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All-Star Superman

 
  

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The Falcon
20:48 / 15.11.07
It's, ah, I dunno - it's beautiful certainly, probably the best looking of a generally phenomenal looking series but I found it all a wee bit glib, really.

Silly to complain of (yes, tinily foreshadowed with the green eyes) ex machinas I know, but a bit front-loaded plotwise I thought and then whuuuop! resolution. And the tropes: enforcement, imprisonment (of course Bar-L should be a jail warden, of course; it's quite neat that) not really engaged with very fully. I may be missing some wonderful bit of sun god mythology that this'n's been wrapped in and go 'a-ha! brilliant' later - can't help but think the breaking of the moon, such a Flex Mentallo whimsy, might be that factor?

Didn't raise his fist again though, Superman, which is great.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:00 / 15.11.07
It definitely wasn't the strongest episode of the series, some of the dialogue was clunky -- "It's the architecture of my native planet, Krypton!" didn't seem natural as a super-loud exclamation (not that GM's dialogue is ever naturalistic, but the rhythm felt completely off), and I felt a bit weird about the idea that Superman doesn't impress his values onto society; that's Lex's whole point, that he does it, and he does. But they aren't Kryptonian values, they're Midwestern American values. That whole bit felt a off to me.

But the page where they tromp through the Fortress, demanding to know why Kandor is kept captive and why the Phantom Zone criminals are locked away...wow!

Mythological component -- returning hero finding himself supplanted. Odysseus (Kal) returning to Athens (Metropolis/Earth) to find himself replaced by suitors (Lilo & Bar-El), only Penelope (Lois) still has him in her heart -- has Superman seen this?! I knew he was alive! It doesn't quite hold up, but it's the one that popped into my head first thing.

It's Mon-El, I'm stuck on that, with Kal-El's family (distant uncle & Aunt, perhaps?) arriving on Earth but becoming stricken with blood poisoning and being saved in a backhanded way.

Radioactive clouds have precedent, and usually caused Kryptonite to become irrational colours; particularly, it resulted in red kryptonite once, and was briefly used as an excuse for why Superboy & Supergirl couldn't visit the 30th Century for a time, as I recall.
 
 
SiliconDream
01:10 / 16.11.07
Indeed. Again with the brilliant, throw-away character observations. The Son of scientists! Very good.

Yes, I loved that bit. Superman as a Kryptonian Jane Goodall. That's probably the best explanation for his non-interventionism I've ever seen.
 
 
SiliconDream
01:26 / 16.11.07
and I felt a bit weird about the idea that Superman doesn't impress his values onto society; that's Lex's whole point, that he does it, and he does.

But he doesn't actually try, does he? He doesn't tell men to style their eyebrows like his; he doesn't actually condemn Steve's "performance pills;" he doesn't even stop a genetically-engineered human bomb from completing its suicidal life mission. He just expresses his values and, Superman being Superman, everyone else can't help falling in line.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:47 / 16.11.07
Oh, I'm not saying he does it intentionally, but...urgh. The thought isn't fully forming itself in my head. He's had a fairly massive impact on society with attempting it, but by being a super-hero and saving people, interacting with people...he does impose some ideas on that society. It's very passive, but he does influence things. Just not as invasively as Lilo and Bar-El.

Does that make any sense?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:53 / 16.11.07
I think: Bar-El and Lilo express and reflect how Lex Luthor perceives Superman's influence on society. I.E., an active, aggressive, overlording presence.

Superman does impress his values, but through sheer role model behaviour and genial interaction; he's a Good Dad, and it is generally benevolent and positive (unless you're Steve Lombard), even if he isn't always transforming culture on a conscious level as Lex might imply. He leads by example.

That's more what I'm talking about.
 
 
SiliconDream
02:15 / 16.11.07
Oh, I agree. I just think it's utterly unconscious on Superman's part. He thinks he's being a good scientist, just popping in now and then to alleviate suffering but otherwise letting human culture take its own course. Meanwhile his presence is completely transforming humanity--for the better, of course.

It adds to the significance of New Krypton's creation in the One Million eras of both All-Star and mainstream DC. Bar-El and Lilo and Zod and the Eradicator want to recreate Krypton by force. Superman doesn't even try, yet his presence gradually uplifts humanity to the point where they have the power and the will to recreate Krypton for him. By refusing to transform the universe to match his ideal, he accomplishes exactly that.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:30 / 16.11.07
Exactly! He quietly, unintentionally encourages evolution rather than overt, artificial "change." Lilo and Bar-El seek to "celebrate" and recreate Krypton, and I was struck by Lilo in the Fortress scene, talking about the Fortress reeking of obsession with a dead culture -- but, ironically, by trying to force Earth to become New Krypton, they really just want it to be be exactly as Krypton was, in spite of Krypton's stagnant culture and eventual demise, whereas Superman triggers a natural shift. They admonish him for morbid obsession but they're actually the ones guilty of it.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:58 / 16.11.07
so what did the person think who felt there must be a reference w/the name Bar-L? No one here seems to have guessed it, if there is such a reference...
 
 
FinderWolf
03:03 / 16.11.07
ah, i see. a google search turns up:

>> A Scottish prison called 'Barlinnie,' nicknamed 'Bar-L' (or at least its in the vicinty of Scotland)

>> [chef from some reality TV cooking show, it seems] Ramsay might be famous for his profanities and hot temperament, but they pale in comparison with some of the 'Bar-L's' most notorious inmates, who have included gangsters Jimmy Boyle and Paul Ferris and the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, now at Greenock Prison.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:24 / 16.11.07
Yup. Which is why the issue's resolution, and the pair's new role and situation, seem appropriate.

I hate the name "Lilo," though. Leelo would have been better.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:37 / 16.11.07
Geoff Klock talks about Jamie's colours in A*S. The book does not seem colored so much as "lit."
 
 
The Falcon
07:54 / 16.11.07
Well, Lilo is not pronounced 'Lee-lo' though, I think. Continuing the criminology theme I have to imagine it's a pun of sorts on 'lie low', which is kind of ack, but you know.
 
 
Mug Chum
15:21 / 16.11.07
Wow... nothing much happened, did it? It seemed like an ok Tom Strong short-story.

But the Daily Planet scenes were lovely, and Superman being all flashdance in matters of style/ John Rambo with machine gun of euthanising beacon was quite, well, damn.

Lilo's apparange on the thoughtscreen would've been more touching if we hadn't just seen these two being utter bastards, and bastards only. And seemed odd of this series' Superman to throw these two to beat prisoners who weren't bothering no one at nowhere, after making the non-intervention points.

The issue itself seemed odd. For instance, the bridges on the moon. Seemed highly symbolic, but extremely awkward in terms of internal plot-logic or its usual flow.

(ps: nice discussion towards Sups' influence. The tp gives big attention to the "the measure of a man is in what he does and not in what he says", seems somewhat fit in the discussion of his way to influence the planet)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:13 / 16.11.07
Lilo's apparange on the thoughtscreen would've been more touching if we hadn't just seen these two being utter bastards, and bastards only. And seemed odd of this series' Superman to throw these two to beat prisoners who weren't bothering no one at nowhere, after making the non-intervention points.

Well, I'd suggest that Superman probably wasn't actually thinking that Bar-El and Lilo would end up as wardens of the Phantom Zone explicitly -- but it seems to be in their nature to interfere, even as he's explaining exactly why they shouldn't. Freed from the confusion and despair of terminal illness, of course they resume their unenlightened selves (which certainly suggests that they don't get a "kryptonite blood poisoning causes isanity" excuse to play for their behaviour prior to the poisoning nearly killing them).

My initial reading was that the last page was not indicating that they'd be wardens, but that something much more sinister was about to go on in the Phantom Zone. Only, I'm not sure Grant has time to devote to another story about these two.

The issue itself seemed odd. For instance, the bridges on the moon. Seemed highly symbolic, but extremely awkward in terms of internal plot-logic or its usual flow.

The issue works as an answer to issues 2 (the emphasis on the Fortress of Solitude's function in the mythos; picking up and critiquing Superman's optimism over leaving the key lying around for future super-people) and 5 (Lex Luthor's fears realized; Lex Luthor's beliefs about Superman's motives being explicitly countered). That said, the pacing's out of whack and the dialogue's not up to snuff.

I actually quite liked the moon sequence, possibly because of the echo to Flex Mentallo.

In some ways, I was more interested in what wasn't going on. Clark returns to the Daily Planet and Lois clearly indicates that she now fully believes him about being Superman, letting him know about his replacements. But she says nothing at all about what Quintum told her in the last issue, about the malignancy in the sun, and it occured to me that with their relationship now in a new, more honest phase, she might be trying to protect him from having to go into the sun again and kill himself outright.

Probably a bit of a stretch, but I suppose I was just expecing more of a heart-to-heart between Superman and Lois upon his return.
 
 
Mug Chum
16:41 / 16.11.07
Lois clearly indicates that she now fully believes (...) but I suppose I was just expecing more of a heart-to-heart between Superman and Lois upon his return.

That was at the same time the disappointing element for me as well as the high point of the reading. The adding of a new layer to the sweet screwball crazyness.

It seems counter-intuitive to have a full blown solid ending union, like the official's line marriage. The zany mercurial "I went south to meet you and you went north to meet and me and at some point in the middle we saw each other briefly, missing each other" dance seems more fit to them and to the sense of an never ending potential. Even at the last issue 12, I suspect it won't be a fully realized accomplished thing, it'll probably be more "one of the many", which seems in key with the series and easy going Superman tale of not making everything official, "definitive take" and written in stone, canon or an ending thing.

picking up and critiquing Superman's optimism over leaving the key lying around for future super-people

I loved that take. And I loved Superman concerned with the poor armless robot. His boyish optimistic enthusiasm and fun loving moments Seaguy-style (puffing his chest with "bad boy" face) are the ones that stand out for me, it's like seeing an ultimately-right Ed Wood from Burton's film in a God suit.

And I wish we'll see by the end our baldy 70's sleaze ball getting a hug from Ms Grant. At least she already put out his fire.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:58 / 16.11.07
It seems counter-intuitive to have a full blown solid ending union, like the official's line marriage. The zany mercurial "I went south to meet you and you went north to meet and me and at some point in the middle we saw each other briefly, missing each other" dance seems more fit to them and to the sense of an never ending potential.

Oh, I definitely don't expect them to get married in the end and live happily ever after, and I don't necessarily expect a "heart-to-heart" so much as some kind of conversation, but -- at this point, because there's so much going on, Lois and Clark exist only in the occasional word uttered in front of everybody (so Superman has to be a seperate entity) and sidelong looks at each other while things are going on. I quite like the "missing each other" angle of their relationship. They're finally both in the same "place" emotionally but too much is going on.

Which is, I suppose, the joy of the One Million ending with Lois emerging from hibernation with an alloy body--you know it's over because they get to have no interruptions.

And I loved Superman concerned with the poor armless robot. His boyish optimistic enthusiasm and fun loving moments Seaguy-style (puffing his chest with "bad boy" face) are the ones that stand out for me, it's like seeing an ultimately-right Ed Wood from Burton's film in a God suit.

That whole scene is awesome and sad because the two elder Kryptonians spend the entire time telling him how horrible and backward his Fortress is, but the whole point of the Fortress is that it's the only place he can properly be himself, Clark and Superman at the same time. Nobody's watching but people who know. The robots are his friends as well as children and servants. They're part of his comfort zone.

And I wish we'll see by the end our baldy 70's sleaze ball getting a hug from Ms Grant. At least she already put out his fire.

Ah! The Steve Lombard / Cat Grant arc. It's so there. Cat seems to be a specifically post-Crisis creation, so it's an interesting development to have a strictly pre-Crisis character a post-Crisis one with that interaction...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:18 / 16.11.07
My initial reading was that the last page was not indicating that they'd be wardens, but that something much more sinister was about to go on in the Phantom Zone. Only, I'm not sure Grant has time to devote to another story about these two.

I didn't get this read from it at all, but I much prefer the possibilities of your read, if I understand them correctly. It would make a good story of Bar-L and Lilo organized the Phantom Zone criminals into some kind of evil New Krypton society and came back to haunt Superman in some way. Solaris freeing them, perhaps.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:33 / 16.11.07
I didn't get this read from it at all, but I much prefer the possibilities of your read, if I understand them correctly. It would make a good story of Bar-L and Lilo organized the Phantom Zone criminals into some kind of evil New Krypton society and came back to haunt Superman in some way. Solaris freeing them, perhaps.

That's pretty much what my first reading of the scene was; I misinterpreted the pleased expressions on the astronauts' faces, and some of the Phantom Zone criminals look a bit more excited than scared. I don't think this is the intended reading at all, but it's sort of interesting, particularly given that I don't really see any reason that Bar-El might be motivated to bring law and order to the Phantom Zone (except that he's reconciled with Kal).
 
 
FinderWolf
22:20 / 16.11.07
>> Lilo's apparange on the thoughtscreen would've been more touching if we hadn't just seen these two being utter bastards, and bastards only.

It just seemed a bit abrupt that such arrogant, wrong-thinking and destructive, mean-spirited people would suddenly be like 'wow, you're so honorable, thank you for saving us, kind sir'.

I guess some humans, when their lives are in jeopardy, are radically thankful to their saviors, but we've certainly seen many in literature, fiction, comics, etc. where the 'bad guy' does not take kindly to his do-gooder trying to save his bacon from the frying pan, so to speak.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:33 / 16.11.07
It just seemed a bit abrupt that such arrogant, wrong-thinking and destructive, mean-spirited people would suddenly be like 'wow, you're so honorable, thank you for saving us, kind sir'.

Oh, you know, the HEALING POWER OF LOVE or somesuch.
 
 
SiliconDream
17:23 / 17.11.07
And seemed odd of this series' Superman to throw these two to beat prisoners who weren't bothering no one at nowhere, after making the non-intervention points.

Can they beat prisoners? Pre-Crisis, at least, the Phantom Zone inhabitants couldn't hurt each other.
 
 
Mug Chum
17:50 / 17.11.07
I read it again... really, the adding of Lois secretly knowing it's a really cool-squee!-awesome-lol-yay-aww fucked-up dynamic... And I thought the distance in body languages (and overall looks) between Clark and Superman from Quitely was really improved from #5 (considering it was already great).

Out of curiosity, I'm wondering if anyone else gets the vibe that Jimmy knows -- surmises -- suspects by this point that Clark and Superman are the same person?

It seemed clear to me somehow from issue 4 he knew, and Clark's situation with his friends in issue 6 somewhat confirmed it to my view. I mean, c'mon, he's his Robin (in any sense one wishes to see that as).
(And his stupid grin actually made me laugh out loud).

Can they beat prisoners?

Well it kinda seemed that way to me (I don't know about that in other times or issues). Superman saying the Zone'll finally have some law and order, and Bar-El fondling his fist with a psycho-looking face (kinda a nice contrast with 5's cover and composition).

[off-topic]
I was watching Big Lebowski and this somewhat seemed fit with the ending panels (and cover) of #6. Psalm 103: 15-16: "As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth. / For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone;"
[/off-topic]
 
 
SiliconDream
10:24 / 18.11.07
Well it kinda seemed that way to me (I don't know about that in other times or issues). Superman saying the Zone'll finally have some law and order, and Bar-El fondling his fist with a psycho-looking face (kinda a nice contrast with 5's cover and composition).

I would think, though, that the inhabitants of this version of the Zone must still be immune to physical harm, or there wouldn't be any point sticking terminally ill people in there. (And most of the criminals would have killed themselves or each other, or died of old age, long ago.)

Now Bar-El probably doesn't know that yet; he's no scientist, after all, and he didn't seem to be aware that you could use the Zone to keep the dying alive. But I like the idea of Superman being privately aware that their fists will be useless in the Zone; if they want to lay down the law, they're going to have to do it through communication and persuasion rather than force.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:22 / 18.11.07
Now Bar-El probably doesn't know that yet; he's no scientist, after all, and he didn't seem to be aware that you could use the Zone to keep the dying alive. But I like the idea of Superman being privately aware that their fists will be useless in the Zone; if they want to lay down the law, they're going to have to do it through communication and persuasion rather than force.

It seems odd to me that Bar-El and Lilo don't seem to be scientists, despite their profession as astronauts. Possibly Krypton's technology was so advanced that they didn't need actual scientists onboard ships, the computers could do everything while the daredevil pilots showed utter disregard for the majesty and wonder of the universe...

And I like that idea about Clark knowingly putting the pair "in charge" of the Phantom Zone without telling them they'll be intangible or otherwise physically ineffectual. Additionally, it's worth noting that the tradtional Phantom Zone in the Silver Age automatically rendered inmates telepathic (which they used against Superman once, by focusing their mental powers on a piece of jewel kryptonite) which contributes to the idea that he's placed them there partially to learn how to change the world through communication.
 
 
Triplets
23:41 / 18.11.07
"Get your naked hands off her!!"

In one line we get told about Krypton's Post-Crisis sterility and coldness. Good dialogue.
 
 
SiliconDream
02:23 / 19.11.07
It seems odd to me that Bar-El and Lilo don't seem to be scientists, despite their profession as astronauts. Possibly Krypton's technology was so advanced that they didn't need actual scientists onboard ships, the computers could do everything while the daredevil pilots showed utter disregard for the majesty and wonder of the universe...

That's as good an explanation as any. Literarily, I think they represent the "astronauts" of fiction sci-fi before we actually had any, and had to think about the practicalities of who has to do the research. With a few exceptions like the Skylark crew (and Mon-El, actually), they were equal parts daredevil pilot and jungle explorer; there wasn't much concern for the majesty and wonder of the universe except insofar as it involved giant monsters, aliens who closely resembled scantily-clad Earth women, and personal or political profit.

Additionally, it's worth noting that the tradtional Phantom Zone in the Silver Age automatically rendered inmates telepathic (which they used against Superman once, by focusing their mental powers on a piece of jewel kryptonite) which contributes to the idea that he's placed them there partially to learn how to change the world through communication.

Good point.

"Get your naked hands off her!!"

In one line we get told about Krypton's Post-Crisis sterility and coldness. Good dialogue.


Sterility, definitely, but coldness? Bar-El seems quite passionate. The way I see it, this revamps Byrne's coldly logical technogeeks into a race of bull-headed jocks and entrepreneurs, tremendously proud of their culture's accomplishments even as they mock the sort of intellectual flexibility that allowed it to be developed in the first place. Byrne's Superman was free of traditional Kryptonian xenophobia because he was more emotionally open and passionate about life; but it's A*S's thoughtfulness and scientific detachment that allow him to immerse himself freely in other cultures.

Which I like very much. Not only because comic book scientists are normally presented as emotionally stunted freaks, but also because it makes Krypton's rejection of Jor-El more understandable. It's a lot easier to buy "Planetary council ignores brilliant scientist's prophecies of doom," if Kryptonian isolationism and obsession with tradition are coupled to overt contempt for soft, ineffectual scientists.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:16 / 19.11.07
Silicon: Literarily, I think they represent the "astronauts" of fiction sci-fi before we actually had any, and had to think about the practicalities of who has to do the research. With a few exceptions like the Skylark crew (and Mon-El, actually), they were equal parts daredevil pilot and jungle explorer; there wasn't much concern for the majesty and wonder of the universe except insofar as it involved giant monsters, aliens who closely resembled scantily-clad Earth women, and personal or political profit.

Bar-El and Lilo are the "astronaut as conquerer" (literally!) motif, old school Colonialism out to tame the "wilds" of space and bring reason, good government, and crystalline spires to the darkest regions of uncharted universe. I can very much buy this reading of them, and I like the implication that they reflect and react to what Superman would consequently represent (He's the "new science" in Science Fiction, a newer, post-colonial exploration of alien cultures). Which makes them good opponents and shows me the potential for this series with regard to Superman's rogues; the criticism is always that he doesn't really have any worth using beyond Lex Luthor, and this series is pushing that theory down. GM's starting to use villains that directly react to different facets of the "Superman Formula" like the Joker and his ilk respond to Batman's aspects.

Which I like very much. Not only because comic book scientists are normally presented as emotionally stunted freaks, but also because it makes Krypton's rejection of Jor-El more understandable. It's a lot easier to buy "Planetary council ignores brilliant scientist's prophecies of doom," if Kryptonian isolationism and obsession with tradition are coupled to overt contempt for soft, ineffectual scientists.

All-Star Krypton must have been so remarkably decadent prior to the explosion; map that with the treatment of Bizarro Jor-El (elevated to king for his stupidity).

I think I like the "scientist Superman" reading so much because he's prevented from ever being a brick, or even a relentlessly upbeat boyscout; he's not just all-powerful and hitting things. Knockoffs of Superman are, well, a dime-dozen deal nowadays, but rarely do they achieve much beyond being that brick double.

"Get your naked hands off her!" -- Krypton and its terrible fear of cooties, because those naked hands have saved human lives and Lois Lane and he might get those germs all over her precious "I can't believe it's not Ursa!" spacesuit.

I love, by the way, the look of the Kryptonian spacesuits -- the Brainiac-style electrodes on the headgear alone is worth the price of admission.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
16:47 / 24.11.07
yeah, i loved the outfits too. the look of the issue was beautiful. it's great that ASS feels like Metal Hurlant Superman. in this case MH doing a nice Superman movie II impression.

it made up for the quick resolution, which was brought upon mostly by a single line in a panel. it felt a bit warren-ellisian in a "let's get this done with" way.

pacing felt a bit off after the Bizarro two-parter. i'm all against padding for decompression, but ASS looks and feels so good i wish all stories lasted for 2 issues and it builded up until #24 rather #12, which is only 3 issues away. =\
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:53 / 28.11.07
Leaving aside the issue of the awkward pacing -- not tossing it aside, mind, just putting it on the shelf for a minute -- Number Nine was a very peculiar issue.

How is it working with the rest of the series? What piece of the puzzle does this one present?

It furthers the underpinnings of mortality, as Superman remarks at the end that he'll find a cure "if [he] still [has] time." Bar-El & Lilo are now on the very long list of all the things Superman needs to accomplish before he dies.

Other people just want to go skydiving. But even Superman's death march is tainted (enriched?) by his sense of duty, the piling on of responsibilities that need to be seen to before he can go on his way. The citizens of Kandor must be enlarged. He needs to know for certain that he's made piece with Lois. A replacement needs to be found, possibly with the help of P.R.O.J.E.C.T. or a cured Bar-El. Zibarro must be rescued from the Underverse. Lex Luthor must (?) be saved from death row (come on, think about it -- they need each other as much as Lois and Clark need each other; the screaming tantrum that Clark has at the end of Number Five suggests to me that he's deeply troubled by the death of Lex Luthor, regardless of how they feel about each other; hook that into his response to the Kryptonians' illness). And then you get down to the Solaris question, which he doesn't even know about yet.

And there's something very interesting happening in that last scene. All of Clark's compassion masks big-time despair, his need to tend to his garden (as it were) -- will he be alone, even in death? Will there be someone there (Lois?) to hold his hand before the end, to listen to him at the last moment with a telepathy headband on? The final scene of Number Nine seems to indicate all that to me, his fears at being alone in death -- he shows compassion to the dying Kryptonians and is there for them, even still. Maybe Luthor will be there for him, twisted as that may sound.

It isn't even flashy angst -- sure, the pacing's awful in this issue but the character work is so subtle. That final scene is a blueprint for Clark's psyche in the face of death, when death has never been an issue for him before. He doesn't want to be alone. He prays for someone to offer him a miracle cure or a Phantom Zone delay.

It's odd -- I read God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater yesterday and it feels tied to this, as far as my brain is concerned... Eliot Rosewater's love and compassion, blended with Superman's. Maybe thast has to do with Vonnegut referring to "Great Caesar's ghost" and Perry White emerging fully-formed in my head (and Senator Rosewater, Eliot's father, seemed to look like Quitely's Perry in my head).
 
 
FinderWolf
02:54 / 28.11.07
A rather unique book suggests that Luthor's look was based on Crowley. Huh. Bald and brilliant... innnteresting theory.

Sad to think we have only 3 more issues left of Morrison, Quietly and Grant's Supes.
 
 
andrewdrilon
07:48 / 28.11.07
Wasn't Luthor's current look based on Sivana?

Beautiful issue, by the way, despite the weird rhythm. Quietly's art is majestic, and the Grant's writing makes this story feel like a true classic. Uber-plotty and elegant, though nothing has surpassed the perfection issue 6 yet. Still waiting for Solaris! Tyrant Sun attack!
 
 
Chew On Fat
11:13 / 28.11.07
Papers:
"...the character work is so subtle."

So subtle that I'm glad of your equally deft reading. Its amazing how little overt emphasis Morrison puts on the one major plot thread running through the series - Superman's impending demise. But it's all there.

I know relating the author's biography to the work is very pre-post-modern, but I only found out recently that Morrison's own father passed away while he was writing New X-men.* V recently in other words.

One of the reasons issue 6 addresses its subject with such feeling and deliberately little mawkishness. No doubt this was mentioned way upthread.

*his association of that period in his life with his writing on the New X-men is one of the reasons he gave for not writing the X-men again for a long time.
 
 
FinderWolf
11:38 / 28.11.07
>> Its amazing how little overt emphasis Morrison puts on the one major plot thread running through the series - Superman's impending demise. But it's all there.

Supes says something like 'I'll, um, try to restore Kandor [and/or Bar-El and Lilo] IF I HAVE TIME' (emphasis mine). This was a nice reminder this issue that Supes feels he has limited time left on this earth. (of course, we, the readers, know differently, as issue 12 can't end with a dead Superman)
 
 
Chew On Fat
11:45 / 28.11.07
My point exactly.

But 'If I have time' is normally a very innocuous phrase, so it can (and did in my case) slip under the radar very easily.

All to the good.

I'm just imagining if this story was being dealt with by one of those x-writers -

"..If I wasn't due to die beacause of over-exposure to the sun that time Lex Luthor tricked me into rescuing those Astronauts!!"

:-)
 
  

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