supermen, who are after all each vastly wiser and more powerful than he is at present.

Even if, y'know, Our Leader's face looks exactly like his and he's being coy with the pronouns and talking about "what we will be" and all.
 
 
Spaniel
07:45 / 07.01.07
I think the last ish was a simply a hiatus.I'm pretty sure Lex escaping isn't intended to be an ending. That would be weird
 
 
Spaniel
07:49 / 07.01.07
The Unknown Superman question is obviously still up in the air. There is absolutely no room for certainty about his identity atthis juncture. Speculation is fun, sure, but we really don't have much to go on at this point, and even less to be arguing about.
 
 
Jamie Grant
08:57 / 07.01.07
Maybe Lex went quietly back up the stairs to his tidy wee cell to sit and scheme until best issue to escape? Who knows?

Guess there's little point in escaping in the middle of the Bizarro issues when he'll have to share the spotlight with a giant moron.
 
 
Triplets
09:10 / 07.01.07
If the Unknown Superman disguise is to avoid a Superman - Superboy paradox, then why there isn't a Superman - Golden Superman paradox?

Because... sigh... because our Superman doesn't have golden skin.
 
 
Triplets
13:26 / 07.01.07
You could argue that if another Unknown Superman appeared right after he's used the disguise he'd twig on pretty quick. Clark's not thick.
 
 
Mark Parsons
15:38 / 07.01.07
(Lex's niece ferrying Clark across an underground lake, with the line "Where to, Mister Kent?") really did seem like a set-up for the next chapter, and not an ending.

Exactly: I was expecting a Clark in the Underworld via Kirby & Cocteau for ish 6!

Maybe this semi-unresolved scenario will come back into play later.

The issue has only one drawback for me: it means that we've reached the halfway point! I shall miss this title when the next team takes over. GM & FQ's A*S has become all all time favorite.
 
 
Triplets
18:56 / 07.01.07
Also: Action Suit. Best term for glorified superjamas ever.
 
 
krakaboom
19:44 / 07.01.07
heres hoping that the march 14th ship date for #7 holds.

in the meantime...

allstareight

despite the pic's caption...#8?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:13 / 07.01.07
Possibly it's a panel from #7 rather than the cover to #8, although I look forward to seeing it in high quality. And from what I remember, the Bizarro Plague is supposed to be a two-parter. I really do hope we get that Bizarro JLA we were promised and I'm curious what JLA Grant will pick ... satellite era or cave era?

Odd points...why does Kal Kent try to stop Young Clark from fighting the Chronovore? They know that THIS MUST HAPPEN.

Instead of getting a Brainiac attack as someone wanted earlier, maybe the "descendents" vibe will continue and we'll get some Brainiac 5. And I love the Superman Squad's arrival in disguise like the old Legion adventures.

My only artistic complaint is that Quitely makes Superboy look too much like present-day All-Star Superman in a couple spots, especially when he gets his hands on the hyperpoon chain. Obviously he has to look more like a man than a boy based on where it falls in Superman's life, but he looked significantly older in some shots than others. But maybe that was the Chronovore.
 
 
Mug Chum
23:01 / 07.01.07
>>>>Also: Action Suit. Best term for glorified superjamas ever.

Don't know... When it's practically a second skin, I have to call in my book "euphemism for nudity". Or just a codename for latex S&M suit (as in, "Sweetie, which action suit I go with tonight?")

I just read it. Bittersweet has never been this sweet. This issue felt like the one with most covered distances (maybe it's just the natural feeling after a whole issue practically being entirely in jail, almost a One Scene).

- Loved that his friends know about Clark. It was a well-played no-no for "no one must know my secrets!" drama. Pete winking-and-sitting beside Clark with shirts-matching-drink as a old man frown on them was a huge visual laugh for me. Someone said earlier it wasn't very clear the man was aging fast, but I thought that was intentionally made for subtlety, the aging aged man concealed by the "ludic-heavenly young good ol' days" sort of soft-focus lighting (well played with the aging themes and nice visual rhyme with Lana's universe-saving flash -- a photograph of younger days that detected fast Chronos). Pretty perfect scene.

- Was Morrison the first in making teen AllStar-wearing Clark say "I have to hit the crapper" as an excuse to go into action? (made a visually comical finale to the entire scene -- even more if you don't read, just go for a "silenced pictures" feel)

- The oddity of the open-and-welcoming Pa Kent bringing three unnecessary men to his farm and home (of course, later "clarified" -- but even so. Just imagine what goes on in Ma Kent's mind...). It's just the perfect example of the distances Morrison achieves with so little, when you imagine that most people would assume that the bodybuilder with Kansas serial killer haircut (accompanied by other two "Carnivàle" extras) in the middle of the night was a Hades-psycho with delusions of grim reaper making his harvest. It's in just one panel-and-title so seedy downground with the mock-danger-alert and so high-grounds with fantasy.

Maybe it was one of the major intentional points of the issue, but I just wish we'd heard more from Pa Kent's arrangement. And when he found out who they really were, or if he knew all along, or if they revealed themselves from the beginning. "Calvin" seems stunned when Pa Kent calls him "Cal" (perhaps thinking he might have meant "Kal"; maybe Pa Kent actually did it intentionally, knowing his son's true name and seeing the resemblance between "Calvin" and Clark). And, of course, also wished Clark's expression wasn't covered by the bandages so we'd seen if there was any sign of "so you knew all along, huh?" after Pa Kent's question about his son's future (maybe he recognized his son's voice, and it was a veiled question meaning "Are things good?" -- showing concern without "embarrassing" Clark, or not going directly for some other reason). Just wanted to know what was behind Pa Kent's every words in the kitchen scene and in the field.

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I'm not so sure about not having any link to Clark's going-in/going-out on #5's vaginal last page (which I'm still a bit confused to what it means, since only recently I noticed that the borders of the page wasn't necessarily Lex's legs in a "suck it"/"pussy"/top-dog/moby-dick prison joke, since their boat is turned the other way, it appears). A*Super here is a mummy. Going back to the Fertility-Life motif (which many say it's the origin of all our myths, folklores and stories), that in #3 was right in our noses with Lois' own "belt buckle" (the eggs) and the day she is born.

Even the SolarGolden/SuperBuddah/GoldenTao/SolarHarmony/God at the end... He's the (individual's, generation's, humanity's, cosmo's) end of the journey, the morning sun-son, what spawns after all "the work put in". And like the end of the dead-mummy's journey, it ends as the rising sun. Like Clark said it, "it comes out all right in the end"/ "there's always a way". I don't see this as the first Ra reference in the series, Golden Superman's triply ambiguous "Ha" was a poke at the RisingSunGod after the undergroundJourneyCocoon now that, "at last", Superman takes off the bandages (and probably doesn't have to make too much effort to recognize his own face, so his question probably isn't quite in a honest "I asked because I really have no clue whatsoever" tone).

- The Eternal Flower was way too f*%$#@ good. At first, I thought, "does indestructible flowers bloom?" (somehow at the time I linked to Samson's line about "eternity is the limit" -- thinking that the line was a jab at Samson concerning the deadness of foreverness, as in "things don't grow and live in stagnated state of immortality/ eternity etc). But after seeing it symbolically growing from Pa Kent's grave, it was all good.

That was too good. I'll stop talking now.

I need a smoke.

And more from Lois.

(PS: please, just this one more. About futureSelves. SuperSolar Supercontext giving the flower to Superman was a too perfect contrast-parallel to MummySuper shaking hands with Young Clark with chill down his spine).

(PS2: in that #8's cover... is that Bizarro or is that George Reeves?)
 
 
■
23:31 / 07.01.07
"Where to, Mister Kent?"
You're going to die, what would be next on your list of things to do:
a) Find a way to fix a huge screw-up in your early life and see your dad before he dies;
b) Kick some as-yet-unknown miscreant's ass
c) Feed more suns?

Um.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:38 / 07.01.07
The oddity of the open-and-welcoming Pa Kent bringing three unnecessary men to his farm and home (of course, later "clarified" -- but even so. Just imagine what goes on in Ma Kent's mind...). It's just the perfect example of the distances Morrison achieves with so little, when you imagine that most people would assume that the bodybuilder with Kansas serial killer haircut (accompanied by other two "Carnivàle" extras) in the middle of the night was a Hades-psycho with delusions of grim reaper making his harvest. It's in just one panel-and-title so seedy downground with the mock-danger-alert and so high-grounds with fantasy.

Kal notes later that he's telepathic, so he may have "persuaded" Pa to let them stay. Or possibly Pa Kent's just a nice, nice man who wants to help a coupla strangers with some problems ("So you met in the war, right?"). The initial panel with Kalvin-Elder made me think of Lex, actually, and I almost thought it was a young Lex with his hair still attached. It's a very creepy panel, no matter how you look at it, with the "Funeral in Smallville" floating underneath it and the shadow drawn across Kal Kent's face.

I'm surprised we got no Superman-Blue or Superman-Red.

Just noticed something. "Why do you both have to act like I don't know who he is?" I didn't notice that before, that Clark probably knows that Lana knows (gawd, Superman's secret identity as tawdry teen soap...no, shit, wait, that's already happened), I initially misread it as her saying "we" and that adds so many more layers... I'd like to see Lana show up, grown-up, in Metropolis later in the series.

Will this actually extend past FQ & GM's alloted twelve issues with a different team? Seems a shame, seems like it should be its own complete unit.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:39 / 07.01.07
cube: (d) All of the above? He is three times as powerful right now.
 
 
■
23:51 / 07.01.07
Yeah, I thought it was Lex, too. Possibly a weakness of FQ's rendering of hard men, or p'raps not.
My point is that there is a very clear lead through from the end of the last ish to this. Lex knows he can escape, but he chooses not to, for whatever reason. Clark is given the option, recognises his choices and does the best thing he can. He may be more powerful, but what is more important?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:58 / 07.01.07
Good point about how the openendedness of #5 leads so perfectly into #6, even though we don't get to see Clark's initial meeting with the Squad.

The Calvin/Lex mix-up might reflect some subtle charater work, actually - Kal is much quicker to anger than Grown-Up Clark has shown himself to be, and he engages Young Clark far more aggressively. Grown-Up Clark has, as previously noted, been much cooler of temper (which makes his outbursts more potent, as when he screams at Lex in #5) and less prone to physical demonstrations - even in this issue, fighting the Chronovore, he seems so much more balanced.
 
 
John Octave
00:59 / 08.01.07
Odd points...why does Kal Kent try to stop Young Clark from fighting the Chronovore? They know that THIS MUST HAPPEN.

But perhaps it is written that they try to dissuade Clark even though it is no use, and so they have to do it anyway. Puppets of fate. The same reason that adult-Clark dresses up as the Unknown Superman...not because he thinks he has to, but because it's the way he remembers it happening.

Or maybe the Supermen, eternal optimists that they are, think they might have a shot at changing the past?

I didn't notice that before, that Clark probably knows that Lana knows

That idea is so satisfying. Pete says he doesn't want to talk about it, and neither does Clark, apparently. I like that his Superman secret is not a tragic weight that he must bear, but rather seems to be a moderate annoyance. It's so much easier to pretend your girlfriend doesn't know...
 
 
diz
09:21 / 08.01.07
I love that Lana thinks it's obvious, even though no one will talk about it with her, but Lois won't believe it even when he flat-out tells her.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:58 / 08.01.07
Nice, diz.

Is Lana's hair brown hair here, to evoke Lana on Smallville, and not the classic red? It seems brownish to me. Jamie? Did DC pressure you guys to make her not-a-redhead?

Yeah, "Calvin Elder" sure did look creepy when he first showed up...
 
 
andrewdrilon
17:10 / 08.01.07
i was floored by this issue. brilliant work. WOW. 0_0

and i'm still reeling from the fact that Grant spun it out of a single throwaway line in DC 1,000,000, where the 85th century Supes says:

"In my era, meetings like these are commonplace. Just two days ago, I fought the Chronovore with the Superman Squad--super-men from various eras who've banded together to defend the timestream."

Check it out. It's there in fine print.

Also, this issue made me cry. Best issue for me; I was recalling how my father died while reading this ish and it just brought me to tears. Wonderfully understated, emotional work.

And Jamie!!! Great work!!! Congrats to you guys!!!
 
 
Triplets
18:34 / 08.01.07
What if -*gasp*- anyone could be an Unknown Superman?


And, suddenly, a hundred Halloween costume ideas are drowned out by a stronger frequency.
 
 
Jamie Grant
19:27 / 08.01.07
Finderwolf,

I'm doing first 6 issues colour correx for the hardback. I'll ensure her brown hair dye is wasjed out and her red is showing again as she should be. Also will nail Clark's dropped jail pencil blue not yellow.

Anyone else spot anything you'd like c-ch-changed - please advise.

Thank you for your cooperation Cityzens.

-- Jamie
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:03 / 08.01.07
The red-to-brown shift may have resulted from the dimness of the diner...it seemed oddly dark in there for midday Smallville Soda-Pop Land.

Trying to think if this issue corresponds to any non-Herculean myths worth exploring but I'm coming up blank, although something might make itself known with the next read-through. The three Future Supermen were almost like oracles (or holy trinity; Kal = Son, Clark = Father, Klyx = Holy Spirit?) but there's something moving there that I can't quite get a hold on. Anyone else have any ideas? I enjoy doing the myth-anaylses on these comics.
 
 
The Falcon
20:41 / 08.01.07
I was defo going for the three as the wise men with knowledge of the boy's destiny, given the lead-up being about the miraculous arrival of the child. And praying.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:57 / 08.01.07
Jamie, is the plan for an initial hardcover of 6 issues or the complete 12 issues when it wraps?

i was thinking about this the other day, and decided that (if it's ready in time) I'm giving All-Star Superman hardcovers as christmas gifts next year. It's just the bestest.
 
  

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