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Big Brother: Revenge of the Sixth.

 
  

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Evil Scientist
09:25 / 08.06.05
I found both the photos reasonably amusing, but then I'm a vicious little ape.

Apparently Maxwell and Anthony have requested booze from Big Brother in order to "get the girls drunk". Maxwell is of the opinion that the girl's are more flirty when they've had a few.

So, get the girls drunk and take advantage of them. Sounds like a plan with no ethical problems.

BB refused them drink on those grounds so they asked for it to be a challenge. They reckoned they could down twelve of anything BB presented them with as long as it wasn't bodily fluids, or dangerous, or wine (because they are real men).
 
 
Ganesh
10:35 / 08.06.05
Ganesh, actually I was referring to the "Derek and Science help Sam search for her bikini" comment, which I presume is yours.

Yes, of course. I wasn't immediately aware which of my body fascistastic photos you were referring to there. Sam isn't even particularly thin (I don't think she's anorectic, anyway), but when I saw the photo of the medical task, she immediately jumped to mind - and I'm attempting to focus in on why I should've mentally associated her with a skeleton. I suspect it's because, whatever the weather, she's worn so little around the House (that pink gingham bikini, essentially) that she seems bonier than she really is. I think of her somehow as stripped (presumably, by Nina's reasoning, for the male gaze) and, in some ways, a skeleton is the absurd-logical extension of that (a la Robbie Williams' Rock DJ video). She reminds me of Ally McBeal, another bony, birdlike child-woman who irritated the tits off me.

As I said previously, I posted the Moonpig photo here because I saw (and still, to a certain extent, see) her as foul in her behaviour toward Sam: I connected with that photo more because it emphasised Moonpig's monstrosity than because it exaggerated her weight (although exaggerations of weight either way probably is how we visualise/depict women as monsters, with me being no exception). It was inspired by my feelings about the "inner Moonpig", in the same way, I think, as the skeleton's probably how I picture Sam's inner being. Moonpig = bloated, monstrous, dictatorial; Sam = stripped, bony, empty. Probably fits with the idea of them as flipsides of each other's monstrousness...
 
 
Ganesh
10:47 / 08.06.05
... not to defend Sam particularly, but it does look as if she's suffering at the moment because she's failed to, erm, 'bond' with anyone so far ( to the extent that it's even possible in this year's seething rat-pit, ) rather than because of anything intrinsically awful about her personality.

Yes, but why has she failed to bond? With anyone at all - male, female, gay, straight, bi - to the extent that even potential 'allies' within the House seem to hold her in faint contempt, bored indifference at best. Could it be because of something intrinsically awful about her personality (or at least the way she chooses to express/suppress it)?
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:49 / 08.06.05
Moonpig's comment on Big Brother last night, that if they weren't in the BB house then she'd deal with Sam by giving her a slap, pretty much sums up her personality.

It says a lot about the level of dislike between housemates at the moment that no-one is telling her to back off a little. Presumably they're all of the opinion that if Sam cracks and leaves the house under her own steam then that's one less person between them and the money.

Probably Sam or Saskia out this week I reckon.
 
 
Ganesh
10:57 / 08.06.05
Probably Sam or Saskia out this week I reckon.

Saskia? Why do you think she'd be a public favourite to go? She came out of the argument with Mary reasonably well, she's relating to the rest of the House on a relatively 'normal' level (compared with many of the others) and there's the burgeoning (and oddly endearing) 'thing' with Maxwell, which is almost always protective.

I think Craig or Moonpig, possibly Roberto.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
11:04 / 08.06.05
Alas, I think Craig is in the running, but possibly Science or Moonpig depending on public reaction to the whole water bomb episode.

Science or Moonpig? I know which I'd rather study.
 
 
Shrug
11:17 / 08.06.05
It probably would have been Sam previous to the bag hiding although it hasn't illicited as much of a pity response as I had expected. A;hough she has this really weird positioning in most of her diary room conversations: almost loping gait disconcerting head bent from under her brow stare. Sit up straight and look at the camera properly will you?
 
 
Ganesh
11:29 / 08.06.05
almost loping gait disconcerting head bent from under her brow stare

Almost comically submissive, isn't it? One could imagine her peering out from under a Princess Diana fringe. Nina points out the contrast in Sam and Moonpig: they both offer themselves up for the male gaze, but Moonpig does so aggressively (bares tits, holds them up like a bowl of fruit, calls attention to them) while Sam is meek, 'shy', almost apologetic.

One of the reasons the skeleton made me think of Sam, I think, is its posture and the angle of its skull. Slightly slumped, eye-sockets tilted downwards.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:35 / 08.06.05
Moonpig the favourite to be evicted.

I have to say this mass nomination thing is quite refreshing. It allows the public to take a shot at the people with long-term survival chances due to avoiding nominations.

It'll be a tough old week if the Lesley and Sam both stay in the house.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:01 / 08.06.05
If this keeps up - and if it's shown in the highlights program - Moonpig's not really got a hope in hell of seeing the week out. Frighteningly, I might be about to do a complete U-turn on Maxwell - the forumites over there are saying that he's also taken Sam aside and given her a bit of a "you're not really doing yourself any favours" talking to.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:02 / 08.06.05
What no BB show has done yet (i think) is to simply not tell them the two eviction nominees (the usual weekly quota) are.

easy way of creating para vibe.

might as well get rid of vanessa this week - would like to see how lesley survives without her, with only craig (the 'average' of British youth today) as direct ally.

anyway, no surprise that roberto cunta (yes) has a problem with respect.

Can't imagine too many kids not creasing their knacks whenever they had to ask Sir, a question.

"Um, Mr CUNTa Sir, can i go to the toilet?"

To me, he is the strangest guy on the show.
 
 
Ganesh
14:22 / 08.06.05
Thought his surname was Conti, as in Tom?

Not sure if I'd say he were the strangest person there, but I agree Roberto's a distinctly odd 32 year old. It's hard to get a sense of what's driving him, why he wants to be there. On the one hand, he likes and expects the authority that comes with being an adult; on the other, he's willing to get into frankly silly arguments with people a hop and skip away from half his age, has little sense of when to back down, and needlessly escalates the pettiest of disputes - then seems hurt by the ensuing negativity, and seeks reassurance (he did this most of all with Mary).

His willingness to lecture Kemal on his relationship with people Roberto had never met, from a cultural background other than his own, about something he'd never experienced and never will experience was jaw-droppingly inappropriate, particularly when he kept hammering away at the same point (essentially, "you've wronged your parents") in the face of Kemal's obvious discomfort.

Stereotypical PE teacher: authoritarian, moralising, lacking in social skills and thick as pigshit.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:30 / 08.06.05
Don't you just hate it when you have to pretend to be nice to someone you viciously dislike. Oh the falsitude of it all
 
 
Ganesh
20:58 / 08.06.05
I suspect it's partly Endemol covering their backs legally; they've "taken steps" to address Moonpig's threatening behaviour (her talk of Sam being beaten up, etc.). Also, they may be pooping themselves slightly at the thought of Moonpig possibly being evicted and having the worst reception ever.

Luckily, she got her bestest non-camp, straight-acting buddy to do at least some of the talking, and together they managed to use the 'apology' as a means of spinning against Max and Anthony, the people who actually stood up for Sam earlier. Nice work, Team Britney.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:07 / 08.06.05
Lesley clear favourite to be evicted Friday according to the bookies. Always the women who go in the first few weeks is it not?

I am finding watching the show very difficult due to intense dislike of almost all contestants and their boorish, boring, bullying behaviour.

Enjoying much more the blow by blow, moment by moment transcript by the good (but frighteningly obsessed) people on digitalspy.co.uk very much.

Tonight's gem: Science thinks that they should be like the birds outside, working together, like a unit. Heh.

His knowledge of ornithology gleaned solely from Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds then? I was beginning to warm to him a little too.
 
 
Ganesh
21:09 / 08.06.05
He's talking about the six-legged birds who make the birdshit y'spread on toast.
 
 
Ganesh
00:02 / 09.06.05
This evening's edited highlights have apparently pushed up Sam's chances of being evicted this Friday - so it's looking like her or Moonpig to go, with Craig escaping by dressing up as a woman. Again. Good job he's not being camp or anything like that.

Rumours of a hidden bedsit again this year, with a tasteful 'n' topical 'gulag' theme. Guantanamo Deluxe:



Very Saw.
 
 
Ganesh
00:59 / 09.06.05
Hm. Very Big Brother: Germany, apparently. Oh well...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:28 / 09.06.05
I might vote Craig out actually. He's constantly going on about how 'mermermer was saying this behind your back. I would never talk about people in that way' and I'm like jesusfuck man you were whispering about people on the first night. All you do is insult people while they're in other rooms you twisted little hypocrite. But it's not primarily the hypocrisy that disturbs me, it's that he actually seems to believe his absurd myth, I mean he hates people saying that he's gay but is saying that Anthony might be right now. What a bastard. Take him out of the house and it would probably start to calm down and as I'm not enjoying the fights...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:29 / 09.06.05
No sense of honour or grace or decorum. Ugly toad hairdresser.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:14 / 09.06.05
yeah ganesh - my mistake.

it does appear to be conte - still plenty of room for abuse there.

IMO Craig is the end product of the BB phenomena; a punter who has been obsessed wiith the show since its inception, grew up with it in fact, and is now able to participate in a BB house and show; and now he's relishing it.

For me, he's the most self conscious player; he's actually acting like a 'viewer' who is inside the house.

He represents all those punters who say, "If I was in the house I'd do this . . .that...blah"

He is pure BB.

and Derek makes me think of the chief black enuch to the ottoman sultans.

I think Makosi is bored too and will volunteer to leave.

Any comments on the pyscho-spatial characteristics of the house? external shower for example? 'hard' colours? And the isolation of the living room?

Having the living room removed from the flow internal spaces makes entering it a little more daunting for isolated individuals, no?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:21 / 09.06.05
I am finding watching the show very difficult due to intense dislike of almost all contestants and their boorish, boring, bullying behaviour.

I'm feeling a bit like this as well, but thought it might just have been because I'd not watched it as much as I did last year. Other than being nasty to each other, I'm really not sure what they all do all day. Sam's having a bit of a meltdown, obviously, but watching her swear isn't brilliant television. Unless she's swearing at Roberto.

It could also be because on Tuesday I just caught the end of it, and all I saw was Vanessa saying "I love you Craig, I really do." Bleurgh.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:37 / 09.06.05
Craig seems to be feeling a bit more chipper again, doesn't he ? I'm quite looking forward to the inevitable screaming tantrum when he's up for eviction again.

( What's the betting, incidentally, that once he's kicked out the house he'll claim the tears in week one were all part of his g***pl*n - 'Well of course I knew get their sympathy...' ? What a cunt, eh viewers ? )
 
 
Essential Dazzler
14:04 / 09.06.05
Ah, Craig has become my favourite housemate. His outrage at being called camp just got on my tits, but now he's found undeniable proof that Anthony is gay (He didn't imediately answer with homophobic violence like Maxwell when asked a hypothetical question), and his assertion that he is the straightest guy in the house have just pushed him into the comically absurd.

Oh, almost forgot the conversation with Vanessa about how he doesn't like to talk about sex, like Anthony and Maxwell, because he doesn't particularly enjoy doing it. Maybe he should try something a little different.
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:22 / 09.06.05
Have to echo the sentiments of those people who say they’re finding it hard to watch (or, rather, easy NOT to watch( this year; I’ve watched and guiltily enjoyed the previous years’ series, even bought the books and videos etc, but this time round I’m finding it very hard to engage in any way, let alone give a stuff about, any of the people in the house.

I watch a few minutes, see some stupid behaviour or non-interesting conversation, and there don’t seem to be any people there who have much brain or self-awareness, and it’s all too easily to switch off my television set. Where is this year’s Dan ? Or Brian? Or Kate ? You know, people who are a bit flawed and a bit daft, but who at least seem like people ?

I note that few people posting here seem to be feeling much of an obvious and unreserved* connection to anyone in the house – are they all fundamentally unlikable this year, do you think?

*By which I mean stuff like people playing at liking Mary because of the fun of watching her stare at everyone in a scary way, or perversely claiming to like ‘Moonpig’ because… well, no-one else does. That kind of thing.
 
 
Char Aina
14:58 / 09.06.05
You know, people who are a bit flawed and a bit daft, but who at least seem like people ?


dont you think there are people like the current thirteen?
i think their chat is just like real people's chat is; crap.
there are loads of people who socialise like these guys do.
they just dont always come into contact with you or each other.
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:04 / 09.06.05
Fair point, my comments may have sounded socially snobby, though I’d kinda split hairs and say that they don’t seem like 13 separate people; more like 13 minor variations on the same person – there seems to be more emphasis on traits like selfishness and short-temperedness than other years, though that might be the rosy glow of nostalgia on my part.

I’ll give it another try tonight. Oh, no, hang on, that Hugh Laurie thing’s on five, so maybe not…
 
 
Smoothly
15:35 / 09.06.05
Is that the thing where Hugh Laurie plays the sardonic, self-regarding, abrasive know-it-all? What’s it called again?
 
 
DaveBCooper
16:08 / 09.06.05
'Peter's Friends', I think.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:37 / 09.06.05
I'm seriously warming to Maxwell.

His blackboard request to Dr Big when he 'lost his voice' was really quite poetic; "I'm not happy. I feel like Roberto without food, Kemal without Stillettos, Saskia without a toilet. It's all I know how to do. Please make me better."

And his 'giving Dr Big the finger drawing' was pretty cool, too.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:49 / 09.06.05
Was there a reason for Derek suddenly acting the prick with Sam there, or had he just decided that he needed to show some aggression with the evictions coming up? What a tit.

Talking of which, running nekkid in the garden is so last year. Possibly older. Doubling the boobage doesn't make it any more interesting.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:52 / 09.06.05
However, Maxwell is the only person I'm really warming to. Which is worrying in itself.

I don't know why this year everyone seems so uninspiring, but there's not even anyone I love to hate. You know, just now even running the bath seemed more interesting than watching.

I'm devastated.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:25 / 09.06.05
Running nekked in the garden is all they have. (I was going to add 'left', but I think I might leave it at that.)

Far more interesting was Lesley's comment about it: ("Are you doing the nakedness thing now then?")

I can't work out whether she actually was pretty uninterested or if it was just an attempt to appear so. Given that she got her bits out about two hours into the show, and taking into consideration her horrible playground relationship with Sam, I think she was probably trying to appear casual about it but actually it was a big deal to her.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:23 / 09.06.05
I'm not entirely convinced that it's coincidence that she decided, out of the blue, to try her eviction outfit on about half an hour after the display of boobage. With hilarious consequences.

Yes, I'm now beginning to get hooked.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:35 / 09.06.05
I was also quite amused by her response to BB calling her on her behaviour towards the vapid one - "I'm not a violent person. Sometimes there's nothing else to say to a person except... words."

I dunno. You could always try saying "I'd smack your fucking face in if we weren't in here" in morse code, repeatedly clacking your tongue against the top of your mouth. Or maybe signalling your intention to do so with a series of animal noises.

In fact, imagine how much more entertaining the show would be if they did something like that. Somebody get Boboss' mum in here, stat.
 
  

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