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All-Star Superman

 
  

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PatrickMM
20:56 / 09.09.07
The CBR report on the con says that Grant is staying on, and will be writing those stories for different artists, which is great, though it's going to be pretty tough to find someone who can match Quitely.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:08 / 09.09.07
the verse at the start of 7S#0 was Scots too, wasn't it?

If you mean the stuff about Castle Revolving, no. That was from the Preiddau Annwn, a Welsh poem. As we know, lack of familiarity with Arthurian legend is pretty much what is wrong with comics readers today.

Looks like I missed an issue of this. What's the poem Quintum quotes?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:11 / 09.09.07
"A gulf o' glamor, gey grim" - we've not been able to scrap togethr any information beyond that. Recognize it? Refers to the Bizarro-Home's Underverse.
 
 
The Falcon
22:14 / 09.09.07
I think we're on about the Thomas the Rhymer, 'there's a third road', stuff which is Scots; the Unknown Boatman stuff.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:27 / 09.09.07
Ah, righty, I stand corrected. Ballad of True Thomas? Gotcha.

That snippet... hmm. It's not from Lyndsay's "Babel", is it?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:01 / 10.09.07
I'm not sure, CHaus. I'm googling at the moment, but it's hard to get a lock on any actual text by the poet--lots of academic stuff, but it seems to suggest that he wrote about the Tower of Babel in his "Dialog." Is that what you're referring to?

If I can't find anything tonight, I'll see if the library's got any hard copy stuff by him.
 
 
The Falcon
21:06 / 10.09.07
I'm now - possibly revealing my miserably limited range whilst doing so - swinging toward McGonagall, although disappointingly it's not 'The Tay Bridge Disaster', just because of an epiphany I had asleep on the bus home from work this evening, which is that he's really quite like Zibarro, inasmuch as it's not really the result of the writing that matters so much as the effort. It'd also be a kind of wonderful joke, if this were the case.
 
 
The Falcon
21:13 / 10.09.07
Hmm, the site's possibly not a complete accordance and there's really only so much a girl can take of William Topaz in a night, but the closest I can get is from 'Saving a Train':

"And fell into the seething and yawning gulf below,
Which filled the old woman's heart with woe."


This is completely my native poet/tragedian, btw, and you might be forgiven for wondering how often one can write verse about train disasters, etc. Quite a lot, apparently, is the answer.
 
 
The Falcon
21:48 / 10.09.07
Quitely interview, btw. Short.
 
 
andrewdrilon
14:19 / 11.09.07
Thanks, Falcon!
 
 
mephisto
22:00 / 11.09.07
Ya, thanks dude!
 
 
Mario
12:11 / 12.09.07
New Cover?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:04 / 12.09.07
Wow... weird.

DC has produced 2 action figures based on Quitely's All-Star Supes. The Superman doesn't really look like Quitely's art style, the Lois-as-Superman is a slight bit better. oh, and the Wonder Woman statue/figure shown is not remotely Quietly-related.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:53 / 12.09.07
Two pages too late, Mario.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:39 / 12.09.07
Krakaboom linked that cover a while back, Mario.

And those are some ugly toys--Lois "Superwoman" Lane looks as though she's had her neck broken. Ugh. And I'm a little disappointed that when I clicked over, it wasn't a copy of the Bizarro-Wonder Woman statue from the Unjustice League!

I know, perhaps, that it's a bit much to expect anything from an online comic publication's interview with an artist, but that interview with Quitely was pretty pointless. I have to say. He doesn't really communicate anything beyond the fact that he seems to feel his contribution to All-Star Superman is relatively small, and that there isn't much communication about the scripts during the process. Oh, and he doesn't like having to draw backgrounds. I would have appreciated some more in-depth questions about his process and such things, I think.
 
 
andrewdrilon
16:23 / 12.09.07
I quite liked the action figures, actually. I'll probably pick them up when they come out.

As for the Quitely interview, there are nicer ones HERE and HERE.
 
 
krakaboom
19:49 / 17.09.07


number ten!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:59 / 17.09.07
I'm sorry, I think I just wet myself...
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:39 / 17.09.07
Wow! Looks a lot like a final issue to me. Glad it isn't though.
 
 
Triplets
22:21 / 17.09.07
I've just had a pleasurable accident in my Action Jammies.
 
 
andrewdrilon
22:50 / 17.09.07
That cover's just beautiful.

Wonder what it means. The solicitation doesn't state any story details. Super-omnipresence?
 
 
The Falcon
23:00 / 17.09.07
For my part I'm "suffering" some kind of Stendhal Syndrome of feeling total awe; I'm no critic, but it really is a beauty, that one.

Hope it comes out just afore Xmas; what more could a young lad want, eh? Few things beat cracking open a new ASS.
 
 
Aertho
23:25 / 17.09.07
This is getting all a bit Bel Ami meets Titan Media in here. See you all in March or so... whenever the softcover comes out.
 
 
FinderWolf
00:55 / 18.09.07
wow.. yeah.

But, my first thought was, as someone else said here, WHAT DOES IT MMEEEAAAANN!!!

Quite the beatific smile on ol' Supes.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:03 / 18.09.07
That, my friends, looks like a Sun-God who has ascended past infancy (because, surely, even a Superman can evolve) and become a full-bodied solar deity -- after all, how many Earths can you fit inside a Su[perma]n? 333,000 -- according to a sexy cat by the name of James Olsen. Of course he's beatific, baby!

This is getting all a bit Bel Ami meets Titan Media in here.

"Getting all a bit?" It's been this way practically from day-one. Superman makes us feel special. He knows how to touch our special spots, man.

It does seem like a bit of a waste if it's not a final issue cover, but I'm left wondering at the State of the Union for the [hypothetical] comic in question -- is this just a pin-up cover like #1, or some expression of the story's contents? Is Superman destined to be bigger and harder* than Colossal Boy of the Legion, ending up like one of those Voyager Titans from P.R.O.J.E.C.T., an "anaerobic meganthrope?" Is he going to eat Solaris the Tyrant Sun like a evil monster chimichanga to be expelled in the typical way (which would, you know, open up a door to the Underverse and Zibarro's your uncle)? Or is just a pin-up to say: Superman is the man, and we're safe in his hands, baby?

Needless to say, it's time for Number Nine to come out with the Super-Bully from Krypton or P.R.O.J.E.C.T. or wherever, beating up Kal-El and stealing his milk money!

* - Sigh, sorry, can't get out of the Supersex Zone.
 
 
andrewdrilon
04:07 / 18.09.07
Baby Sun-Eater returns as Baby Universe! Or, uhh...something.

I think Quitely mentioned in one of the interviews that Grant had all the covers worked out already, so that he could concentrate on the 'finish' of each cover. If this is true, you guys think there's some kind of linear symbolism between all the ASS covers so far? Similar to the vol.3 covers of The Invisibles?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:23 / 18.09.07
Starting up in the clouds and then falling (being secretive/evil/upstaged) into the Underworlds of Prison, Death, and Bizarro-Home before rocketing back up to PEAK with #10's Sun God before floating back to a more comfortable medium? I don't think it quite works but I like that he's got to hit some heights before he resumes his normal intimacy with the Planet Earth.
 
 
Mug Chum
04:41 / 19.09.07
- Vishnu? Creating life-lotus-world from belly-button? Belly as father-sky (and heart-sunfishes as horizon's sun?)? "...the sustainer, abode, the refuge, and the most dear friend".
- Symbolically pregnant? (quite a Labor)
- Chaplin's Fuhrer?
- Planet eater? Planet crapper!? D=
- Solaris in the background? (Solaris, poking around the ideasphere of global warming of a vampire-dark sun? "I don't have to tell you how proud I am of all of you by sticking by the planet's integrity in its darkest hour" =D)

And will the title cut part of his (as)S crown/until his eyes? Reminds me of Sups protecting the kid in #7 from Bizarro's flames. I just love how Quitely makes the cape a more king-type thing!
[/raving spew]

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While drooling at the visuals the other day, it hit me that all that pink fire sacrifice bizarrely emulating the technician’s birthing death in #4, a sacrifice that created -- like Jor-El’s version, Le-Roj’s version and Zibarro’s version all happened while still being Christmas, no? What did poor Allie’s priest told her?

(ps: this is curious. According to wiki, the name Samson is derived from shemesh [=sun], “so that Samson bore the name of God, who is also ‘a sun and shield’” or meaning “of the sun, perhaps proclaiming he was radiant and mighty, or [One who] Serves [God]". I always liked how Samson’s visually ambiguous first presentation with Krull’s S-tail is followed by a focus on Sup’s S on his chest and forehead – just was never really sure what it mean’t other than the face value)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:17 / 19.09.07
"...you are the sun/ it's where you're from/ and where I'm going to...you walk with the heat turned off/ and a fire in your eyes..." [Lamb]

Ziparrow: - Symbolically pregnant? (quite a Labor)

Old Man Zeus, shooting out kids left-right-and-center via parthenogenesis. Hera stuck birthing monsters. Quintum as Superman's bitter ex-lover?

(ps: this is curious. According to wiki, the name Samson is derived from shemesh [=sun], “so that Samson bore the name of God, who is also ‘a sun and shield’” or meaning “of the sun, perhaps proclaiming he was radiant and mighty, or [One who] Serves [God]". I always liked how Samson’s visually ambiguous first presentation with Krull’s S-tail is followed by a focus on Sup’s S on his chest and forehead – just was never really sure what it mean’t other than the face value)

Well, shit. Strongmen blessed from above who are foiled (constantly) by women. Only Superman and Lois have a relatively stable, functional relationship* in comparison to the tied to the pillars thing and Samson killing hundreds of people. And Lois is a crusading journalist under ideal circumstances** rather than one more iteration of the Eve/Pandora "women are monsters" paradigm.


*-Hahahahhahahhahahhahaha-stable, snort-hahhahah.

**-Look, honestly, the Silver Age wasn't good for anyone. Even if you ignore all the black people smeared with invisibility creme.
 
 
Mug Chum
12:05 / 19.09.07
I wouldn't call their past relationship exactly healthier (not for them, not for whoever was telling it and for whoever was consuming them). They had some sweet bits and some surprisingly “feminist” parts from the really low expectations I had when set out to read a few of the oldies. But they had tons of pure *rubs eyes* moments. One of the things I really liked in Morrison’s treatment since issue #1 (until #3) was the reversal and gags on the women-fearing motifs and subtexts of the Superman mythos (and superhero comics overall, really). Lois had many Delilah-like qualities and moments that screamed "a man (with issues) wrote this!". So it’s great the way the iffy misogyny undertones and elements are invoked (and one of its other faces, a Wolverine-sort of tragic-gloomy distance/ lack of unifying culmination) so they’re being poked fun in a ‘remix’ manner for screwed up zany screwball comedy effect on the most f&#%ed-up relationship ever ("hmm, it tickles"): Superdickery, comics' boys-club homosociality, Bluebeard, Eros & Psyche, Sharezade, Samson & Delilah, The Shining (really, how many times was he killing LL in those silver age covers?!)... their rugs all pulled out under their feet.

I remember a few of the first Lois Lane comic strips, and all were the same joke over and over: the Daily Planet crew saying something (sometimes immensely assholeish) and finishing with them storming out of a "raving mad" "emotional" "over-sensitive" “girly” furious Lois Lane's office (I even thought Krull's splash* was a gag on that “women: monsters succubus!” combined with Action Comics 1's cover with a scared twisted version of Grant Morrison on Krull's side).

*btw, does anyone know if that effect is used again anywhere in the series? Or in any other place? I really like that mock-transition thing, the comical play-suggestion of something going on that's not really happening but that actually speaks loads on a subject. The only places I can remember seeing something similar is a few bits in Arrested Development, and that Lord Of The Rings scene where Sam asks Gandalf not to turn him into a ghastly beast, and the next shot is Gandalf and Frodo with a supposedly Sam-turned-into-a-horse and Sam appears afterwards as if "no, no, I kid!" (I didn't realize there was anything there – I had read the first book at the time so I remembered what happened - but when my friend saw it she went "what an asshole, he turned him into a horse so Frodo can ride him!?"). I thought Jimmy's first panel in #4 was on that same narrative tool, as well as the resemblance of a flower in that one panel before-the-last in #8. I wish I knew the name of that effect or narrative tool or see it in other places...

PS: is it possible the last panel in #3 is framed in order to make his “S” into a mild suggestion of an “L”?

(jesus I can run my mouth off in this thread…)
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:01 / 19.09.07
another great cover, my favourite side by side #1's. Earth is something you have to cherish, and Supes knows that.

but maybe it's the bottled WORLD of Kandor. it'd make for yet another lesser-world story, though. so perhaps not.
 
 
Mug Chum
14:09 / 19.09.07
Hmm, doesn't seem like it. You can see South and North America.

But it'd seem fit for Superman to have a story called "Let My People Grow".
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:48 / 19.09.07
Oh, I know that the original Lois stuff was all terrible recriminations, revenge schemes, et cetera--hence the stars and "ideal circumstances" more pointing to what Lois could be and is more often written as these days.
 
 
Triplets
04:44 / 21.09.07
But it'd seem fit for Superman to have a story called "Let My People Grow".


Perfect.
 
 
Mug Chum
09:04 / 21.09.07
A issue with that title actually exists (Superman 338, google informs). It must be a more humourous issue.
 
  

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