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Big Brother: Revenge of the Sixth.

 
  

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Spaniel
12:30 / 15.06.05
Oh, I suppose it is possible to like the idea of Craig the viewer surrogate, but, again, that's no reason to stick up for the guy.
 
 
Ganesh
13:10 / 15.06.05
Yawn: I'm always quite impressed (and I genuinely mean this) by people who're able to watch Big Brother in the 'pure' way that (I reckon) you watch it eg. wanting to keep the likes of Craig in for the very good reason that they're entertaining. Increasingly, we're being told that this is the way we should vote (assuming we don't want anodyne blandness) and, intellectually, I agree.

However (and this is possibly connected to having been a priggishly 'law-abiding' child), I find it virtually impossible not to also filter the housemates in terms of 'good' and 'bad' behaviour - and want to see the one rewarded and the other punished. I'm well aware of how subjective this is, but the larger part of me wants Craig, say, to be 'taught a lesson' ie. evicted - even though his bad behaviour entertains me.

For what it's worth, I think he probably was unfairly penalised for his part in the Saskiassassin conversation, because, unlike, Derek and Roberto, he wasn't actively discussing nominations, merely doing that thing he does: agreeing with whoever's he's with who's actually gossiping, and giving things an extra stir. As with the consequences of Vanessa's rule-breaking, though, one gets the distinct impression that Big Brother is using these infractions, somewhat arbitrarily, to influence the House dynamic, particularly with regard to nominations. So far, we've had no 'straight' nominations - there's always been a twist or gimmick - and it's vaguely annoying.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:32 / 15.06.05
ganesh - i reckon the nomi-twists arise from the dull dynamic generated by endemol's selections. It's apparently the only way to generate a narrative within the house.

boboss - no of course i do not want to be mates with craig.

ganesh - spose i am a 'pure-watcher'. Tho doesn't stop me from scolding from time to time. Science, for example, confounds me.

I mean it is essential that roberto stays in. As for Derek, I''m torn. In a way I want him to stay so that the bizarre double act can continue their descent into sheer hell but I'm also quite partial to seeing how Roberto reconfigures his attitude should his 'buddy' leave.

Voting Sam out is almost a wasted vote.

It's as if she's not there anyway.
 
 
Ganesh
22:14 / 15.06.05
Science is utterly without any discernable sense of humour, innee?
 
 
Ganesh
23:12 / 15.06.05
I'm liking the speed-dating 'task' a lot.

Sam to goooooooooo!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:20 / 15.06.05
It is good viewing and just at the right time... it seems to be bringing them out of themselves a bit. Sam is actually embarrassing me.
 
 
Ganesh
23:24 / 15.06.05
From what I've seen of the speed-dating task so far, Roberto has surprised me (and Kemal) with his polysexual flirting, Science has unsurprised me with his utter lack of humour or warmth, and Sam is mortifying me with her inability to connect in any way, sexual or otherwise (even when questions are provided, she resorts to the most sexless 'lap-dance' sans music, ever) with anyone.
 
 
Ganesh
23:32 / 15.06.05
And even with Saskia's help, Sam has difficulty thinking of any sexual fantasies whatsoever. Dear oh dear...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:39 / 15.06.05
Maybe she just doesn't want to talk about her fantasies on TV?

Derek barking was wonderful.
 
 
Ganesh
23:44 / 15.06.05
Maybe she just doesn't want to talk about her fantasies on TV?

Possibly, but she doesn't even have prepared 'presentable' fantasies, other than shagging Anthony in the Big Brother House. I suspect it was indicative of a barren fantasy life rather than a burgeoning but deeply private one.

Quite liked it when she snogged Makosi, though.

Saskia's session with Derek was good. She made him squirm, then made him bark.

Science is being a fucking killjoy. As ever.
 
 
Shrug
23:48 / 15.06.05
No one happened to catch Makosi (bold as brass) and Anthony (dull as fuck)'s earlier conversation did they?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:55 / 15.06.05
I suspect it was indicative of a barren fantasy life rather than a burgeoning but deeply private one.

Well, if she's never even had an orgasm then that may be her fantasy and if that's her overwhelming fantasy and she doesn't want anyone to know...
 
 
Ganesh
00:00 / 16.06.05
Well, if she's never even had an orgasm then that may be her fantasy and if that's her overwhelming fantasy and she doesn't want anyone to know...

Quite possibly - in which case selling herself as insatiable SexedUpDildoQueen was perhaps not the wisest of moves. It all adds to the overwhelming impression of Sam as an utterly unsensual individual. It's notable that, when words fail her, she relies upon her physical charms, such as they are - hence the excrutiating 'lap dance'.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:02 / 16.06.05
It was soooo painful to watch and poor Anthony...

and Colin Farrell? Mayhap this will allow us to understand her better. Isn't he a renowned womaniser?
 
 
Ganesh
00:05 / 16.06.05
and Colin Farrell? Mayhap this will allow us to understand her better. Isn't he a renowned womaniser?

He is - and what turned her on was "men who know what they want in bed" (or something) ie. being the passive object/receptacle of other, more assertive, people's sexual desires.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:13 / 16.06.05
She's certainly horribly self-conscious about sex but then, what isn't she self-conscious about?
 
 
Ganesh
00:16 / 16.06.05
I think that's why Sam's making people uncomfortable. She's globally self-conscious, with nothing beneath the facade (or rather, nothing within easy reach beneath the facade). She inhabits her body clumsily, but seems to have no mode of engagement other than her body. I can't help wondering what sort of upbringing produces a Sam; she really is ill-equipped.
 
 
Ganesh
00:20 / 16.06.05
Hmm. Drag seems to free Derek...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:20 / 16.06.05
A very dominating one?

This is definitely my favourite Big Brother night of this series, it's really getting to them, the way to identity in these shows always seem to be through attraction... Kemal seemed quite uncomfortable with Derek when they were in the lookout together.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:21 / 16.06.05
He certainly seemed to enjoy being glamorous.
 
 
Ganesh
00:27 / 16.06.05
Kemal seemed quite uncomfortable with Derek when they were in the lookout together.

He did, didn't he? But then, I think Derek (for all his enjoyment of being a glamorous femme fatale) didn't really know what to do or say in a 'romantic' situation (hence all the "I'll follow wherever you want to go" stuff). He seemed to get excited/embarrassed relatively quickly, cutting the scene short with the whole "ohhh, I've come" gambit; I think Kemal sensed his discomfort.

Kemal with Roberto was more interesting. Roberto's octopoid tentacles and unexpectedly convincing breathiness seemed to genuinely shake Kemal ("I thought he was going to snog me").

Agreed, though: this has been the most entertaining night so far (with the possible exception of the laugh-out-loud Max/Crag/Anthony-in-boxes huuuuge head conversation).
 
 
Shrug
00:35 / 16.06.05
Yes the Anthony/Makosi conversation was painful it made me squirmmmmm. He was practically monosyllabic and has a bad case of the "likes".
Semi threadrot: Are submissive usually extroverts or introverts does it apply? Is Sam a natural introvert and submissive consciously raging against it (seeing it as sociably unacceptable) but her very nature debilitating any success?

Still getting the Toad of toadhall vibe from D. especially with the headscarf and manic laughing (as when Toad escapes from jail in the washerwomans clothes). The more I think of Derek as having some of Toad's qualities the more I like him. Toad being a little ridiculous (and courts it), a little mad and wild, full of extravagance, a little sly (but not as much as he would like to think), capable of vanity and malice but ultimately quite likeable. (of course I believe Derek is far shrewder than Toad ever could be).
 
 
Ganesh
00:50 / 16.06.05
Are submissive usually extroverts or introverts does it apply? Is Sam a natural introvert and submissive consciously raging against it (seeing it as sociably unacceptable) but her very nature debilitating any success?

Whole load of assumptions tied up here, making it a difficult question to answer. What's meant by "submissive"?

Sam doesn't really give the impression of an introverted person consciously fighting their introversion. I don't think true introverts survive very long on Big Brother. What's unusual about Sam is that she seems to have very little surface appeal or depth - still waters run shallow - and, although she's consciously marketed herself as SexedUpFeministChick, she seems as clunkily self-conscious at the business of sex as she is with everything else. She doesn't seem to have a natural milieu.

She seems truly impoverished, personality-wise. I've always assumed that people who present this way are actually incredibly turbulent deep, deep down - but, having briefly gone out with a fellow medic known as Mrs Parkinson (on account of her apparently parkinsonian lack of expression or strong feeling for anything) and failed to provoke any spark of passion (and, in the interests of psychiatric curiosity, I did my utmost), I cautiously believe that some people really are, to all intents and purposes, emotionally barren.

After this evening, Sam seems like wasted space. She's my favourite to go.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:00 / 16.06.05
I don't think Sam is emotionally barren, I think she's so nervous that it's swallowed all of her other emotion. I don't know what to make of it, when I think about the type of background that makes someone constantly nervous and unable to settle down it makes me nervous.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:03 / 16.06.05
I wonder if one of her parents is a very emotionally cold person or if she has a sibling who took up all of their attention? If she was more upset I would think she was a victim of some kind of abuse... but then maybe she was bullied a lot when she was younger, which constitutes a type of abuse.
 
 
Ganesh
01:10 / 16.06.05
If she were more overtly troubled, I'd say she were the victim of serious childhood abuse - and I guess I'm talking something more than simply lacking attention. She doesn't have that 'feel' about her, though. She comes across as an empty person who's consciously spun a tattered, unconvincing SexPersona to cover the yawning chasm. There might be a wealth of emotional riches wayyy at the bottom of that chasm, or there might not. In any case, I'm not sure we're ever likely to access it in the Big Brother House.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:20 / 16.06.05
Well she doesn't strike me as someone who's actually seeking attention or someone who lacks *any* emotional depth, after all we've seen her insecurity very clearly, it's power that she lacks for me, the power to back up the emotions she feels in anyway. There's no assertion in her. I just think there's a lurking sadness about her that she can't push forward enough for anyone to see and I don't think it's a serious sadness but the reason I brought up the dominating part is that I wondered if she has a domineering father or comes from a very repressed family. That for me is quite an abusive environment for a girl because there are things that happen with you that you can never talk about.
 
 
Ganesh
01:30 / 16.06.05
I'm not sure. I think there might well be a lack of emotional depth. I mean, sure, we've seen her responding to bullying, we've seen her distressed - but it's all seemed rather reactive. Her equilibrium tends toward the shallows.

As I say, it may well be that there's deeper stuff there, but I don't think it's especially accessible. We're not really seeing beyond the paper-thin SexedUp persona - or rather, we are, but we're not glimpsing anything but the basic minimum of social life signs. Nothing proactive, nothing assertive, nothing convincingly visceral.

I don't think she's especially desperate for attention either; even her attention-seeking seems lacklustre and half-hearted. If she were a neglected sibling, say, she might've developed more ingenious/cunning ways of competing. She doesn't even seem to compete much; she just... hangs around the fringes.

Have her parents been interviewed anywhere? I'd love some sort of clue.
 
 
Ganesh
01:32 / 16.06.05
And yeah, even if there's a sadness there, it seems a peculiarly mediocre sadness. A humdrum, passive, accepting 'always the bridesmaid' kind of sadness.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:49 / 16.06.05
She just strikes me as the kind of girl who had to keep her tampons in a draw in her room, which probably would inspire a mediocre kind of sadness.

The only thing I've heard about her is a supposed comment from her dad saying 'I just hope she doesn't have sex in the house.' I think that's a weird thing to say about your kid but I don't know if he actually said it.
 
 
Ganesh
01:55 / 16.06.05
That's the thing. I suspect that any sort of 'abuse' has been humdrum, dreary, mediocre... but deadening - so her 'rebellion' (waving a dildo around and claiming she's reeeally horrrny) is equally meh. I'm imagining both parents with stereotypical side-partings, horn-rimmed glasses and oppressive silences.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:57 / 16.06.05
Enforced Scrabble.
 
 
Ganesh
02:00 / 16.06.05
Trudging back over pebbles and sand.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:30 / 16.06.05
"Sam why do you always get your clothes dirty!?"

Ah, that's why she always wears bikinis!
 
 
Ganesh
02:38 / 16.06.05
Of course, there's also the fact that Sam's had a boob job - and, given that she's got pretty small breasts (a B-cup? at most?), I'm guessing she had a fairly miserable adolescence waiting to 'develop' and feeling like a freak. Could it be that breast augmentation's lead to a relatively late surge of pseudo-confidence ('pseudo' because confidence isn't, I don't think, something she's evolved naturally over time), making her push herself into situations she'd previously have avoided?

Is it all about the tits?
 
  

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