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Infinite Crisis

 
  

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LDones
00:09 / 14.09.05
That is, without a doubt, some of the worst coloring I've seen in ages. Astonishing! GASP, at a world before Photoshop was used tastefully!
 
 
Triplets
00:10 / 14.09.05
Are these pages from the first Crisis? Because that's what they look and sound like.

Bad, bad dialogue emphasis. And shit art.
 
 
Triplets
00:12 / 14.09.05
And this is what they've spent months building up to, with all the breaking of the internet and so on? A shiteparty for the eyes?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:21 / 14.09.05
Bad, bad dialogue emphasis.

You're not fucking joking, either:

The brass said there was some kinda EXPLOSION on the MOON tonight.

Take a gander at this door here. Not a SPECK of DUST on it. I reckon there's a REASON.

Could it be that the true crisis is a lack of letterers at DC and they're preparing us for the day when all their dialogue will consist of only two or three words in each speech bubble, telegram-style?

EXPLOSION. MOON.

SPECK. DUST. REASON.

WRITING. SHIT. READERS. PATRONISED?
 
 
Triplets
01:01 / 14.09.05
Randy, please start writing for a magazine that talks comics and games because you've just made me jizz. Fucking majestigreat.
 
 
Slim
02:21 / 14.09.05
If I know one thing, it's this: Uncle Sam can whup some ass.

I liked the art but the dialogue, especially the the Batman-Superman-WW part, wasn't that great.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:42 / 14.09.05
this exact preview was in Wizard 2 issues ago....yeah, wasn't terribly impressed. I do love that opening spread of the big 3, though. lots of mystery WTFs on that spread...i'm a sucker for that kind of junk.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:20 / 14.09.05
He's Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam doesn't need to have realistic dialouge - he's Uncle Sam. A walking recruitment poster from another age.
 
 
Aertho
13:31 / 14.09.05
What's Phantom Lady recruiting for then?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:36 / 14.09.05
I can't see what the issue is with the art, either. It's Phil Jimenez, and it looks like pretty decent Phil Jimenez. A bit Perezy for some people's tastes, maybe. I reserve judgement on the colouring until I see how it looks in print.

Bizzaro saying "goodbye" was a nice touch, seeing as he really ment "hello" but they're all about to die horribly anyway.

I heart Bizzaro.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:52 / 14.09.05
When was Uncle Sam brought into present continuity? When did Black Adam decide to stop trying to be a good guy in JSA? When did the Psycho Pirate come back? Since when is Bizarro Superman a baddie?

Just in short?
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
15:22 / 14.09.05
> When was Uncle Sam brought into present continuity?

I think Uncle Sam and the rest of the Freedom Fighters have been a part of the main DCU continuity since Crisis. They show up once in a while. Human Bomb showed up in a Superboy issue during Our World at War. They just don't show up very often cause, frankly, they are kinda lame.

> When did Black Adam decide to stop trying to be a good
> guy in JSA?

I avoid JSA as much as it is humanly possible, but I heard there was a story where Black Adam and other JSAers go evil and take over a country or something.

> When did the Psycho Pirate come back?

The Psycho Pirate, despite that story in Animal Man, has been showing up in several stories without any explanation.

> Since when is Bizarro Superman a baddie?

Since Emperor Joker, me thinks.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:26 / 14.09.05
Bizarro strikes me as playable both ways, either as villain or misguided stupid moron who's played for laughs. Even as a villain he can't be all that scary, really.

These preview pages do look pretty disappointing. And I really hoped Johns would make this something special...but it just looks like Formulaic Superhero Slugfest.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:37 / 14.09.05
Bizzaro is defined by being Bizzaro, so he probably thinks am world greatest hero right now or something.

Hints in the latest Superman he wants to find a new Bizzaro world. Glee!
 
 
Simplist
16:35 / 15.09.05
Bad, bad dialogue emphasis.

As an aside, I just read the latest issue of Wonder Woman, and the dialogue emphasis throughout the book was at least as bad as in that IC preview. It wasn't just bad, it seemed almost random -- there was no sense or apparent reason to many of the emphasized words, making for some distractingly disjointed-reading dialogue. I've never read anything by Rucka before; hopefully this was just some letterist screwing around, and not Rucka's actual writing style...
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:32 / 15.09.05
I've generally enjoyed Rucka's writing. His recent Wonder Woman issues have certainly been on the weak side, perhaps there's some ghost scripting going on.

The crisis preview seems to have a structure similar to the original crisis. The Big 3 then a cut away to the Freedom Fighters . . . wasn't there a sequence almost exactly like that in the original?
 
 
Triplets
22:19 / 15.09.05
Simplist, bad dialogue emphasis is all over comic books. Particularly stuff coming out of the DC shed. I've got an Authority Wildstorm Summer backup here that takes your sense of dramatic emphasis outside and inserts it's cock in it, will scan up later, it's a work of art.

(This was before the Authority developed tourettes. I don't think I could take 22 pages of bolded fuck climbing inside my retina).
 
 
chucklehound
19:03 / 16.09.05
> When did Black Adam decide to stop trying to be a good
> guy in JSA?

As mentioned, Black Adam decides to go liberate his ancestral homeland and gets Nuklon to help him out. There is now a kind of odd state in which JSA treats Black Adam as a harsh, but justified and fairly legit, ruler of his homeland, and comics like Villains United in which Black Adam is playing along with Luthor and the rest. I believe there's one issue where he comments that he's just doing this to protect Khandaq from the other villains, but seems a little flimsy.

As far as the Freedom Fighters in the original crisis, I don't think they show up until about halfway through (when Uncle Sam and the Ray join up with the other heroes to go to the antimatter universe)
 
 
FinderWolf
15:24 / 19.09.05
Newsarama reports:

>> While original Crisis on Infinite Earths artist George Perez already confirmed for Newsarama that he (along with Jerry Ordway on finishes) would be penciling sequences in Infinite Crisis #2, word has now come that Perez’s Crisis collaborator, Marv Wolfman has a special job in the coming Crisis as well.

>> According to DCU Executive Editor Dan DiDio who recently spoke with Newsarama, Wolfman will write a story for February’s Infinite Crisis Secret Files, which will, among other things, draw a more or less direct line between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
16:29 / 19.09.05
He's assisting in the "unionizing" efforts in Villians United because he believes that the "heroes" wouldn't hesitate to mind wipe him. And also, Luthor convinces him that Mockingbird (the Secret Six's Secret Leader... my money is on it being Luthor) used the Six to plant bombs near Adam's homeland that would have killed everyone in it.

Villans United is the only IC book that has any interest for me right now.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:11 / 21.09.05
Rich Johnston this week mentions that IC will have the heroes dividing into "houses" a la the Alan Moore Twilight proposal...but he hasn't hinted at this before, nor have any other news/scoop/rumor sources...sounds kinda weird. Maybe he just means by 'houses' that Superman's 'family' take his side, Bats' 'family' takes his side, etc. etc. ...?
 
 
Aertho
17:14 / 21.09.05
That should be plainly obvious. I'm more interested in the second and third teir characters, and who they side with.

Picked up the recent JLA cuz of Zatanna on the cover. Shows obvious leanings that Zee would choose Diana's side in a fight.... Made me wonder where the other reservists would fall.

Guardian = Batman, Bulleteer = Superman, Zatanna = Wonder Woman, etc?
 
 
A
06:24 / 22.09.05
The superheroes-dividing-up-into-"houses" thing has certainly been done before, but I think they could possibly avoid making this a poor man's Kingdom Come if Superman and Batman were on the same side. I mean, realistically*, they'd almost certainly be on the same side anyway, and it would be quite satisfying seeing Supes and Bats really laying the smack down on damn near every other superhero in town.

* in superhero comics terms, anyway.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:53 / 27.09.05
A brightening of the DCU is on the horizon after Infinite Crisis, reports Rich Johnston...yay!

>> NO MORE CRISIS?

Mark Waid has stated that the current "Infinite Crisis" and the surrounding darkening of comics is not part of a trend that DC intends to follow, but an end of the road to that sort of storytelling. He writes, "The good news is, and I guarantee you this, when we're on the other side of the CRISIS, those days are GONE. Just gone. We're sick to death of heroes who are not heroes, we're sick to death of darkness. Not that there's no room, not that Batman should act like Adam West, but that won't be the overall feeling. After all this stuff, after everything shakes down, we're done with heroes being dicks. No more we screwed each other and now we must pay the consequences. No, we're super-heroes and that's what we do. Batman's broken. Through no ONE person's fault, but he's a dick now. And we've been told we can fix that."

Certainly an intriguing and interesting twist from what readers have been expecting, given current DC fare.

Not all of DC's editorially influencing creatives feel entirely the same way as Waid. Grant Morrison is on Mark's side, naturally. Judd Winick and Greg Rucka take a different view. And Geoff Johns can play to both sides equally.

But with "All Star," "Identity Crisis," "Countdown," "Infinite Crisis" "One Year Gap" and "52," DC have proved themselves experts at presenting a united, unified and cohesive creative front to the public. Makes a nice change. Can only be for the good.

There are some talks about a more mature readers superhero line at DC to compliment a new direction from the rest of the DC Universe. But talks are all they are for now.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:08 / 27.09.05
So, they're sick of all the darkness and the grimness - so they're building their entire crossover event around a style and a set of storylines emblematic of a style they intend to abandon completely? I'm not buying. This sounds like wishful thinking to me on the part of the Waidster.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:33 / 27.09.05
well, if you're quitting, why not have that last puff/fix/shot/quickie to end all?

I remember the post-Crisis DC was mostly very bright and doom-free.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:05 / 27.09.05
Huh. This is actually the first interesting explanation I've seen for the actual purpose of Infinite Crisis. If this is a conscious effort to let that aesthetic run its course and "fix" the DCU...then I have to say I'm on board with it.
 
 
Simplist
16:18 / 27.09.05
Much as I want to believe MW, I'm skeptical. I just don't see the suits approving a dramatic shift in tone at this point, given the sales the post-IC DCU is suddenly generating...
 
 
Aertho
16:28 / 27.09.05
Hmmm... Crisis on Infinite Earths was a thick smash up of all the Silver Age concepts, mess, and fluff that had occurred in the previous two decades.

Grains of salt, and a readthrough of Boogaloo, Boboss, Mac, and etc =
Infinite Crisis might be a thick smash up of all the Modern Age concepts, mess and fluff that occurred in the most recent two decades?

We ARE ahead of the curve, being who we are. Maybe Infinite Crisis isn't so much a parody — but an actual account of the mainstream meaninglessness of the previous two decades. Perhaps we'll get a shiny new meaningful and integrated world when this is over with...


Ha! Right again.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:31 / 27.09.05
Seems as though DC would have the opportunity to develop lines similar to marvel:
The All Star line = Ultimate
They mentioned an adult oriented Super Hero line which sounds like the MARVEL KNIGHTS premis

Then a standard DCU

along with the "adventures" type of line Teen Titans Go Justice League Unlimitied etc.

I can see the "suits" backing a plan like this. 4 different batmans for 4 different demographics.

speaking of BATMAN by the way, can anyone explain what's causeing the in-story RIFF between him & Superman? Is he blaming Supes for not stoping his mindwipe?
 
 
doyoufeelloved
19:47 / 27.09.05
speaking of BATMAN by the way, can anyone explain what's causeing the in-story RIFF between him & Superman? Is he blaming Supes for not stoping his mindwipe?

A little bit of that, added to quite a bit of "Superman beat him nearly to death while being mind-controlled by Max Lord." Which brought out Batman's most DARK KNIGHT-esque "It's probably not a good idea to have guys like this running around" tendencies.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:27 / 28.09.05
Butbut (again) - If Superman connects once with Batman, Batman is dead. If he's in a position to beat him nearly to death, why is he not dead?
 
 
Aertho
16:47 / 28.09.05
Bruce's been taking Kryptonite vitamins for years. Just in case. Makes his urine glow green, but it's less troublesome than talking to Clark about telepathic weaponry. Supes is a Kansas boy, after all, and flyover states can't be reasoned with.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:01 / 28.09.05
I suppose one could say that deep deep down Supes didn't hit Bats repeatedly with anywhere near full strength because he was resisting being mind-controlled on some subconscious level (the comic book/fantasy cliche that when characters are mind controlled they fight it somehow deep down and therefore don't go quite as crazy/violent as they could). Or just weak writing, either or.

In other IC news, Newsarama reports:

>> DiDio confirmed that DC is playing its cover game again, and stated that the Jim Lee cover to Infinite Crisis #2 (featuring Power Girl in front of a vortex) isn’t the final cover that will see stands. “Jim gets paid too much money to do something like that as the final cover,” DiDio said, laughing.

>> And finally, throughout the run of Infinite Crisis, DiDio will be bringing his “Crisis Counseling” panel to Newsarama! Every Wednesday that an issue of Crisis is due to his stands, DiDio will answer questions from readers on the previous issue, as well as tease events that are coming up in the upcoming issue. Look for more on this shortly.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:36 / 29.09.05
Having conned a disappointing yet unsurprising number of people into buying 4 x 6-issue miniseries that generally told about half of a short prologue each, DC now blatantly taking the piss.
 
  

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