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Mug Chum
21:31 / 17.08.07
Got the trade as a gift recently, and thought I should write here some of the differences I've (remembering) noticed.

- As Jimmy is about to fall in #4, he says "never refuse to kiss the queen of the gypsies!" instead of (IIRC) "never mess with".
- The "S" that Sups brand on Quintum's table now has a bit of smoke coming out from it, to prevent confusion I gather.
- Lex's "I've always liked you, Kent. You're humble, modest, uncoordinated: human."
- Lana's hair is red instead of brown (is it red originally?).
- The line "I always say it's the work you put in that you get back" is now coming from Clark instead of Pa Kent (that's not so much a small detail, since it's minutiae in the dynamics of the father and son moment -- and well, God's in the little things, no?).
- And the last page in #6 is now Krypto saying a 847 words monologue about life and death and the instability of the cosmos and the future while quoting passages of the "Proteus" chapter from Ulysses (no, I kid! He doesn't really quote anything. The dog can't read!).

I'm sure there are others I didn't noticed or others that were mostly corrective tiny ones (like Bizarro's "S" on the chessboard in #2, the colors of Lois' legs in the arm-wrestling scene etc).

And I'm also sure this is extremely anal and obsessively geeky about details, but... well, you know. I'm the ass that thinks that the fact that Jimmy throws Superman on a toy store or oranges on the floor are extremely symbolic and intentionally pertinent from the narrative speaking to us (for instance, the fall, bruised fruits, apples of the sun, Lois' references to vitamin C to Clark so he'd take better care of himself and his self-steem in the film, The Godfather's [and now, almost pop culture's] symbol of coming death etc).

I'm hoping a future trade of the entire thing put together will have some extras (scripts? ^_^) and comments from the creators (I hated The Ultimates, but those "dvd commentaries" thingy in the TP were a very nice touch). But it's an overall really nice treatment, the blown-up images, the little frames, and some good placement (thematicly, but probably accidental or just my usual reading too much into things) of those images.
 
 
The Falcon
21:48 / 17.08.07
I've been meaning to mention the oranges for ages, Sparrow. You are right about the oranges. I love you.

Note also: Bizarro comets smash up orange truck with smiley orange face on side in #7 as if they are somehow anti-orange.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:57 / 17.08.07
Sunkist being a brand of oranges, by happenstance. Clark Kent working on his tan...
 
 
The Falcon
22:03 / 17.08.07
Also, have you ever really looked at an orange? It's an orange-coloured sphere. Now, if you imagined a totally massive flaming one.

Well.
 
 
Mug Chum
22:21 / 17.08.07
Or it's possible we're just people that really like oranges and OJ and other obsessionable bits (and instead of 23s and 11s, we're sign-spotting symbols with overall solar resonance -- gallery of symbols that are really just spinning on the same one axis, "just actually one big monster") -- I'm sure there are other folks who were mindfucked-hooked by folds in characters' clothes (if I can do that with colors, I can imagine someone doing that, might be even healthier...). =D

But, you know, not that I think these doesn't hold any water. The exact opposite, me thinks. Just couldn't really be able to say why and explain myself properly.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:45 / 17.08.07
I think we just get a bit weird in the head during these long stretches between issues.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:07 / 18.08.07
Now that's just nonsense giant talking armadillo.
 
 
Mug Chum
09:15 / 18.08.07
Falke, I forgot to mention that I'd still be curious to hear about any further dwellings into why the oranges caught your attention earlier. Can't say I understand where you're coming from on the previous posts, but I'd sure like to.
(I mostly think these sort of things are just thrown bits to underscore certain narrative dialogues or thematic elements -- a more refined version of what a soundtrack can be used for, for instance)

It might be nonsense (and we're like Jim Carrey in that shitty 23 movie -- only with nonsense talks of suns instead of discordianism claptrap -- becoming a weird solar cult on a forum named after a cosmic space-placenta that hides on the dark side of the moon), but then maybe anything else remotely beyond what's a given on the basics of the actual pages * are also nonsense (which would make a big portion of the fun in this thread futile -- and definitely 99% of my posts -- which I don't think is the case concerning the big majority of the posters' contributions here, that I find incredibly fun and constructive).

* and even that could be source of much disagreement -- I recently read that A*S#2 was all about patriarchal fascism and that the writer is intending for Sups' characterization indeed to be a adult version of superdickery.

(well, that was a long post saying nothing at all, no?)
 
 
Spaniel
09:16 / 18.08.07
lol
 
 
Mug Chum
09:35 / 18.08.07
?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:37 / 18.08.07
!
 
 
Mug Chum
11:47 / 18.08.07
I guess that means "shut your pathetic fucking mouth, you despicable fucking idiot".

Ok, sure.
 
 
Spaniel
16:39 / 18.08.07
X-post. I was responding to Papers' assessment of our minds.
 
 
This Sunday
16:59 / 18.08.07
We need a new issue before this thread devolves into Jimmy slash, oranges, and my theoretical lecture on the four elements of Quitely (wind, water, geometry and weight). Which makes one wonder what'll happen when we run out of new issues.

If we ask real nice, think everybody could come back and do eleven more issues, counting down to a new number one?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:33 / 18.08.07
We could just start writing imaginary stories.

Eventually, this thread will give way to Jimmy slash, and the Batman thread will be filled with the plaintive undulations of Beryl "The Squire" Hutchinson and Timothy "Robin" Drake.

When exactly is Number Nine out? In case we need some sort of reality transfusion before then.
 
 
Triplets
21:28 / 18.08.07
I would give sex to see a (Beryl) Knight and Red Robin batfuture team-up.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:54 / 18.08.07
A Dame Ystina / Beryl-Squire team-up, surely, with Robin swinging in at the end? Teen Titans Brave & The Bold?
 
 
Spaniel
08:39 / 20.08.07
I'd like to see that team-up but only if it was written by a Morrison or a Waid.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:57 / 20.08.07
I'll get to work on cloning either of them.

And, All-Star Superman #9 is solicited for September 26th, so we've got a little over a month to gibber and scratch detailed back-issue analyses onto the walls of our cell before the nurse comes with the special comic-book-shaped medication to calm our nerves.
 
 
Triplets
16:08 / 20.08.07
lol
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:55 / 20.08.07
Mind the oranges, Marlon!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:56 / 20.08.07
Ah, D.R. & Quinch.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:32 / 29.08.07
Tangential to the topic but definitely connected, the first part of GEOFF!JOHNS! & Richard Donner's "Escape from Bizarro World" is out this week in Action Comics #855 - cover & art by Eric Powell of The Goon fame. I'm curious, given the presence of Bizarro-Home in All-Star Superman, if anyone picked it up today and what they thought.

Story-wise, well, I'm definitely preferring Busiek's work over in Superman to this. It took a lot of details either derived from or simply extrapolating from the same sources as GM's Bizarro-Home, but they were just slopped onto the page, it almost felt with haphazard glee. They make reference to Clark being a Bizarro Bizarro, which was almost cute. We are supposed to love this, I suspect, because it's Bizarro, and it's Silver Agey Bizarro World hijinks, but it doesn't feel loved, it just feels there, but not really living. Bizarro-Home had far more of an impact in one issue than this seems like it's going to have in two or three.

The crystal fortress lifting and talking-to-Jor-El bit stuck out like a sore thumb and they just don't feel like they fit, to me; though that may have something to do with Powell's drawing style just not fitting the scene.

Bizarro having a weird connection to Pa Kent in place of Kal's connection to Jor-El is interesting, but I can say I'll be terribly bothered to follow through and read the second part.

On the up-side, well, shit, Eric Powell's good. I'd like to see him do a Superman miniseries, maybe following up Quitely if they do indeed continue A*S on beyond its presumed twelve issues--he draws a Man of Steel very much in the vein of the old Fleischer cartoons and the Fifties comics, but fresher and with more dimension.
 
 
Jamie
21:59 / 29.08.07
I have to ask, where did the GEOFF!JOHNS! in-joke come from?
 
 
The Falcon
22:01 / 29.08.07
I think it's from a SomethingAwful photoshop of Hal Jordan like punching this dude in the face to the beat of Geoff!

Johns!

Lord knows every time I read some interminable bollocks with Infinity Inc./Steel in 52 I felt similarly.
 
 
Triplets
10:10 / 30.08.07
I feel guilty for putting this in Morrison's ASS but



Punch for those stars, Hal!
 
 
Professor Silly
16:18 / 30.08.07
Fairly hynotic, that.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:57 / 30.08.07
My thoughts pretty much echo Papers'. I did especially like that Clark is a Bizarro Bizarro. And it was fun to see the boring-looking blue Superman spaceship show up again. But ultimately, not much really happens in this issue other than he goes to the Bizarro World and there's a big fight. Big props to Eric Powell though, who I've always been a big fan of. Check out his GOON book for major laughs. Truly 'laugh out loud' stuff with brilliant art.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:11 / 02.09.07
Thanks, Triplets. I've been looking for that for AGES- I know Fly's posted it a couple of times, but I haven't managed to find where.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:25 / 02.09.07
Just re-read #8. So awesome.

Why does Quintnum have an instinct that Lois should know about Supes' impending death? Is it just the comic book cliche that 'everyone knows she's closes with Supes/has the hots for him,' or is it something more? Positive (Q. has amazing instinct/people reading abilities on a subconscious/psychic level?) or negative (Q. is part of a bad guy conspiracy, as some have speculated here)? Time will tell.

also, I guess Q. doesn't overhear Lois' whisper to herself, 'this is why Clark went on vacation after Clark interviewed Luthor on death row'. (if not, it's like the theatrical convention of an 'aside' that the other characters don't hear but tells us the speaker's inner thoughts) Or does he?

I stand by my theory that Supes will keep his word and that Zibarro will reappear in Grant's 12-issue arc. Superman is nothing if not a man of his word.

>> Anyone know what poem Quintum is quoting? Adding to the "poetry" theme of the issue.

No, I tried googling it; it's obviously Scottish - 'gey' means 'very', not even sure if that's specifically E/NE Scots - so I think it's either McDiarmid or Burns. Because I don't know anyone else; the verse at the start of 7S#0 was Scots too, wasn't it?

Did the original of this "old verse" ever get found?
 
 
FinderWolf
20:25 / 02.09.07
the 'origin' of the verse, I mean -- typing faster than I think here.
 
 
Eskay Uno
20:27 / 02.09.07
There was a big comic convention in Toronto over a week ago, where Frank Quitely made a rare appearance. I heard he mentioned that he still has more than 8 months worth of work on A*S. No mention on how many issues will come out in that time span, but if they stick to the original 12 issue plan I guess that means we'll be seeing it bi-monthly. Was anybody in attendance with more details to share?
 
 
The Falcon
22:10 / 02.09.07
Did the original of this "old verse" ever get found?

No, I even e-mailed the Scottish Poetry Library, who have been no help at all really. But they have tried.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:33 / 02.09.07
Thanks for that, Falke. I've had no luck in my divinings. It's a small detail, but with the recurring use of poetry in the series, it still sticks out.

What with teh connectors being closed, perhaps we should ask Jamie to communicate with the High Mozzle hirself about what the source material was?

#9's listed as October 10th, now.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:21 / 08.09.07
Dan DiDio at the recent Baltimore ComicCon, courtesy of Newsarama:

>> Grant Morrison’s storyline in All-Star Superman will run for 12 issues, and the series will then move into standalone stories with various artists after that.

Hmmm....does that mean with new writers or does that mean G. will write some more after the initial 12? (from what he's said, I expect Grant will leave after the 12 are done, but who knows...)
 
  

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