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Infinite Crisis

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MrKismet

16:14 / 20.07.05

<< Detective Chimp is a joy. >>

Agreed, but can't we call him Dick Chimp, for simplicity's sake? Cooler, also.

Juan_Arteaga

19:03 / 20.07.05

Dick Chimp is probably his porn star name.

Benny the Ball

19:30 / 20.07.05

The current issue of Villians whatevering is actually alright. Not a great deal happens, they all get tortured for a while in really horrible ways, and it also does a lot more for highlighting how lame the Villians as a collective are (I didn't recognise most of them), but it's a good read. The Rann Thangar book is a mess though. Also the latest JLA is just so stupidly grim and gritty for no reason. The last few pages are good, but everything before that is just like Identity Crisis.

FinderWolf

20:08 / 20.07.05

yeah, the DCU villains are pretty lame aren't they?

Our Lady Has Left the Building

20:46 / 20.07.05

Benjamin: Richardson Acolyte I have zero interest in the more salacious aspects of Countdown and Identity Crisis, but am more interested in the way that they're building up the rift between Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. It honestly doesn't show any signs of returning to the status quo after Crisis is over.

An argument might be made that this crisis is returning to the post-Crisis-and-pre-Zero Hour status quo in the JLA in that WW, Supes and Bats were previously never full-time members of the JLA and prefered to do their own thing, so maybe J'onn will be forced to go crawling to whoever Maxwell Lord doesn't manage to kill...

MrKismet

21:05 / 20.07.05

<< Dick Chimp is probably his porn star name. >>

Works for me.

rabideyemovement

01:02 / 21.07.05

I liked Dick Chimp's origin story. Found the Fountain of Youth, heh?

Juan_Arteaga

01:27 / 21.07.05

> yeah, the DCU villains are pretty lame aren't they?

NO! They are gloriously goofy silver age reprobates and they deserve all the love they can get.

And there is plenty of fun to be found outside Bat's loony psycho toons, and Superman's Lex Luthor.

The Flash villains are practically in a group of their own. They are possibly the only group of villains that will get together to play Poker, drink beer and watch the game just as often as they get together to rob a bank and try to kill Flash.Plus they got Mirror Master in their ranks and he rocks.

Darkseid is great even though not many people can write him properly.

And Sportsmaster will always be my personal fav.

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:18 / 21.07.05

MacGyver, I was assuming only people who are fairly-to-very familiar with the world of comics as it exists today would read my comments. Those people by now tend to be pretty good at taking evidence such as Geoff Johns' previous output, the reviews for Identity Crisis and Countdown (or in the case of the former, even a summary, which is more damning than a review could ever be), and Dan Didio's "what makes the man, what makes the hero" comments, and making a judgment as to what kind of comic Infinite Crisis will be. And if people want to sample stuff, it's still relatively easy to flick through comics in the shop.

FinderWolf

14:31 / 21.07.05

eyewitness account of an IC panel at ComicCon:

>> QUESTION: How is Grant Morrison's "Seven Soldiers" tied in?

>> ANSWER: DIDIO: It is.

*lol*. Oh, and also, Brad Meltzer, author of Identity Crisis, is giving story input into Infinite Crisis. [shudder]

Sekhmet

14:36 / 21.07.05

The dearth of Arkhamites in Villains United is puzzling me.

Of course, I'm a total Gotham-head and I haven't even heard of half these people...

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

14:42 / 21.07.05

Flyboy: I think his problem may be that you're being an ass about it for no good reason, which is probably why he's pissed off at you.

Countdown was fine for what was essentialy a cheap retread of Doom Patrol #57 tacked on the end of a load of in-house ads.

But you haven't read any of these books (otherwise you'd be telling yourself to shut up, surely), so please, please stop all this pointless trolling.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

14:46 / 21.07.05

Oh, and also, Brad Meltzer, author of Identity Crisis, is giving story input into Infinite Crisis. [shudder]

Well, what's wrong with that? Brad's a solid writer. You certainly liked his series before everybody dogpiled you.

Aside: there are rumours Mr JLI Giffen handed DiDio a list of people to kill in the DCU to "shake things up", and he has a new DCU series out after the Crisis. Hmmmmmm.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Regrettable Juvenilia

15:27 / 21.07.05

But you haven't read any of these books (otherwise you'd be telling yourself to shut up, surely), so please, please stop all this pointless trolling.

Which books? I've read several issues of Identity Crisis (which, incidentally, FinderWolf has said many times that he disliked because of the way it developed after issue 1, not because other people also disliked it). I've not read Infinite Crisis because it's not out yet: in that respect, I'm much like everybody else on this thread.

FinderWolf

15:28 / 21.07.05

rumors are that there will be a new Giffen-written Suicide Squad series post-Crisis...

ONLY NICE THINGS

16:05 / 21.07.05

Yes, Flyboy, stop trolling a thread about Infinite Crisis. It's really bad manners.

ONLY NICE THINGS

16:12 / 21.07.05

Or, to put it another way and with moderator hat firmly on, sometimes people express opinions about comics that we disagree with. Let's try to make that disagreement reasonably polite and with a minimum of personal attacks, eh? It's OK to be passionate, but that passion is better focussed on works rather than people. Also, some stuff about motes and beams.

Haus of Mystery

16:24 / 21.07.05

Actually I'd like to retract my bitchiness in the initial post. It comes across a bit too snarky, and my point could have been made without it.

FinderWolf

16:39 / 21.07.05

Prediction: IC will begin the Justice League having been disbanded (in the pages of DCU books just prior to IC #1) due to all the lack of trust/hurt feelings issues happening in JLA, WW and the Supes titles right now, and some major menace (The Secret Society of Supervillains back in action) will require their getting back together. (although DC editors have said there might not even be a Justice League after IC; or it might have a new membership and not the Big Seven)

All DiDio's talk of 'what it takes to be a hero' means eventually we're due for less betrayal, secret-keeping that hurts other superheroes' feelings, raping and murdering of heroes (and 3rd rate joke characters becoming supervillains) and eventually some hopefully fun, epic, dramatic superhero adventure a la the original Crisis. Hopefully.

Juan_Arteaga

18:24 / 21.07.05

> rumors are that there will be a new Giffen-written
> Suicide Squad series post-Crisis...

... Cause the last one was sooooo good...

FinderWolf

18:32 / 21.07.05

I've actually heard a lot of comic fans really enjoyed the old John Ostrander-written Suicide Squad, it seems to have some cult status...it introduced the character of Amanda Waller, I think, and even featured Grant Morrison-from-Animal Man (unnamed, as "The Writer") in a few bits. I've never read the original SS so I don't have an opinion on it, just heard a lot of people grooved on it.

Haus of Mystery

19:08 / 21.07.05

Don't get Boboss started on Suicide Squad... he'll wax lyrical like an old frickin' soldier.
Siriously, I believe it was a nicely handled concept, by the then very popular Mr Ostrander.

Spaniel

19:48 / 21.07.05

Do I go on about Suicide Squad? I don't remember going on about Suicide Squad. Pappuce used to collect it, and I used to like it, I know that much. Oh, and John Ostrander was one of me faves when I were a lad.

Haus of Mystery

20:35 / 21.07.05

STOP GOING ON ABOUT SUICIDE SQUAD!!!
For fuck's sake....

ONLY NICE THINGS

20:44 / 21.07.05

It's possible that that was a reference to the Suicide Squad formed during Our Worlds at War: Manchester Black, Chemo, Plasmus and Metallo, or something like that.

I found a bunch of Ostrander Suicide Squads for 20p apiece, and grabbed some more, primarily for the appearance of Shade the Changing Man. It was fun, if not great art - and actually seems to have many of the characteristics of the Identity Crisis strain... most obviously, Villains United and Project OMAC are both drawing heavily on the world and the concepts of the SS...

Juan_Arteaga

20:52 / 21.07.05

> I've actually heard a lot of comic fans really enjoyed
> the old John Ostrander-written Suicide Squad

Yeah. That's one of the books I would love to see in TPBs.

I wasn't talking about that one, though. I was talking about the blink or miss it Giffen Suicide Squad revival that showed up after Our World At War event not so long ago. Giffen and Suicide Squad were a huuuuuuge mismatch.

Benny the Ball

21:12 / 21.07.05

12 issues, featured the team being led by Sgt. Rock. It had nice art and an okay idea, but it was trying to be Justice League too much (it even had most of the Justice League Antartica crew involved in it). The Ostrander run was fantastic - two of my favourite annuals were from that time, the Doom Patrol/Suicide Squad Annual, and the very very brilliant Suicide Squad Firestorm annual - which included Batman being well hard, fighting Cpt. Boomerang, he throws a batarang, Boomerang smashes it with one of his boomerang, says 'sorry sport, you're only as good as your weapon' - Batman knocks him out and says 'I am my weapon'. Ah yes, Suicide Squad and Firestorm, back in the good old days...

This Sunday

21:35 / 21.07.05

I dunno, I thought the short-lived Rock-led team (and their book) was alright. More than, even. 'Course, I paid ten cents an issue for the whole batch, but, still.
Not the first series, but then, you never can be, y'know? Byrne's Doom Patrol isn't horrid becaus it isn't Morrison's (or Pollack's, even), any more than Morrison's was terrible because it wasn't Drake's. Byrne's DP fails all on its own. That 'Suicide Squad' on its own terms - had I not been on a DCU-fast of some kind (yeah, I know, it's sad I can actually type that - and live it) I would've probably bought the issues new and been just as satisfied.
This has nothing at all to do with InfiniCris, though, does it? Er... is Donna Troy fixed yet? And if all the JLI standards die, can we have them break out of the afterlife, later? Or, at least, serving more burgers for the length of a mini?

Phex: Dorset Doom

22:10 / 21.07.05

is Donna Troy fixed yet?
Still crazy I'm afraid, though the Outsiders and Teen Titans are bringing her back and supposedly she has some huge part in the IC (maybe Diana dies and she replaces her as Wonder Woman? Just an idea). The 'Return of Donna Troy' books so far have been pretty awfully done, I don't dig the art and with ten+ characters at any one time everyone gets reduced to mouthing their own cliches; Nightwing demands that someone 'get (him) tactical', Beastboy and Kid Flash joke about and Raven is reduced to giving incredibly obvious assesments of their enemies' mental states like Lisa in Team America. This said Starfire remains one of the breast comic book characters in recent mammary.

Juan_Arteaga

22:29 / 21.07.05

I dunno, there are several things I didn't like about it.

I think Giffen was sometimes trying to be cute and funny with the series, and Suicide Squad is not the type of series that works cute and funny, unless it is a type of Garth Ennis funny, but this series can't be that since it was all ages. All ages cute and funny Suicide Squad? No way.

FinderWolf

13:40 / 22.07.05

>> The 'Return of Donna Troy' books so far have been pretty awfully done,

MAN have they been bad (the 2 issues that came out thus far). Even the wonderful art of Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez, a consistently underrated and underappreciated artist, can't save this awful book. Jimenez is not a very good writer. Apparently Donna Troy will play a major role in Infinite Crisis...in Return of Donna Troy they keep saying that Donna is destined to destroy Colu, Brainiac's homeworld, and that's why they had her killed years ago in that limited series.

Mario

13:36 / 24.07.05

>> This said Starfire remains one of the breast comic book characters in recent mammary.

Ouch. Just...ouch.

Juan_Arteaga

16:35 / 24.07.05

I am sorry, but if you don't agree with that statement, you are a boob.

Mario

18:24 / 24.07.05

I didn't say I disagreed...just thought the pun was a bit of a bust.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

23:40 / 24.07.05

You guys can say what you want, but I know this book will be the first one I grab off the rack.

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