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All-Star Superman

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:00 / 01.04.08
Snacky.

You know, I absolutely can not get over the "Earth-Q" panel of the sculptor working on the statue of Krishna (Is it Krishna? I had initially assumed Shiva, but I'd need to look for some photo reference). Quitely and Jamie are outstanding, and it clings to my brain as my favourite panel (Well, tied for first place with the Kandorian micro-doctors massaging Super White Blood Cells).
 
 
_Boboss
10:52 / 02.04.08
I’m reading Jones’ Men of Tomorrow book at the moment. Very enjoyable and informative, and, I couldn’t help but feel, though probably because I am currently immersed in it myself, that traces of it were all over this exceptional issue: Aside from the obvious Siegel moment, Kandor being described as an urban sink brought to mind Jones’ vivid evocation of Lower East Side Manhattan in the early c20th as the melting-pot that the superhero would leap from; and I felt there was something meta occurring in the Mecano Man sequence, where a damaged geek in a manga suit declares himself ‘the authentic man of tomorrow’. This could be a simple comment on the old notion of the aging fanboy hiding from the outdoors behind the superhero’s comfortable, tough-guy protection, or even a parental clip-round-the-ear to the new crop of ‘kicksplode’ writers (as I read the best neonerds are calling them), who have all the poses and references present and correct, but whose work somehow seems to lack heart, or a narrative focus wider than their own aspartame-powered internal monologue, leaping from what-would-be-cool-now to what-would-be-cool-next, with little thought of how the finished article might read to anyone else. (Casanova’s hit rate is approximately 50%, no matter how hard everyone wishes otherwise.)

[That last ramble seems unlikely actually, as this issue was no doubt conceived/written some time ago (possibly around the time Jones’ book came out…), so ignore me. Or is it still the case that dialogue is tweaked right up until the last minute, to better fit the finished art? Can iamus or Mr. J. Grant shed any light?]

I think a ‘What is man? Man is a bridge…’ style quote from Fred Nitz would have been more appropriate and tied well to the previous issue, and less expected, less Moore, but that is a nanoscopic quibble.

Can’t help but think Siegel’s deliberate ’Third time lucky’ bit is a Hermetic ref, given the Mirandola cameo, ‘thrice born’ and all that.

More seriously, I’m a bit worried at the implication that our poor, disease-ridden wee universe evolves into such a monster, who after much chaos and destruction spread, is eventually only to die unloved on a Tibetan plateau, licked in the head by mankind’s botched experiments in prometheanism. A very pessimistic view, very un-Morrison, and far away from the apparent message of this beautifully kind and reassuring issue, which I have no doubt will turn out to be the best mainstream book of the year.
 
 
Chew On Fat
12:01 / 02.04.08
Thrice born eh?

Like the Demi-God Cuchulainn of Irish myth? Another heroic version of the sun-god.

(Coinkydinkily, I read Adventures of Superman #100 this morning which explicitly depicts Superman and Steel working as incarnations of the Sun and Earth deities to bring a world to life and protect it from the trickster forces of anarchy - in this case the rebirth of the Fortress of Solitude as the last embodiment of all that Krypton was. The explicitness of the narration was a nice change of pace from the usual Bam! Pow! fare of the monthlies, but was a contrast to the A*S approach.

Not so concidently, I was late for work.)
 
 
CameronStewart
14:46 / 02.04.08
Or is it still the case that dialogue is tweaked right up until the last minute, to better fit the finished art?

The times I've worked with Grant, he writes the final dialogue after the artwork is complete. There's temporary dialogue in the script but when the artwork is done he goes back in and polishes it up to match the artwork. It's been suggested (by me among others) that the reason Morrison/Quitely collabs read so incredibly well is that Quitely's artwork provides the greatest inspiration to Grant when he's writing the final dialogue.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:50 / 02.04.08
Oh, just a funny side note, particularly for iamus to pass on - every Wednesday my artist buddies and I go to the comic store and then to lunch at a local restaurant to talk shop. Our regular waitress is a lovely lady from Glasgow, and last week she saw my copy of All-Star Superman and was asking about it. When I told her that the greatest Superman comic ever made (as I think it might be) was produced by three guys from Glasgow she was bowled over, and swelled with pride.
 
 
PatrickMM
05:21 / 06.04.08
It's the greatest Superman comic of all time. I finally read this yesterday and wow, it's just so brilliant. There's just so much in here, so many powerful moments: Regan on the building, Lois telling Superman to believe, Superman saving the kids, the pencilling of Superman in Earth-Q. If every comic was this good, this dense and satisfying, it'd be the most popular medium in the world.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:46 / 06.04.08
Yeah, it's one of those things that's pretty much objectively amazing. After putting it down, my general feeling was, 'That was so completely awesome, I'll slay anyone that tells me otherwise!', and then I went on the web... It wasn't just barbelith, it was everyone! Everyone loved it. And that's as it should be. Morrison at his best just makes all the others pale by comparison.
 
 
iamus
00:18 / 07.04.08
When I told her that the greatest Superman comic ever made (as I think it might be) was produced by three guys from Glasgow she was bowled over, and swelled with pride.

Oh, that's very cool! It gets similar reactions when I say so to anyone over here, but they tend to be tempered with the general Scottish pessimism. I'll pass that one on for sure.

As for the scripts, it's pretty much the same deal down this end. Dialogue is usually half-complete, with question marks over the finicky parts, like the big emotional turns and whatnot, so you don't get to see the complete comic until it rolls in through the door.
 
 
iamus
12:44 / 07.04.08
the reason Morrison/Quitely collabs read so incredibly well is that Quitely's artwork provides the greatest inspiration to Grant when he's writing the final dialogue.

Vin was immensely flattered by this and, in his own words, has offered to "gie ye a wee fiddle o yer boaby" in way of thanks. That's an offer you'd be mad to refuse, Quite Frankly.
 
 
CameronStewart
22:49 / 07.04.08
DEAL
 
 
neuepunk
00:06 / 08.04.08
If there wasn't a Superman, someone would have to invent one.

That's what I learned from this issue.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:53 / 08.04.08
Frank Quitely interview that I don't think anybody's mentioned yet.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
22:59 / 11.04.08
so my buddy Chico asked me if i could post here these impressions he had posted in his blog a while ago; it seems his barbelith membership was not approved or something got lost in the way, i dunno. he would like to know what you guys think.

So, i've been tripping a lot on All Star Superman. I think it has something different about it, something more. I tried to read every post of the thread of the forum and so for as i can see nobody talked about some of this stuff that i'm going to talk about now. In the first number of the ASS when the exploding man try to explode the Ray Bradbury he say something, a kind of manifesto:
- The purpose of my existence is to explode! You have no right to limit my ambitions, facist! No Right at all to stand in the ways of my self-realization!

and Superman:
- You misunderstand. I'm here to help you with that.

THAT'S exactly what Superman is. He inspires Lex to be the asshole that he is, inspire Lois to be better than the cynical journalist that she is. He give his special touch to everybody around him. Jimmy isn't the crappy pushed over guy, he is the best pal of the Superman. It's really nice to read this. And there's a lot of other great stuff.

There's a lot of things that i want to talk about but they are kind tripping and i want to see if somebody agrees:

1. As the series goes theres he breaks a lot the fourth wall. At the ASS#2, at page 9 Lois looks directly to the car at page 8. At page 12 i keep wondering that they are looking at us. The choose of the images as he arm wrestle Atlas and Samsom for Lois keep me thinking, it's kind of strange.

2. I'm still think about the Ultra-Sphynx: "Return what have been stolen AND pay the price."

3. I keep thinking that Altas and Samsom are Super-versions of Mr Lombard and Jimmy Olsen, competitors of Clark.

4. "Well... I guess there has to be one thing that I just cant help, Lois." It´s a lot of love. I love it.

5. At the page after the kiss on the moon, check this out: "You know... I do OTHER things. BESIDES being Superman" i think Superman is talking about sex. After it Lois seems to be doing a blowjob on him.

6. Daily Planet Globe = Barbelith

7. At the fourth issue, if you put the third page against the light and look to Jimmy's hand: "We can't go wrong". At the fourth page if you put the head of Quintum against the light you're going to notice a "holy light" (i dont know the name in english) in his head. I think that "Electrokind" that Quintum visits is actually our world.

8. "Okay, P.R.O.J.E.C.T.'S obivously an ACRONYM: Can anyone tell me what it STANDS for?" It's a tricky question, we are never gonna guess what it means but what it "stands for" is a better world. What do you stands for?

9. The Haiku i used Lennon, but it is not "right":

Imagine all the
people living
for today

9. "- Unlike YOU, our social roles are predetermined. It prevents CONFUSION.
- Wow! I can't decide who I am from one day to the next!"
So, Quintum's helper was not talking about Jimmy, but us. The whole series is like that. Jimmy with the Apocalypse gun that insists to get out of the fourth wall and at the end he look at us:
- And the gun's not for you superman.

10. "Feel what?"

11. At the fifth issue it is quite trip, but...
- "How about this pair of fat girls?
- I would call them girls..."
and if you notice the cover of issue #7... Lex Luthor seeing the future?

12. "I have friends in high places". I think he is talking about Quintum, not that they're friends, but Quintum happens to help Lex anyway. Clark pissed of with Lex is GREAT.

13. Issue #6. One of the best thing written to Superman. I am a little bit of a pessimist and can't think like "It all comes out right in the end." Sixth issue raised my expectations that is a very buddhist comic book. I don't know to point out exactly what is buddhist, except the flower of New Krypton.

This is it. What do you think?
 
 
The Natural Way
00:07 / 12.04.08
Not that I think blow jobs are bad or evil, but I think it's more likely Lois is just on a comedown.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:56 / 12.04.08
While I think a good case can be made for something psychosexual occuring on the first page -- wherein Lois consumes the exo-genes -- on a metaphorical but not literal level, I think that reading of the issue's end is really reaching it. Lois is coming down and they're presumably also literally post-coital, having consummated something on the moon...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:11 / 12.04.08
I came here wanting to talk about how good the last issue was, but I think I might come back later. It was awfully good, though.
 
 
Spaniel
10:19 / 12.04.08
Lol
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
16:25 / 12.04.08
go back one page, haus
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:28 / 12.04.08
Occasionally we have little digressions that emerge all weird-shaped from the heaviness of underspace, but they abate in time; though, to be honest, they often travel in shoals.

And yeah, I image-googled Krishna and that's definitely a Krishna statue being chiselled. Gorgeous.
 
 
s_kid
05:43 / 15.04.08
actually I think its depicting Ankor Wat in Cambodia;

also did anyone note the DC nation last week "Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely have more All Star Superman stories to tell beyond #12"

Nice one!!
 
 
Spaniel
12:34 / 15.04.08
That's already been noted. I think Grant's talked about his plans in interviews.

Superman vs Satan is on the cards, I believe.
 
 
Mug Chum
12:55 / 15.04.08
On the risk of coming off as ass-kissing (but if there ever was a more fit thread for that than this one...) I can't be the only one who'd like too see Haus' dissecting A*S, right?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
01:03 / 16.04.08
Umm... yeah, actually, I'd like to read that.
 
 
krakaboom
20:50 / 17.04.08
ALL-STARSUPERTALK
 
 
Mug Chum
21:41 / 17.04.08
Like music and the cowbell, comics can always use a little more Seaguy

Wow, I laughed and had an orgasm at the same time there. Parts II and III! Yeeeeee!

And I really wish now to do something that should have been done earlier: to thank the crazy guy who dressed as Superman and talked to Girgio all those years ago, providing that first Refined Spaceshamangod Lebowski inspiration. Thank you sir, the Sups abide.
 
 
The Natural Way
22:55 / 17.04.08
Morrison, this Barbelith speaking: YOU MUST DO WONDERWOMAN
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:53 / 18.04.08
A job for Mark Millar, surely?

See, he'd soon tay tell har whae to de wi' they yon shiteing 'nvisible plane'. Ys bampot.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:00 / 18.04.08
He'd cover her with his grim, scots coat.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:50 / 18.04.08
Wonder Woman could cure ol' Mark Millar, by virtues of truth and Amazon science. Which would be highly appropriate, seeing as she is the upside down of Mark Millar, you know? She'd save his world in her satin tights, fighting for his rights all the same.

Actually, now that I think about it, Grant's Superman has a lot in common with the platonic ideal of Wonder Woman, if only lacking the bondage.

Ah, to live in Kandor, "God's" smile quite visible in the glassy sky every morning, urging you on to work. I really want one of those glowing, Kryptonian tele-headbands.

Random detail -- I love the panel with Kal-El's shadow falling across the milky way in Qwewq. I hadn't noticed that until I looked at it under a brighter light.

Superman spends his last days cleaning up all those little duties, connecting with the people of his world, cleaning up after Bar-El and Lilo, helping people. Lex? Lex Luthor spends his last days on Death Row in petty defiance, sending Mechano-Man (a desperate old man) on "electronic goose chases." I keep forgetting how Lex's situation counterpoints Kal's, right now.

I don't even know how to deal with referring to Superman anymore. Clark? Kal? Superman? He puts himself into his own will. Sure, sure, it's all about maintaining his secret identity to protect his loved ones even unto his death (is Ma Kent alive at this point? Probably not, given that he hasn't visited her except via time-travel), but it's like there's that subconscious little sliver of himself that "there's always a way," as Lois says.

It's funny, Superman being almost maybe ready to give up on escaping his death, but telling Regan: "You're much stronger than you think you are." No shit, Kal. Take another look at the big, strong, empowered man in the Mirror of Truth.

"Almost completed my new costume." I want to see! Maybe the "S" is a certain yin-yang, two fish swimming together but never quite catching, like a certain Mister Kent and a certain Miss Lane? Wrought in sun-gold, perhaps?
 
 
The Natural Way
10:58 / 18.04.08
It is actaully painful waiting for the next issue. Hurry up, Frank!!
 
 
Triplets
12:30 / 18.04.08
My favourite bit of #10 (and there are a lot of contenders) is Superman staring into the cubed universe of Qwewq, like a sculptor visualising the statue inside the marble.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:21 / 18.04.08
That primal creative moment that prefigures all other creative moments on Earth-Q (Krishna, Nietzche, etc), including his own creation and his own creative act (as I would assume a man named Grant Morrison is born on Q and one days grows up to write a series of comics about Superman)...
 
 
Triplets
19:16 / 18.04.08
"He puts himself into his own will". Which makes me wonder. Is Superman going to die. Or is Superman going to die?

Let me unpack. Is Superman, the big action-suited hero going to check out altogether, no more Kal, no more Clark Kent or is he, somehow, going to jettison his excess solar energy (or whatever) leaving himself as an unpowered Clark? A fiction that will, ironically, outlive him?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:53 / 18.04.08
I still question the idea that Clark is a fiction, but yeah, that theory is definitely out there and waiting to maybe happen. That interview points to it-- when GM says that just a second Death of Superman story would be a bit too simple.

And, you know, then Lois and Clark can do more than hold hands every day when he slows down long enough to talk to her in between saving her from Lex's latest slam-bang and stopping the Bizarros from invading this week.

But: will Lois still love him without the cape?

Maybe he'll just be Clark Kent but let himself have his Superman posture.

Just as long as Jimmy Olsen gets to be dreamy.
 
 
The Natural Way
23:37 / 19.04.08
I really doubt that a disempowered Clark is the answer, for two reasons:

It's been done before, by Alan Moore, and Grant's definitely read Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?'.

It's too obvious.

However, if it is, I'm sure Grant'll pull it off with style.
 
  

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