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All-Star Superman

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:33 / 06.07.07
(Because, let's face it: I can not shut up. Especially about this comic. This is not exactly a secret, children)

'The Star-Spangled Banner' actually made more sense than it usually does.

The Bizarro Black-Hole-Spangled Banner is so beautiful and immediately reminded me of the Bizarro Dylan Thomas routine upthread. And Zibarro's lonesome writings as the imperfect duplicate of imperfect duplicates - poetry and strange, nonsensical language-use are all thematical in these two-parter. Being a lapsed poet, I love it!

Vis-a-vis: Superman Going Down as the overarching image. Well, shit. Of course the second act had to end with the Bizarros, because they reverse the trend and the very last image of the Man of Steel mumbling, orgasmically: "Yes. Yes. Yes." as he is fired UP THROUGH THE BIZARROSPHERE and into the oververse! There's nowhere to go but up from here, surely? SURELY?

BIZARROTROPOLIS!
 
 
andrewdrilon
05:43 / 06.07.07
And Zibarro's lonesome writings as the imperfect duplicate of imperfect duplicates - poetry and strange, nonsensical language-use are all thematical in these two-parter. Being a lapsed poet, I love it!

That's the part that almost made me cry. It just comes off as so honest and unabashedly heartfelt. Also coming in later, when Zibarro confesses to a dying Superman: "You know I want what you have--respect, love, a place to belong."

After which the betrayal we've been conditioned to expect is reversed as well--dramatic, unexpected, and weirdly Bizarroppropriate (or Bizarropropos? lol)
 
 
andrewdrilon
05:44 / 06.07.07
Vis-a-vis: Superman Going Down as the overarching image. Well, shit. Of course the second act had to end with the Bizarros, because they reverse the trend and the very last image of the Man of Steel mumbling, orgasmically: "Yes. Yes. Yes." as he is fired UP

Yeah, this is actually what I was thinking nearing the end of the comic--that panel in the middle of the Bizarro Anthem, tight close-up of powerless Superman with his face mere inches from the ground, blood trickling from his eyes and nose as he struggles to get up--the 'epitome' of rock-bottom: trapped in a septic tank under the universe with no one to help you but yourself (luckily, that's also Zibarro I feel.)

Actually, as a bit of intertext reading, this issue reminded me of The Filth #4 ("S**t Happens" I think) where the main character's trapped in a similar place where time moves so quickly the body seems to age at breakneck speed, whereas if consciousness and perception were adjusted to the time, it's as if the body's just slowed down to an excruciating snail's speed (proportional to Superman losing his powers, I feel.)

Surviving as a result of a compromise between oneself and one's situation ("surrender" as Supes put it in issue 3), learning to adjust to Bizarro-speak and finding a way to rise above by way of that technique--the climactic rocketship ascent becomes even more amazing; a greater feat than we've seen thus far in the series.
 
 
andrewdrilon
06:12 / 06.07.07
Towards the end of the run, Superman somehow defeats Solaris, who happens to be our sun, the victory darkens the Solar System.

Actually, I'm thinking if they're bringing in Solaris next issue--'the tyrant sun'--it may just represent Superman having to reclaim the skies after being trapped in a Bizarro underworld, as a sort of reclaiming-a-usurped-throne-while-I-was-away metaphor.

My wild theory: If the big issue of the series is Superman's impending death due to oversaturation of solar power, wouldn't this issue possibly have solved the problem already, given that the red light leeched Superman of his powers, and as he re-enters normal space, he'll just gradually go back to normal saturation levels?

If that's the case, then the next four issue would just need to be about misdirection from the problem--mostly a wham bam pow parade of crisis moments with little time for mortality introspection--leading up to a moment of epiphany that he's not dying and the previous fatal solar over-saturation may have just saved him from dying in this issue by extending his life-energies in a life-energy-draining situation.

Blah blah. Sorry, can't stop talking about this issue either, hehe. ASS happy vibes.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:24 / 06.07.07
I don't think Solaris will show till the end of the run. He's being signposted now, however, to build tension. And it was fucking scary, wasn't it? Bloody evil eye in the sun... And, whilst he may try to snuff our sun and replace it, it's doubtful he is our sun.

I LOLd a lot reading this one. Bizzaro Batman shot by his parents? Excellent. Get over that, Bruce, you prima donna.

That last panel was really moving. Really sad.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:50 / 06.07.07
Quite a headfucker of an issue this. Took the bizarro concept and ran with it. I read this a teensy bit drunk so may well need to read it again.
Favourite bit = the timely arrival of the Bizarro-Flash, from his introduction 8 or so pages earlier.
 
 
Automatic
08:58 / 06.07.07
So just to check, Zibarro doesn't have any of Superman's powers does he?

Seems to me that Zibarro's absolutely ineffective. He spend his entire life moping around writing poetry and dreaming of escaping. Then Superman shows up, and a short time later he's managed to convince the bizarros to build him a space-rocket and blasted off from the planet.

There's no reason Zibarro couldn't have done any of this as far as I can see.

And let's face it, his poetry probably isn't that great either, Superman was just using his supertact.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:01 / 06.07.07
He spend his entire life moping around writing poetry and dreaming of escaping

= Morrison?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:21 / 06.07.07
It's already mentioned but surely this has sorted out Superman's over-saturation problem, unless what happened in issue one stretched his capacity to absorb radiation further than he could actually contain it? Presumably if it were just a matter of using up power Quintim could make a supertreadmill and Supes could run on it and power a small city until the problem was solved.

Of course, from the foreshadowing in this issue it looks like Superman may have to go near the sun again, so even if he has temporarily dealt with the problem in this issue he may end up starting again if he has to go near the sun to kick Solaris inna nuts.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:25 / 06.07.07
Andrew: After which the betrayal we've been conditioned to expect is reversed as well--dramatic, unexpected, and weirdly Bizarroppropriate (or Bizarropropos? lol)

I love that there's that chunk of pages near the end, when Superman's beaten down by the red light, bleeding, and Zibarro's broken soul is so painfully obvious, that I spent nearly every panel thinking that the next one was going to be the big betrayal moment. The funny thing is, I think it did happen - Zibarro accidentally blows out the match when Superman calls him "friend." The betrayal is utterly unintentional, utterly Bizarro, and it's Zibarro's usual mix of despair and possibly elation. But I was on the edge of my seat through their whole exchange as Zibarro helps Superman up, and ties him to the rocket, even though he wants to leave and the Bizarros want him to leave.

Surviving as a result of a compromise between oneself and one's situation ("surrender" as Supes put it in issue 3), learning to adjust to Bizarro-speak and finding a way to rise above by way of that technique--the climactic rocketship ascent becomes even more amazing; a greater feat than we've seen thus far in the series.

According to Samson, "escaping the underverse" is one of his great feats, so it's interesting that his victory repeats the pattern from #3. This is another issue where Superman utterly fails to be super-violent (though there's incidental violence, of course, as Le-Roj is unburned in the unpyre) and throws no punches. He solves his problems with clear-headed, rational thinking even as his super-faculties begin to desert him - rational, creative thinking ("My trip to the sun didn't just triple my strength, Lois. It tripled my curiousity, my imagination, my creativity.") that isn't too full of itself to delve right into the Bizarro tongue and thinking to produce a result in an opposite world.

Flunchy: So just to check, Zibarro doesn't have any of Superman's powers does he? / Seems to me that Zibarro's absolutely ineffective. He spend his entire life moping around writing poetry and dreaming of escaping. Then Superman shows up, and a short time later he's managed to convince the bizarros to build him a space-rocket and blasted off from the planet. / There's no reason Zibarro couldn't have done any of this as far as I can see.

I think Zibarro's a better Bizarro than he thinks. I think he tried to be a better Bizarro than he was, and thus was - to us - a failure. He's this weird combination of normal Clark Kent (I like the idea of him as a Clark Kent more and more) and a Bizarro one, half-way between them. He suffers and flounces through life doing "indulging in the usual aimless, meaningless non-activity that they love," or trying to at least - for all his Emo protestations, Zibarro wants to be a bad boy for his father like every other little Bizarro, only he fails at that. You shouldn't really blame him for not succeeding in an attempt to get off the planet because even for someone who's a "flawed Bizarro" he's still sort of a Bizarro and he doesn't have Superman's powers, it seems, just his soul. But damaged. He was brought up in a social structure that held him down. I think the significance of the issue isn't that Zibarro is a screw-up because he never left Bizarro-Home, I think that it's that he had potential to be something more but had nothing to push him to take final steps or change his world because his philosophy was screwed up (neither Bizarro nor non-Bizarro). I thought the point of the issue was that Superman was the first person to call him "friend," and show him heroism, and inspire him to break out of his existing framework of despair.

And he does, yo. Zibarro does the impossible: in a world that despairs at the thought of heroism, has Anti-Heroes like the Unjustice League (sob, yes!), he picks up a broken man and straps him to a rocket instead of taking his place, he spares Superman pain on the Bizarro World even at the cost of his own briefly-glimpsed freedom. He accidentally blows out the match with the reversal of timing that Clark Kent might use to avert a potential disaster (blow out the dynamite fuse) because he's still a bit stuck. But Superman's been there and now will come the time for change. You can't fault Zibarro for having not been ready to be a Superman yet. But I'm thinking he might be about ready now.

Anyone know what poem Quintum is quoting? Adding to the "poetry" theme of the issue.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:29 / 06.07.07
"Le-Roj" : so very French!!


>> Thus, literally becoming All Star Superman.

Doesn't he come out of the sun at the end of DC ONE MILLION miniseries anyway? So this would line up... and he is a Solar God after all, mythologically speaking
 
 
The Falcon
15:01 / 06.07.07
Anyone know what poem Quintum is quoting? Adding to the "poetry" theme of the issue.

No, I tried googling it; it's obviously Scottish - 'gey' means 'very', not even sure if that's specifically E/NE Scots - so I think it's either McDiarmid or Burns. Because I don't know anyone else; the verse at the start of 7S#0 was Scots too, wasn't it?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:08 / 06.07.07
Hey, the Bizarro flag displayed during the singing of the "ancient Bizarro anthem" looks like the alternative history black power U.S. flag from Jim Crow's music video, back in The Invisibles, doesn't it?
 
 
The Falcon
16:14 / 06.07.07
Yeah, exactly, except facing the other way round; the Cuban flag is like an inverted US flag, too, more correctly it's exactly an inversion (red-blue) of Puerto Rico's.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:09 / 06.07.07
>> This is another issue where Superman utterly fails to be super-violent and throws no punches. He solves his problems with clear-headed, rational thinking even as his super-faculties begin to desert him - rational, creative thinking.

Cheers to that. I was noticing the same thing about Mozzer's Supes.
 
 
SiliconDream
17:17 / 06.07.07
There's the usual obsessions with the biota as single organism at play again and more light-hearted digs at the book's Batman counterpart but I can't, atm, get a handle on Zibarro, or Morrissey, as I prefer to call him. Is he supposed to be a counterpart of Clark, dressed in the working attire refashioned as supersuit, or Lex, the most intelligent and reviled native creature (particularly liked Le-Roj's 'No go' tears of detestation) on the planet?

I'm going with Clark. All-Star Lex doesn't seem to have much of the flawed heroism of his mainstream counterpart; he's petty, sadistic and consciously villainous.

I think Zibarro's not so much an anti-Superman as a low-grade duplicate--double negative, as Papers said. Instead of a god in a world of morally and intellectually inferior ordinary men, he's an ordinary man in a world of subhuman morons. He dresses like Clark, and takes on his job as a reporter, and that's good enough to be a superhero when everyone else is putting hams on their head and repeatedly walking into walls. But unlike Superman, he can never be an effective superhero, because he's not willing to meet his inferiors on their own ground. Superman has no problem with thinking and acting like a Bizarro when necessary; he's been descending to the level of ordinary humans for his whole life, and what's another step down? But Zibarro's too insecure about his innate superiority to do that.

Incidentally, I read Le-Roj's tearful "No Go!" as expressing protective love for Zibarro, not detestation--Z's narcissism and self-pity just won't let him see that. Cubeworld doesn't hate Z at all; it had Le-Roj try to help him be a happy idiot like the rest of the Bizarros, but since that failed, it really wants him to escape to a better world where he'll fit in. The rocket was intended for Zibarro all along. But by refusing to take it, he becomes the superior man who chooses to stay in the filth and work with his lessers...one step closer to Superman.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:43 / 06.07.07
Awesome stuff... need to reread. But I'm wondering now if this, second volume of ASS will be a string of To-Be-Continued stories. A direct contrast to the individual stand alone issues of VOL. 1.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:45 / 06.07.07
He dresses like Clark, and takes on his job as a reporter, and that's good enough to be a superhero when everyone else is putting hams on their head and repeatedly walking into walls.

You know, I'd completely failed to put two and two together with Zibarro's tragedy-hued story-making, Superman's desperate pleas for him to remain to tell the story, and Zibarro being a reporter.

AM BIZARRO has all been about Superman passing on his legacy in a small way, a micro-example of the macro-theme of legacy in the whole series. It's a small step, but Zibarro's taking it. Maybe he'll be invited to (sorry, "exiled from") joining the Unjustice League now.

That page of the Unjustice League ("like some fever dream") emerging from the frozen core of Bizarro-Home is so, so, so brilliant. The power nose-ring & thinking of everything! Bizarro-Flash's shining ear-stalks!

I like the idea that Le-Roj (Le Roi! The King!) was trying to urge Zibarro to go on to bigger and better things.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:39 / 06.07.07
>> and that's good enough to be a superhero when everyone else is putting hams on their head and repeatedly walking into walls.

great sentence.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:40 / 06.07.07
>> Bizarro Flash's shining ear-stalks!

I thought those were actually exposed wires that were crackling with electricity; a spoof on the yellow Speed Force lightning/speed effect that artists often drawn on our Flash's ear-tailfins.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:00 / 06.07.07
I thought those were actually exposed wires that were crackling with electricity; a spoof on the yellow Speed Force lightning/speed effect that artists often drawn on our Flash's ear-tailfins.

Oh, undoubtedly, but they're still cool as nothing else. Bizarro-Flash, in general, has a surreal hipness that was often withheld from regular Earth Barry Allen - check the blingness of his emblem-necklace, the gold Harlequin-diamonds a'running up those saucy power-walker's legs...
 
 
Mug Chum
21:38 / 06.07.07
gaww, last issue was my least favorite, but this one put it in context beautifully.

- Superman looks scary in that 1st preview page; it's the most "ugly-sketchy-dirty" I've seen from FQ, but pertinent in a story of a exhausted fever-dream Superman in a Wasteland Country of Shit to b(l)oom up Superman in fireworks, sacrifices and rockets.

Fuck, I can't even write decently. I think my mind went pop at the possibility of one of those Bizarro extras being sarcastic.

- Funny that a bizarro JLA (Underground-Sewer JLA) ended up being vaguely, by coincidence, conceptually the same as the one in Assbar. The ("satiric") self-consciousness of Miller in avoiding lunar high heights of imaginative flight reminds me of those scenes in Flex Mentallo (that begins with that amazing flight reference to go down-earth revealing to be just a vertigo "realistic" -- with a non-flying he-man -- airport and to finish later with a splash of flying colorful heroes to cement the comic's point) that talks about comics in the late-80's through 90's (Spiderman and heroes constantly going to sewers, Spawn, and all the grand guinol things -- even when something like Spiderman wasn't all that self-consciously "dark" while meddling in the seedy undergrounds of NY's sewers).

Loved the chains in Bizarro Flash's suit (power-walk, LOL!), that's just good design. What was the idea behind WW being a ulgy statue (with introverted "hands in pockets", loved it)? All it came to mind was maybe a playful reference to male-gaze (even a MJ statue) mixed with Medusa's petrifying stare ("she's a good team player").

- Lois was beautiful. How come we don't yet have a comic in the lines of "Lois Lane, Superman's Girlfriend", but with Lois the Journalist in futuristic Techno-Spy Thrillers (of course, in a world like A.S.S.')?

- Superman introduces ("invents") THE WHEEL!!! Ha! OMFG! You can imagine whoever invented the wheel was received like Zibarro is. Sup's way is rejected and he must find a way to convince them all that the symbolic wheel (his idea and plans -- or a "chakra:wheel") is a good idea, learning to talk in their language, find a way to connect, reaching out, empathize and find his way to push the right buttons, unlike Zibarro. SilliconDream said it better, "But Zibarro's too insecure about his innate superiority to do that. His poetry ("reports"), his self and will-desires, his views, expression and voice and his ways not finding the proper venue due to it. I'm betting that after this, he at least started writing in Bizarro-speak, even if only for a bit.

I like the idea of him (Zibarro) as a Clark Kent more and more

Yes, I went on that direction as well. He has the emo outsider, alien(ated), hamletinian qualities that Superman also has, but he's stuck on them. Lex is the extention of that taken to the extreme. I think of that as the fundamental difference between the idea of Superman and the entire X-men mythos. (I think I said it better earlier than I can now) "it plays around the unique-special X outcast-alien in contrast to what makes Superman super in Grant's eyes (the wheel scene), and at what point in that Zibarro strays and fails at it. He's whiny about his uniqueness as he regards himself above and outside the "inferior sheeple" bizarros -- maybe to contrast to Superman, that has a more self-inclusive empathetic nature despite of (or specially due to) his uniqueness (no matter what Bill said to Uma Thurman!). Something to play around the "of the people/ my people" (as he says in the end of the issue 7 to Bizarro) VS the "special unique missunderstood alien messiah outsider."
And I loved that at the end he comes to a realization that his alienation might have more something to do with him and a condition previous (and independent) to the enviroment and the not-self, very much like Joyce's portrait of the outsider artist and poet (and himself), Stephen Dedalus ("and no more turn aside and brood").

Hey, the Bizarro flag displayed during the singing of the "ancient Bizarro anthem" looks like the alternative history black power U.S. flag from Jim Crow's music video, back in The Invisibles, doesn't it?

How come they didn't launch this issue in the 4th of July?

The entire american hymn is pretty much a solar one, isn't it (the flag and the idea -- or "propaganda" -- of america is pretty much a appropriation of solar qualities, they even branded the moon -- and by that extent, humanity -- as them-as-the-IdealNormative-or-IdealNormative-as-them/theirs)? All the things about standing firmly and redly through the dark blue night to meet the hopeful bright white dawn of the sun ("the flag! The brand! We're home!") amongst the glimpse of hopeful rain of tiny stars. Superman himself is a walking american flag, where the white of the star is already fulfilled with the ascending warm sun (instead of only pure white that can turn cold), he's all about the shiny part of it. It's majesticly iconic and representative of this Big Idea that was a Big Idea before the brand America appropriated (but that hoppingly still, could represent it beautifully). Superman is to America basically, at step one, pretty much what the flag is to the hymn. And how he can be universal and human instead of regional, and how that universal-and-human dangers in falling back and reappropriated into an "teh imperialist" regional setting. This series has been an unbelieavable pop art deluxe (narrative and images feeding into the por art feeding into the narrative and images). I need to read it again. The entire thing was too much. How can someone pack so much in one thing?

- Is Superman in hymn scene Jesus carrying the cross (is his bleeding a bizarro reversal of what he stands, like the reverse hymn and flag and all? Doesn't the grim and gritty portrayals of Superman always have him bleeding and in that place)? His bleeding face close to the wood sparkled that in my mind somehow. Is Zibarro Simon of Cyrene?

- In addition to Le-Roj as SaturnXChronos, I thought he would, like Abraham (and God), sacrifice his Zibarro as the lamb. Maybe a intented reversal in the idea of elderly fearful preying of the young and the future comings. And why is there a bizarro minstrel blackface crowning him?

- And I love that the only brawl Superman has got himself into so far was in #7 (and still no punch-and-touch). This and the still-immature young Superboy fighting the overtly-militaristic Superman-from-the-future amidst dialogues like "you can't resist me!".

The rocket was intended for Zibarro all along. But by refusing to take it, he becomes the superior man who chooses to stay in the filth and work with his lessers...one step closer to Superman.

YES!!!

I need to read it again. That was batshit raving insane with too much going on (and you know when the old comics would have in one issue what today is a 50 issue epic, all that information and story packed into one thing? That's what Quitely and Jamie are doing, fucking A!).
 
 
Triplets
21:45 / 06.07.07
I think Bizarro-Flash has chains running up and down the legs of his action suit, he's anchored to the ground in the severest way possible.

Every post for #8 has been fantastic. Except this one, filled as it is with bizarremo sadness.
 
 
Triplets
21:48 / 06.07.07
What was the idea behind WW being a ulgy statue

Regular Wonder Woman started off as a clay statue animated by Greco god power. Bizarro Wonder Woman is a normal baby who turns into clay. She am good team player!
 
 
Triplets
21:56 / 06.07.07
To riff off of Chad/Cassandra in the Seven Soldiers threads, I think this Underverse story is retreading Grant's ideas of different levels of reality, with some being more potent than others. Bizarro-Home is on a lower rung of reality than Earth. Closer to the Underverse, closer to cosmic death and entropy; so all it's inhabitants are pale reflections of Metropolis. All idiots donning ham headwear.

What does Zibarro say about himself, that one in every five billion is flawed? People would say Kal is one in five billion. He's definitely a lower order Clark Kent but that last panel... Superman has given him divine gifts. Friendship, purpose, worth, hope. Sums up what Supes gives at his best. That last panel. Fucking hell. He's not moving but he's soaring.
 
 
The Falcon
22:00 / 06.07.07
How come they didn't launch this issue in the 4th of July?

Well, serendipitously, they did in, um... the Phillipines. Canada? "Is this... for us?" Yes. Yes, it is.
 
 
Mug Chum
22:09 / 06.07.07
Thanks Bad Touch and Der Falke.

(on another note, reading on Simon of Cyrene on wikipedia showed that he was either commanded by the romans to help Christ or he did it for sympathy -- I like the latter better, duh. And the gnostics say that he was mistakenly crucified in Jesus' place -- for me that's indeed what happened to Zibarro, he ascended by not going on that rocket and by "putting himself in his place". That boy is on that rocket!)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:58 / 06.07.07
Sparrow: In addition to Le-Roj as SaturnXChronos, I thought he would, like Abraham (and God), sacrifice his Zibarro as the lamb. Maybe a intented reversal in the idea of elderly fearful preying of the young and the future comings. And why is there a bizarro minstrel blackface crowning him?

I suspect that might be a sly reference to the Invisibles scene with Jim Crow and the reversed flag, which also all about an inversion of American history.

And I love that the only brawl Superman has got himself into so far was in #7 (and still no punch-and-touch). This and the still-immature young Superboy fighting the overtly-militaristic Superman-from-the-future amidst dialogues like "you can't resist me!"

I'd forgotten that he actually hit Super-Bizarro in #7 - even Superman can't be perfect, and I suppose it's to his credit that within ten pages he's making friends with Super-Bizarro and working together. As a team. So the series isn't a perfect no-hitter, damn. Superboy attacking Kal Kent is something else, it's an exploration of Clark's less evolved self (like his exposure to the Black K un-evolved him, like Super-Bizarro encouraged him to un-evolve -- the underverse is always going to go backwards unless he's there to edge it forwards, or encourage Zibarro to edge it forwards).

Bad Touch: Regular Wonder Woman started off as a clay statue animated by Greco god power. Bizarro Wonder Woman is a normal baby who turns into clay.

I remember thinking I was a bit sad that there was no Bizarro-J'onn J'onzz in the Unjustice League, but realized that the five Bizarros we see or hear about (Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash, and Green Lantern) are probably the "big five" of the DCU, although he could have thrown in Bizarro-Aquaman and made it the Big Six. Because Bizarro-Aquaman would have been gold! The Bizarro Diana sculpture was, in my opinion, a pretty inspired way of backwarding her origin.

Superman has given him divine gifts. Friendship, purpose, worth, hope. Sums up what Supes gives at his best. That last panel. Fucking hell. He's not moving but he's soaring.

Good old Superman, he's Christ and he's Prometheus in one. Gives his magic gifts of fire - inspiration! - to Zibarro and SHOCK! Gets tied to a rock(et) and subjected to vast pains. But, inverted the myth, being sacrificed is a good thing for him and he gets to be freed. So we've got Orpheus, Saturn/Jupiter, and Prometheus.
 
 
Mug Chum
23:18 / 06.07.07
I suspect that might be a sly reference to the Invisibles scene with Jim Crow and the reversed flag, which also all about an inversion of American history.

I also thought it was a sly reference to planet of the apes somehow, with the fallen statue of liberty behind them (and on the last page, it's mace looking like a doomsday dynamite of wasteland apocalypse -- soon to pop?). A Charles Heston's nightmare. Fallen in contrast with the icon in Heston’s nightmare where the statue is a cocoon representative of only the void-cocoon-word “America” instead of what was supposed to represent; So Le-Roj sacrificing himself instead of Saturn eating his children. I always saw the film as ironic in the sense that the statue was only symbolically destroyed because Heston was crying because of his understanding of how it was "destroyed" and "black people and all the degenerates" took the world (fear of change, the future, and the young); the idea of welcoming and inclusiveness and the guiding torch of liberty that -- like the flag in the hymn -- was the first sight of many immigrants like Superman, was replaced by a gift from the NRA and cries of fictional decadence of something that was a dream intented to stand for not what they think... it's supposed to be a Morning Star (sun and Jesus) instead of the weapon (Satan)... okay, too much off topic...

I'd forgotten that he actually hit Super-Bizarro

I'm still trying to figure out why was that (at least thematicly). It was locked in my mind that he really didn't fight Death in #1, he didn't go at Krull or the two bumbling idiots, his un-evolved 90's grim&gritty self brawling with Olsen, his need to stay far from the Parasite, his immature self fighting the future strangers, and then Bizarro. Fighting, even if not touching him (or else...).
 
 
Mug Chum
23:19 / 06.07.07
oh shit, sorry, I'll edit.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:45 / 06.07.07
I'm still trying to figure out why was that (at least thematicly). It was locked in my mind that he really didn't fight Death in #1, he didn't go at Krull or the two bumbling idiots, his un-evolved 90's grim&gritty self brawling with Olsen, his need to stay far from the Parasite, his immature self fighting the future strangers, and then Bizarro. Fighting, even if not touching him (or else...).

Bizarro & Black K both reflect reversed, backward attitudes of devolution rather than the overriding theme of non-violent change and legacy -- exposure to them slides him backward into violence and overwrought despair a la Superboy (who was, of course, fighting the future himself). It's not about fighting death, neccesarily - it's about fighting regression and old weaknesses.
 
 
Mug Chum
00:03 / 07.07.07
Bizarro & Black K both reflect reversed, backward attitudes of devolution rather than the overriding theme of non-violent change and legacy -- exposure to them slides him backward into violence and overwrought despair a la Superboy

I haz loves fow dhat interprestation. ^_^
 
 
Mug Chum
01:29 / 07.07.07
'cause I also just can't shut up about it.

I love the entire set-up in Quintum’s base, that minimalist colorful orgy and the techno-representation of Superman rising as a flower on a cup (or funil-vase) (and juxtaposed with "I know you were close", reminded me of that holy grail cover from The Invisibles and those "SOLVTIO PERFECTA" *, the holy grail of alchemic tantric union in the vase of the perfect world blooming flowers while shagging instead of war paintings like greek vases and the like -- and the image of a final shot of Superman orgasmically going “yes” just sprung all-accepting Molly Bloom in my head immediately).

And that last page was totally a reference to that Countdown poster, wasn't? Even if it's not, it's perfect commentary (and hopeful) in so many levels (and at the same time, perfectly narratively emo-ish wasteland-y).

* http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/7483/solutio.gif
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:55 / 07.07.07
And that last page was totally a reference to that Countdown poster, wasn't? Even if it's not, it's perfect commentary (and hopeful) in so many levels (and at the same time, perfectly narratively emo-ish wasteland-y).

Er, which Countdown poster? The shot of Superman looking down on the corpse of Lightray? Is there some other one you're thinking of? I'm not really seeing the connection, and I'm not sure what the meta-commentary would be, exactly. Specifics?
 
 
SiliconDream
04:32 / 07.07.07
Because Bizarro-Aquaman would have been gold!

A man whose power is to be commanded by fish?

"AM NO MUCH TOO BUSY TO PROTECT PRECIOUS GARBAGE IN BIZARRO MUSEUM! SALMON AM ALREADY ORDER ME NO HELP JUMP DOWN WATERFALL! ARCH-ENEMY AM WHITE STURGEON, HIM NEVER ASK ME FOR NOTHING, AM NO LEAVE ME UNEMPLOYED!"

Come to think of it, Bizarro Green Lantern should pretty much just be the Quiz.
 
  

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