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Triplets
18:42 / 03.02.07
I'm a Quitely/Parker 'shopper.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:41 / 04.02.07
#1-

Standard model S-shield, ghosted by the original redesign that Quitely made. While the redesign might be sweet, sticking with the "classic" (ie standardized) model makes sense from an intertextual point of view.

#2-

Fortress of Solitude door - glimpsed in the background of a initial two-page spread, the Silver Age door was always, as far as I recall, a big gold rectangle with a keyhole; not an S-shield done in gold.

Superman Robots - they have golden frames with red inlay, and red S-shields on the back of their blue capes. Traditionally the Superman robots were near-identical to Clark in costume and look rather than these more robotic versions. This reversal is particularly interesting given the presumed artistic error of the non-reversed Bizarro S-shield on the title spread pages.

Kal Kent's descending gold circles, glimpsed in the Time Telescope's hologram. S-shield as reduced to pure iconic information devoid of obvious meaning (An "S" pattern), cross-reference with the Legion's Interlac icons -- Element Lad's Interlac "E" is only a vaguely gun-like shape unless you know the significance of it.

The Unknown Superman's "?" mark, S is for Secret. Is the "S" the important part of the S-shield, or is the Shield shape - the invulnerable diamond pentagon - is the important element? Also, the upper portion of the ? is reminiscent of the classically reversed Bizarro shield and consequently suggests a possible Horrible Fate for the Unknown Superman, or a redemption for a future Bizarro.

#3-

Superwoman's S-amulet - broach, cape fastener, S-as-accessory - crossreference the fasteners for faux big-brother Mon-El and faux-foe Captain Marvel. This amulet-style S-shield reflects the idea that Superman's given Lois his "mantle" to wear for the day and reminds us of the "mantle" to be passed down to successive Supermen as demonstrated with the Time Telescope in #2. As exemplified on the cover, Superwoman's "S" follows the "two fishes" school of S-Shields and the emphasis on negative space as much as figure. Also, it foreshadows the Golden Super-Yin Prime's shield later in the series. Instead of emblazoning her chest which is significant to Superman's strength, possibly, Lois has hers just below her throat, signifying her super-power -- her voice. Could make a Kabbalistic Abyss reference as well...plus there's also phallic diamond entering more vaginal circle if you wanted to go there.

Atlas's Earth-Broach/Shield. Not strictly an S-Shield, but runs as a counterpoint to Superman's Sun God existence with Atlas as the grunty Malkuth chthonic sexy figure.

#4-

It might not seem like much, but the scorched desk "S" vandalism is Black Kryptonite Superman's S-shield, Superman reduced to infantile tagging that mostly just copies a pre-existing model rather than truly being creative. S-shield associated with destruction and immaturity, confusion, despair, existential crisis.

#5-

Damn the baboon! Because if you deleted Leopold you'd have an Issue without S-Shields as spoken of in the Gospel of Lex Luthor. If you can ignore the baboon you can almost acknowledge the issue's S-shield absence is significant especially when taken up against the plethora next issue...

#6-

Kal Kent -- looking much younger than his Time Telescope projection -- with the reductive three gold circles. This is significant because, as it's not recognizably an "S," Superboy doesn't quite make the connection with his own legacy.

Unknown Superman ?-shield -- reflects the cold chill Young Clark feels upon shaking his hand.

Klyzyzk Klzntplkz's five-dimensional shield - Like looking at an S-shield through a Kaleidoscope, possibly, and suggesting more of a full diamond shape rather than the typcal pentagon. Busy and not classic which reflects the Super-Mite tendency to use gimmicks like the Hyperpoon and stray from the classic colour scheme with the purple derby.

Superwoman of the Future - she does look, costume wise, like the original Superwoman doesn't she? Kristin Wells? S-shield pentagon style but following the two-fishes rule as exemplified by Miss Lane.

Super-Yin Prime with his Yin/Yang shield - only the barest elements remain and effectively grafts one icon (S-shield) to another (Yin-Yang) and demonstrates Clark's eventual finding of serenity and transformation. The infector becomes infected with an outside idea after infecting Earth Culture for so long.

Superboy of the Future - Rare that it completely eliminates the gold completely without replacing it, at least, with Superman's blue; the triangle shape and the serifed S font suggests the much simpler, less streamlined Golden Age variants before the S-shield stabilized. The flexibility of the Superman Dynasty.
 
 
iamus
15:50 / 05.02.07
The unreversed Bizarro shield has now been added to the special "shield-alterations" list. A piece of paper so monsterous it has required the mass pulping of all the previous issues just to supply the requisite amount of paper.
 
 
Mug Chum
03:58 / 07.02.07
Funny, but I don't think I've seen mentioned here.

Quintum means (besides being a cool sounding word like "quantum") "fifth" in Latin, right?

Anyone seen anything that would call for that, played with that, or things that show that it will be played with that?

I came to the point of too close from paralleling each 12 labors to each "apostle" (Superman's relation to each) and Quintum being the fifth. But even I can sense the reek of bullshit on that one. And waaayyy too silly for making such similar and close details with Jesus, like Brian Synger did. The initiating-from-blessed-future midwives "three wise kings" from #6 is something more likely, not so much "in your face" and more about appropriate and coherent usage in similarity in "structure" and primal motifs than just copy-paste.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:11 / 07.02.07
The initiating-from-blessed-future midwives "three wise kings" from #6 is something more likely, not so much "in your face" and more about appropriate and coherent usage in similarity in "structure" and primal motifs than just copy-paste.

Smallville as the manger and Clark's birth into manhood. Or, you know, supermanhood? "Initiating-from-blessed-future" is a beautiful hyphenation, Sparrow.
 
 
Mario
13:38 / 07.02.07
Quintum... harbinger of the Fifth World? We know Grant has used the "humanity as successor to the New Gods" idea before.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:19 / 07.02.07
I wonder if that was choreographed like that. What with all of Superman's talk about a time when some man or woman in the future can pick up his dwarf star key and enter into the Fortress. Don't know that they'll come out and say "Fifth World" but it's an interesting resonance with all the talk or legacies, dynasties, and evolution...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
09:29 / 08.02.07
or harbinger of the 5th... Dimension?

i only know one thing: 12 issues are not enough, me fellow ASS-people.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
07:52 / 09.02.07


The final design for a "doomsday" vault that will house seeds from all known varieties of food crops has been unveiled by the Norwegian government.


will it be opened by a giant key?
 
 
Spaniel
08:40 / 09.02.07
I'm not sure what that has to do with Superman, but it sure is depressing.
 
 
Triplets
12:20 / 09.02.07
Dude, governments have been building things like that for years. Look at the var. undercities around the world to "preserve" teh governments for the future.
 
 
Mug Chum
09:54 / 21.02.07
A friend of mine was reading some of my ASS issues (no! no! not that sort -- I KNOW it's too big). It's nice when non-readers go at it, it's like a fresh smell of perfume on a unaware psychic gym locker this medium can be sometimes.

She pointed out some things, but four of them caught my eye 'cause she confirmed some ideas I had but were too shy (or maybe just too stupid) to let themselves out.

a) Kitty Grant's "huge" line on the Daily Planet had a strong man with a too-conveniently covered package (she went, "well at least the writers know it's all about cocks").

b) This one I didn't caught before, but I was sort of left speechless and with no excuses and reasons behind it. At the panel where Clark goes "working on my suntan, chief" juxtaposed with the little black child, she was appalled as she read it as some sort of ill-attempt for a "race joke". I really had no comeback. Afterwards I thought it was a clumsy-Clark moment on a meta level, but yeah... I can sense my own bullshit.

c) In #3, the transition from Orally Lois to Krull. She was pretty much wide-eyed by the cover and the first page and it's sexual innuendos on a Superman comic. Well, that's a given, I think; it was pretty much in-your-face. But what she pointed out -- and pretty much confirmed that was Morrison's intention in my mind, having thought of it before -- that the transition was a clever satire-of-form-and-subject/ mock-transition on a playful tone to a 'kill bill' monstruous revengeful-Kali Lois from #2 and #3's first page. She went, "Holy shit! She 'unwraps' the guy, 'drinks his power' and becomes THIS?!".
(Makes sense, with the rest of the issue, Lois' treatment, Krull in Superman's steamy position from Action (ahem) Comics #1, and with Mardi Grass necklace beads (notice as well the overall necklace motif) and that he will "eat your chill-drunn" (and Samson offers something for him to chew -- again, ahem -- but I like how I can go through it as "eat your chill", since I can only like the guy through the perspective that he's Superzen)). I'll borrow #3 to another friend of mine. Don't ask me why yet, but I have a feeling this Lois likes gay porn.

d) Same as above, about the clever mock-transition/ suggestion, but on Tranny Jimmy as Lucy, (and me being the obsessive f*&%#, was thinking of it's implications on meta levels -- I think I've mentioned this one here before. I'll try to find it later -- but from memory: We open the issue, Lucy has her own reading material opened and it's all Psycho from here on... well, I try to elaborate more afterwards).

I really do think Morrison makes it all in tongue-in-cheek but with courage to play it serious (no stagnation in irony or nostalgia). It comes from such a healthy and humorous balanced perspective that I doubt that he doesn't at least talk through with his wife about it -- and then she comes up with lots of material (maybe even the better ones -- "he tackles a dinosaur? Aw, you've GOT to make him come from behind saying 'I got something for you to chew right here!'").


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(changing a bit)
(I'm really starting to think Morrison meant 12 Labors more inclining in the sense of "to give birth", fertility and bringing life to things in a more vague and "solar-tao-tantrikaunion-spiritual" sense)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:23 / 21.02.07
At the panel where Clark goes "working on my suntan, chief" juxtaposed with the little black child, she was appalled as she read it as some sort of ill-attempt for a "race joke". I really had no comeback. Afterwards I thought it was a clumsy-Clark moment on a meta level, but yeah... I can sense my own bullshit.

I can really only maybe see this reading if you took te page entirely out of context; it's a fairly explicit 'Clark winking at the audience at the end of an adventure' one-liner -- "Working on my suntan, chief (I dove into the sun itself!)" The only joke I might tease out of the kid is how much of a cliche the moment is; there's always some kid or granny or mother with baby carriage stepping off the curb without looking and nearly getting mowed over except OUR HERO as there to stop it. I'd take the line more into the realm of "suntan" = "skin cancer" = "Kryptonian cellular apto-that-thing."

Good call on the Lois-as-Krull page transition, which links thematically with her behaviour in #2 and with Clark & Jimmy's transformations in #4...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:30 / 21.02.07
that was not a race joke, sheesh. I'm sorry, but there is such a thing as being too racially-sensitive to the point of making up reasons to be insulted.
 
 
Mug Chum
17:40 / 21.02.07
Damn Keith, you had to go with the cliche response (I know being sensible to such things is a cliche too, but face it like someone hasn't just spotted a booger on your nose at the dinner table and look at it: it's weird). Only thing left for you to do is call me a PC-nut faggot, and had said Michael Richards wasn't wrong or something.

I just said it was weird, out of context or not. Not intentionally a racist joke and that Grant and us, his readers, should be hanging upside down with a fork up the ass. Just maybe a clever racial joke. Why you have to act like you were put on the spotlight for this too many times before, man? Yeah, it makes me pissed sometimes too the way somebody can suddenly be labeled as a racist, but that's no reason for me to not spot anything like that anymore ever and label everybody as a whiny puny bitch or whatever.

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Didn't wish to drag this on. Just found it too-conveniently weird funny, and thought it could be seen as ha-ha funny. Considering this is a sort of twist on old days Superman (a character that used to tell you to "slap a jap") something like this was bound to come up even if in a remarkable approach. Could be a immensely clever joke straight from the types of Curb or Arrested Development, since it also has the clever hand to suggest mockingly through it's own media format things like "and then Lois became a man-eater, haha". But that's my take and I'll be quiet with it since people didn't like it.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:52 / 21.02.07
Um...sorry, I certainly didn't intend to be insulting, but I really do think that is reading a bit too much into it. I thought the reading of Clark's response was fairly straightforward, being a joke about spending time in the sun. I apologize if my response was glib or condescending.
 
 
Mug Chum
19:01 / 21.02.07
Well sorry for taking it so personal.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:07 / 21.02.07
The "Slap a J--" era is more the Golden Age, Sparrow; the WW2 Superman rather than the Silver Age one Morrison seems focused on with this series. The little kid in question might be more interesting because the era GM's tapping was fairly white-washed (until the Seventies, I -think- with Lois turning into a black woman that one time, et al), so it is worth looking at.
 
 
Mug Chum
10:43 / 27.02.07
I won't speak the word Haiku beyond this point (fucker saw everything coming, eh?)

Teen-Sups shakes mummy-man's hand and finds an eerie suspicion about him (don't mistrust thy neighbor, Clark). I first thought it was a play on future potential (or the lack of, a undesired/ miserable/ fear of future motif), but it seems to play on something else. That whole talk of "We look at each other's faces and it's only God looking at his own face discovering himself", all that Supercontext jive etc. We're all united, all in the "5D" "Unified Field" -- Consubstantiation and Transubstantiation -- when you pair up the parallel-symmetric scenes: (a future self that gives the chills) "VS" (a future self that gives eternal mystical-heart golden-god blooming-'lance' chakra-rose).

That gives a new dimension to the meeting between Present-Sups and FutureSups-Supercontext-God-Tao-Future-GoldenBuddah-SolarOsirisHa. Present-Sups is kinda aware, and know-all-Sups is "in on the joke" (either 'cause he's all-knowing 5D/xD, or 'cause he remembers his own past comment or past situation, or just picked up on Present-Sups' tone -- I truly think there's a sneer or irony in that question from Superman). I believe there's more meta in it, mostly around Chronovore and our little Imp that I can't fully trace.

Isn't great that a fun boom-zang-yaowza! comic book is planting these things in my head? "Love thy neighbor. It's thy future self."

It's like The Invisibles all over again, but I'm being able to catch it on it's "(a)live" running fever. Suddenly, Pa Kent's "ghost" became solid as a rock and he's very much alive. No death, no brooding. An eternal flower.

I fuckin' looooove this comic.
 
 
ZF!
19:04 / 27.02.07
It is rather dishy, isn't it.
 
 
fish confusion errata
02:12 / 28.02.07
I know nothing about Superman. I'm reading this because it's Grant and Quitely. So my question is, should I know who all these people are? I'm think specifically of the Moebius-style colourful scientist and his green-haired assistant. And surely Superman has revealed his secret identity to Lois already?
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
02:16 / 28.02.07
The scientist & assistant are new in A*S; and since the book is off-continuity (or rather, it has it's own continuity), Lois doesn't know that Clark is Superman 'till the end of A*S #1.
 
 
Mug Chum
02:37 / 28.02.07
Pretty much all I knew about Superman was from vague recollections from the Superman film from the seventies that I hated, pop culture, some Seinfeld jokes and those sites that took panels out of their context (or that just showed how weird and unintentionally funny comics were, "Superdickery" and blogs etc). Hasn't stopped me from loving the series so far.

But it gives an extra "help" to have a vague notion of the character (and his writing, or iconic status) in terms of his past, I guess. It gives context to some moments (more of an extra flair, even though at my first readings I didn't felt like anything was missing) and makes some of the jokes funnier in my book (or, for instance, #2 makes more sense if you see all those covers from the past where Superman is a major asshole -- even though the inside of the story tells you some of the things he did to Lois); or #4 gets a bonus when you know a bit about Superman's death in the 90's (or how superheroes comics 'evolved') and it's contrast with the old times' cheesy corny excessive friendship between Sups and Jimmy.

It gives an extra flavor, but the issues stand up perfectly by themselves (personally, I just started looking a bit about Sups' past by issue 5).

If you're in it because of Morrison and Quitely, you'll love it. It's Flex Mentallo taken into the next logical step, IMHO.
 
 
fish confusion errata
02:02 / 02.03.07

If you're in it because of Morrison and Quitely, you'll love it. It's Flex Mentallo taken into the next logical step, IMHO.


I can't help feeling that I'd enjoy it better if I knew more about Superman's history, but looking at it from the perspective of Flex Metallo is a really good idea.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:24 / 02.03.07
I can't help feeling that I'd enjoy it better if I knew more about Superman's history, but looking at it from the perspective of Flex Metallo is a really good idea.

Think of it as an opportunity to explore Superman more - the bare essentials of what you need to know are contained in the series, and the very first page of the first issue encapsulates what Superman "is." Beyond that, it's drawing primarily on the Fifties/Sixties comics, many of which are now available as black-and-white SHOWCASE reprints for a couple bucks each. What to get an extra layer of significance for #4? Read the Jimmy Olsen reprints in the SUPERMAN FAMILY showcase, and then track down a copy of the Death of Superman - preferably from a library or something because it's tainted with NINETIES.

But, yeah, maybe we should talk about FLEX and how they relate?
 
 
Mug Chum
16:02 / 15.03.07
...and back again.

Tiny thing, really. I've found, since my first reading, Pa Kent's super-openness towards the three (strange as hell) strangers to be quite weird. Then I caught a soundbite from Kal Kent, "Your Super-Familiar here..." (/"you're super-familiar here..."); I know Morrison was pandering towards our geekyness in D&D flavor for more acceptance towards Krypto, but it wasn't the first time I caught a funny-odd more-than-one-meaning sentence in the series (from memory, there's Lex's "Critical Mass" while being a ruthless messy room; and being at a conjucture point -- a critical mass, a climax -- towards the spring of our Blue Jesus -- a ritual Mass. I remember there were a few others, but that were mainly more about decontextualized bits that defined the whole, or pinched on a subtext etc).
Anyone else caught these or other potentially ambiguous soundbites?
(I'm basically a Finnegans Wake and Arrested Development junkie -- I heart pertinent-wordplay consumption)

And on another note, I know Jimmy has been used before for jokes on his super-proximity with Supes, his overall demeanor and their relationship (and I read much of #4 as being a take on that as well), but having read this other thing on a site, was Mxyzptlk supposed to be a "flamer" as well in the past?
(I ask 'cause seeing much of psychosexuality being present in the series, I didn't caught any suggestion whatsoever around the new Imp in #6)
 
 
Triplets
16:22 / 15.03.07
Mate, I think you're stretching.

Especially here, Then I caught a soundbite from Kal Kent, "Your Super-Familiar here..." (/"you're super-familiar here...");

I think Kal did just mean 'you have a super-familiar' as in the magical companion.

With regards to Pa's super-openess (love the term) well, 1. judging from his chat with the Unknown Superman it seems the three Supermen of Tomorrow have completely filled him in on what's going on ("it all turns out right in the end"), 2. possibly using Kal's telepathy to speed up the process and 3. Pa's just a super-nice guy.

It's all in there. No stretching required.
 
 
Mug Chum
16:39 / 15.03.07
Yeah, I thought the Super-Familiar bit was reaching in my interpretation, but thought someone else could see something I didn't.

I loved Pa Kent's openness 'cause it just showed him as the coolest and sweetest guy on earth, and 'cause basically it's a major (if not THE major) motif in the whole series (and in the issue in particular, showing a more immature Clark being suspicious and fearful of the future and of the Other; and the parallels between meeting a creepy and golden future self etc).

But I still thought it was strange. I imagined there was some unseen talk, but I liked to imagine more that Pa Kent was smart enough to catch something was up and it was something about his own son (and even recognized his older son by his own wit afterwards -- or didn't, I really can't tell which one I'd like it better).
 
 
Sniv
21:21 / 15.03.07
Re: Super-familiars - there is precidence for this term in the DCU as well, in the DC 1,000,000 80-Page Giant there is a story about the Legion of Executive Familiars, so Kal would be used to calling super-pets by this in his timeline.

It's a fun story too, it's about a mouse who can replicate itself infinitely, trying to join the LEF. One of Krypto's descendants was the leader of the Legion.
 
 
Mug Chum
21:56 / 15.03.07
DC One Million is Morrison's as well, right?

I can imagine that, beyond massaging the reader's potential "Dungeons&Dragons/ LOTR" tickle spot giving the "familiar" spin, he goes for it as well in the realm of empathy with all life, perhaps; sort of shamanic-CastaƱeda "become/see through it's eyes" type of thing (I haven't read the entire Animal-Man run, but I can imagine many bits goes toward that direction too, since it has all the animal rights angles, Buddy's powers etc. And there's also that Invisibles' scene).

And just realized, the moon at the beginning... that's a "harvest moon", right? Full and yellow, right before the fall, and all those equinox things I'm totally unaware of...?
 
 
Triplets
02:26 / 16.03.07
Tbh, I just like the idea of #6 positing Ma and Pa Kent as the original Super-Parents / Super-Progenitors based on empathy and openess, regardless of super-heritage.
 
 
iamus
03:09 / 16.03.07
Yep. That's precisely why I love that issue, and this series so much.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:39 / 16.03.07
Going away for the weekend with the Accomplice, and will be bringing A*S with to peruse again for further thoughts, especially on the sixth. You know, on the off-chance they publish the next one in April like they say they will.

Actually, they have been pretty well on time, haven't they? Just with lots of space between. I just want me some Bizarro.

The weird vibe with Pa Kent and the Boys of Future probably has something to do the inherent creepiness of the title page for #6, where Kal Kent emerges, Luthor-like, as a silhouette illuminated from behind them and in front of him. The Ray Bradbury grinding toothiness of that page, with the talk about bringing in the harvest - and suddenly they're welcomed into the Kent farm. There's an unspoken feeling, creeping in initially (and ricocheting through Clark's comment about shaking the Unknown Superman's bandaged hand) that maybe something bad has happened to the Kents, between pages. But it's really just Pa and Ma being nice to folks.

Actually, if you think about it, Ma & Pa could have been inviting home homeless strangers all the time, snug in the understanding that if they're actually psychotic killers? Hell, just call out for their son and BAM! Problem solved. The dark side of Superboy.
 
 
Mug Chum
05:30 / 16.03.07
(in a Bizarro Jerry Seinfeld manner):
I love this board.
 
 
Spaniel
18:16 / 17.03.07


SEXXXXXXX

(This needs it's own thread in the mooted SBR forum)
 
  

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