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All-Star Superman

 
  

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andrewdrilon
08:41 / 21.06.07
I can't believe someone remembers Vartox! LOL

So is issue 9 when Solaris shows up? Or 'The Abominable Snowman' that Grant teased in his initial Newsarama interview? The Kandorians get out of the bottle! Earth's replacement Superman! Clark Kent's new superhero identity! There's so much that's already been mentioned that we haven't even seen, and so much that's already been explored in the first 7 issues.

I'm thinking, since all 12 issues link up into a big arc of a story, are we still at the 2nd act of the story or are we already in the 3rd act? I mean, assuming ASS operates on a somewhat classical story structure when viewed from a macro level?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:41 / 21.06.07
Andrew: So is issue 9 when Solaris shows up?

The build-up of Solaris that we've had so far suggests to me that ze's probably going to be really late in the run, like 11th Hour late. Wouldn't want to have a premature nova.

Or 'The Abominable Snowman' that Grant teased in his initial Newsarama interview?

Would be an interesting potential book-end to Krull, the Saurian Champion from Lois's turn as Superwoman.

The Kandorians get out of the bottle! Earth's replacement Superman! Clark Kent's new superhero identity!

For some reason, these three seem to lead through to each other, what with the Substitute Superman Squad (I seem to recall a Reality TV-like cover from the Silver Age, depicting Clark announcing that the Squad would be fighting each other for the right to replace him) of Kandor. And maybe he's just going down into Kandor to run around as Nightwing some more.

I'm thinking, since all 12 issues link up into a big arc of a story, are we still at the 2nd act of the story or are we already in the 3rd act? I mean, assuming ASS operates on a somewhat classical story structure when viewed from a macro level?

Well, the series splits evenly into three - 4 issues / 4 issues / 4 issues - so by that logic, yeah, we're into Act 2. Actually, Number Eight would be the end of the Bizarro Plague Saga and the end of Act 2. Do those issues all group together into miniature structures within their acts, though?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:22 / 29.06.07
Next Week, yez?

Hoping that Canada Day long weekend doesn't throw off the shipments, but we will survive, as we must.
 
 
Jamie Grant
20:19 / 02.07.07
Just got the comp box today (Monday 2nd July). Copies should be with you guys this week. The pain was worth it!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:02 / 03.07.07
YAY!

I mean, that sounds like it will be fodder for much meaningful discussion and symbiotic analysis.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:18 / 03.07.07
it's curious, though, as the shipping date for comics this week in the US is July 4th, a holiday... I suppose comic book stores are communists?!?!?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:42 / 03.07.07
Will comic shops be closed in the States tomorrow, or will the stat be carried over to a weekend?

I'm a bit ambivalent, because often shipping is delayed because of holidays - and in Canada, Monday was the stat for Canada Day - but this is not always the case. Which can be confusing. I may just call the shop in the morning and ask if they're expecting a shipment on time or on Thursday instead, save me some foot-walking.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:50 / 03.07.07
it appears that US comic stores will be closed tomorrow (wed, july 4th), and will be selling Supes on Thursday.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:16 / 03.07.07
Correct - New Comic Day in the US this week is Thursday, not Wed.
 
 
Triplets
23:15 / 03.07.07
So, when's it out in the Yuke?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:22 / 04.07.07
I love that our desire to read this comic and discuss it is being translated into tense, neurotic confusion over when it's actually coming out.
 
 
Mug Chum
03:01 / 04.07.07
Trying to drown my anxiety over the new issue, I've been reading the old thread on the comic and was with my jaw on the floor with the "Superman's eyes are googling at me and trying to anagram 'subtext' with me on the dreamy clouds and looking all queer and stuff!" comments. Fantastic WTFery material!

ps: Bizarro Bad Touch is the best name ever.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:27 / 04.07.07
Yeah, the sexy eyes fiasco is hilarious, primarily because Superman was totally giving me the eye, oh yeah, and I was giving it back. Because it's Superman. You know: super-hot.
 
 
Mug Chum
06:21 / 04.07.07
Yeah, you'd figure that if one's going by that particular criteria to defend a character from that sort of "missrepresentation", it wouldn't be the 20th century he-man boy-crush figure of worship (and I'm sure there's a issue somewhere that Jimmy looks at a Sups' portrait and picks on the artist, "I'll kill you bastard! Helloooo, my best-friend Superman is NOOOT gay like this!"... or wait... "don't let anyone see him like this!", "err dude it's only gay because you're naked, hugging him and screaming to let nobody see you two at it", "no, I'm sure he's giving me the flerty eyes and is all, like, not kicking ass gritty style!"... yup, that's pretty much how I'll be reading that scene from now on, me wanting it or not).

On another note, I just read that Chronovore was a time-monster in an old Dr Who episode, "The Time Monster"! But probably I'm the only one here who didn't know the reference (I should really start to watch that freaking show).
 
 
andrewdrilon
15:55 / 04.07.07
Papers: Thanks for answering--the Abominable Snowman thingee makes sense as a symmetrical bookend to Krull--and Solaris may actually be sooner than later--I'm excited about the Subsitute Supermen idea, hehe.

RE: The 3-act structure; I'm not sure if ASS follows it, but if it's going for a specifically 'timeless' Superman run then the 3 act structure seems to be a good way to go about it. Regardless, there's definitely an big big plot forming from all the smaller (big) plots in the series so far, and with the latest issue the background rising action seems to be...er...rising...

Speaking of which: IT'S HERE!!! Issue 8--"Us Do Opposite"

Great issue which truly feels like a classic Superman story; damn focused storytelling despite a huge amount of tantalizing ideas; wonderful pace-change from the last issue and I almost cried at page 14--I'm trying not to spoiler it in case I might for someone but--Who's read it?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:10 / 04.07.07
It gets here tomorrow. Commencing exile from thread until the package is acquired...
 
 
andrewdrilon
16:21 / 04.07.07
Hurry back!
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
05:54 / 05.07.07
So does anyone know if this is out today in the UK, or if the US holidays have extended their icy grip to hold the release date back a day for us as well? Just I don't know if I'll be able to get to a comic book store this weekend, so knocking off work early today to go and pick it up is looking quite appealing.
 
 
s_kid
09:42 / 05.07.07
it made it to NZ yesterday and I got it today; great concepts and damn fine art; and the colour!!! great work jamie!
 
 
iamus
10:11 / 05.07.07
Laugh?

I damn near shit myself!
 
 
Automatic
14:01 / 05.07.07
So if the 12 labours of Hercules parallels still hold..

Superman cleaning the Augean stables / Htrae by redirecting the river / bizarros?
 
 
Triplets
14:27 / 05.07.07
It's out today in the UK. Planet Forbidden are holding a copy which I'm going to pick up tomorrow. Me am can wait!
 
 
FinderWolf
14:33 / 05.07.07
YAAYY!!!! Just the brief glance at a preview page with the Bizarro Justice League made me SOOO HAPPY.
 
 
Triplets
18:27 / 05.07.07
I couldn't help looking at the preview.

Zibarro is the creepiest fatherfucker ever.
 
 
_Boboss
19:17 / 05.07.07
fucking link - fucking NOW!
 
 
_Boboss
19:18 / 05.07.07
it's okay i found it.
 
 
krakaboom
19:55 / 05.07.07
a nose ring! HA!
 
 
Triplets
20:24 / 05.07.07
So if the 12 labours of Hercules parallels still hold..

That's a nice interpretation, coloured with Orpheus dipping into the underworld.

Just read preview again. Me am no think Newsarama full of prats.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:53 / 05.07.07
Don't even touch it.
 
 
Automatic
21:59 / 05.07.07
OK guys, wild prediction time,

Towards the end of the run, Superman somehow defeats Solaris, who happens to be our sun, the victory darkens the Solar System. All the solar energy Superman's stored up erupts at once, and he becomes the new sun.

Thus, literally becoming All Star Superman.
 
 
The Falcon
22:58 / 05.07.07
Yeah, the Orpheus in the Underworld tip is hot for the second act throughout really. Going down in the guise of a man (possibly even being leeched to the point of being one at a juncture?) to the jail to visit the damned (although there's some structural crossover with the cast arrayal issues here, but it's - you know - the main baddie,) back into the past to relive the worst moment of his life (I think we have to assume that Clark's 'holiday' was spent in Smallville, c. 10 years ago, in bandages, if this was at all unclear, and although the issue's laden with kindly Southern Christianity, beginning with talk of prayers and ending in a church - graveyard, it's that heartbreaking look back that really evokes the myth for me) and obvs, c. now, slipping under the universe on opposite world.

It's all I can think of.

Well, I also think of the story Mark Millar tells (shoot me if I've already mentioned this inthread, plz) about an early meeting with the George where he was doing some kind of banishing ritual and speaking in Bizarro all day, generally upsetting the neighbours, etc. Which I find almost pathetically inspiring, really. It's my favourite comic-pro story evs.

Wasn't too sure about the ish at first, and certainly at this point it seems the two-parter hasn't been a patch on the two immediately preceding - it's funny stuff and disorienting, renegating every clause for sense makes a trying first read and possibly offers some insight to what went through double-M's tiny mind on that fateful day, but really could and probably should have been done in one, I feel. Never mind breaking the single issue story basis because Bizarros am diff'runt.

There's the usual obsessions with the biota as single organism at play again and more light-hearted digs at the book's Batman counterpart but I can't, atm, get a handle on Zibarro, or Morrissey, as I prefer to call him. Is he supposed to be a counterpart of Clark, dressed in the working attire refashioned as supersuit, or Lex, the most intelligent and reviled native creature (particularly liked Le-Roj's 'No go' tears of detestation) on the planet? Lex is also notable by his absence as Bizarro-home feeds on Superman's memories, creating Lois, Jimmy and Perry... things. So it's bothersome, but I doubt we've seen the last of him.

Perhaps he'll assist when Lex's 'friend in [a] high place...' creatd by 'tampering with the sun' appears. Perhaps.

The art also - and I'm giving this an out - had the scratchy problems of earlier; Superman's face got super-liney at times. Now, perhaps this was intended to reflect some sort of emaciation/desiccation effect as a result of the sunspectrum powerdrain, but it did look remarkably similar to earlier stuff with the blue line occasionally getting picked up a wee bit more than necessary (#3 and #6, by way of contrast, are utterly perfect jobs) - I don't want to be supercritical of Jamie, the colours were lovely and evocative as always, and I have only a rudimentary notion of the inks process and also no talents barring perhaps that of annoyance, but still. I felt it warranted mention, apparently.
 
 
The Falcon
23:03 / 05.07.07
All the solar energy Superman's stored up erupts at once, and he becomes the new sun.

Thus, literally becoming All Star Superman.


Outrageous! But also utterly conceivable, and would be very happy fecund clever ending.

You am probably wrong. Me hope not.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:53 / 05.07.07
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Well, I enjoyed it. I'll need to read the whole two-parter through, though. I like the oddly dim and dreary colour scheme that's played out across them.

Batman's presence being referenced but never seen is interesting. The Unjustice League of the Bizarro-Cube totally made the issue for me, particularly the groddiness of Bizarro-Green Lantern.

Quitely is indeed getting a bit sketchier with his linework, but I'm thinking that might be a push toward expressionism, at least for the moment.

Le-Roj! So cool. I'm happy to see that GM made Bizarro Jor-El and the League work so well.

Something tells me it's going to take Superman a while to reach Earth...

More later, duh. Still processing. This happened to come out the same day as The Many Transformations of Jimmy Olsen.

Thinking thoughts regarding who Zibarro is supposed to be a Bizarro of: Uhm, I thought he was supposed to be Bizarro's Bizarro. He is to Bizarro as Bizarro is to Superman. Double Negative - hence him having a passing resemblance and history relating to Superman. Alternatively: Superman and Lex, blended together?

Super-Bizarro not using the heat-breath so clearly shown on the cover and within the text mere pages before almost irked me, but there's something far more poetic about him picking up Superman's rocket and throwing him up toward the oververse...
 
 
The Falcon
00:06 / 06.07.07
Well, he does use it too early on Le-Roj's pyre. Superman could presumably have asked him to [not] do so again, but that was better. 'Hello and bad riddance', heh. 'The Star-Spangled Banner' actually made more sense than it usually does.

Alternatively: Superman and Lex, blended together?

That's kinda where I was going with my thinking, though more specifically Clark - there are a few lines of similarity/inversion with Superman, primarily being loved/despised and, literally, alienated but otherwise - well, I guess, Zibarro's superpower is to think better than everyone else - gosh, mind/body dualism of all the things, tackled in a Morrison comic, yeah; dunno if it's supposed to be spreading, judging by the 'no think so hard it hurts' to Bizarro-Superman/No.1?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:15 / 06.07.07
Super-Bizarro attributed his ability to think directly to Superman's coming into contact with him, so I suspect the intelligence is related to absorbing/mimicking Superman's flashy super-brain. He can think, but it's a horrible mockery of thought - refined and transformed in Zibarro.

Come to think of it, Bizarro Lex Luthor's absence might simply be because of the line: "Our home is afraid you'll hit it again, and is forming new Bizarros from your memory as a way of pacifying you." It understands in its way that Lex's presence - even Bizarroed - wouldn't pacify Superman.

S-Shield update: Bizarro's Reversed "S" again, and Zibarro's streamlined "Z" shield. Bizarro Jor-El's Saturn-shield.

Le-Roj's saturn-shield, by the way, suggests to me Saturn=Chronos, and Chronos's relationship with Zeus mirroring that of Le-Roj's relationship with Zibarro. Hatred and frustration, an attempt to get him out of the way...
 
  

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