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Big Brother: Revenge of the Sixth.

 
  

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Char Aina
10:18 / 03.06.05
Plus she thinks Science is some kind of genius!

yeah.
all this talk of science's skills...
if he's a mad-mental-battler from the gansta-ghetto-hood then why can't he argue for shit?

"not only are you stupid, but you look dumb!"

sheesh.
 
 
tea and biscuits
10:26 / 03.06.05
Oh yeah, who was Derek was talking about when he said "He's not likely to say no to sleeping with me, is he?"

That was in fact Big Brother, he was explaining how he couldn't understand him but he would if he got to sleep with him. (Cue above quote.)

At the moment I'm wavering between wanting Mary and Craig to go. Mary's smackdown of Roberto was hilarious (even more so considering his reason for coming in there "Can I have a hug?") and I think her ever-shifting world view will result in some fantastic house dynamics if she stays in. Especially now she thinks that the majority of the house is out to get her.

As for Craig, well, his close alliance with Lesley and Vanessa is far more interesting than Anthony's parade of bad shirts. (Am I the only one who can't really distinguish between the two boys?)
 
 
Ganesh
10:31 / 03.06.05
Anthony's the one who's more developed than a plant. He says.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:38 / 03.06.05
Oh, how I wish I'd been there when he'd said that.

Let's see you photosynthesise then you never-read-a-book oxygen breathing moron.

Although I suspect he probably can reproduce asexually. He certainly loves himself that way and with sufficient lust.
 
 
Spaniel
10:49 / 03.06.05
I have to say the tension between Craig's proclaimed straightness and his absurdly camp persona is beginning to interest me.

That he denys that he's camp is utterly incredible. I mean, talk about being in denial.
My feeling is that he knows how he comes across, that he actively works to reinforce a camp persona, but for some reason doesn't want to admit to it.
Perhaps he's gay and doesn't want to face it consciously, but is trying to engineer a situation where his behaviour will force the world of teh gay upon him. Perhaps he just likes wearing a camp outfit but wants to distinguish between being camp and being gay (if so, he's being mighty inarticulate).
 
 
Spaniel
10:51 / 03.06.05
I can't help thinking that his age must come into it, also.

At 19 he's pretty much a kid.
 
 
Ganesh
11:18 / 03.06.05
I can't help thinking that his age must come into it, also.

At 19 he's pretty much a kid.


Sure, but he's a kid who, even allowing for BB exaggeration, has achieved a lot in terms of setting up and managing a hairdressing business. When he talks about this, it's clear that, for a teenager, he's got a lot of responsibility. I've occasionally come across individuals who've disproportionately poured themselves into the Career box - either because work/career advancement is hugely important to them, or because they're using it as a distraction from other areas of their life - to the extent that they're complete novices when it comes to self-exploration. Craig could be one of those. Even if he himself is unbelievably well-defended against the idea that he might be gay (and he seemed to read 'camp' pretty much as 'gay'), it's difficult to imagine how a male running a hairdressing salon could be ignorant of the default assumptions generally made of male hairdressers. When Sam suggested he was "camp", Craig reacted as if a) he'd been grievously insulted, and b) this was the first time anyone had ever said it.

If his persona is contrived, he's superhumanly good at compartmentalisation to appear so instantly angry/outraged. At the moment, I'm tending to the view that, for whatever reason, he's utterly neglected serious examination/exploration of his own sexuality, and has instead thrown himself into work (work traditionally associated with teh gayers, oddly enough). Now he doesn't have work as a distraction, I'll be interested to see whether he unravels in a good or a bad way.

Craig is a creature of contradictions. He seems, to me, to be someone who'd much rather be loved than hated, but would rather be hated than ignored. He's a shy, (over)sensitive soul who nonetheless made the most antagonistic audition video ever. He's apparently appalled by the merest suggestion of poofery, but entered (and has excelled in) a profession where poofery is the norm. He's not going to 'diminish his soul' (or whatever) merely to be popular, but he'll perform a strained Britney drag act, apparently to appear 'fun'.

Given some of his vocabulary ("evil", "soul"), I wonder about his experience of religion, whether some sort of fundie upbringing's powering some of this compartmentalisation/denial/self-loathing.
 
 
Spaniel
11:32 / 03.06.05
Do we actually know anything about Craig's salon? Did he set it up off his own back, has he got rich parents (did they help get him started - are they still helping?), how long has it been going for, has a got a business partner (partners?), is it a success?

Whilst I like your suggestion that Craig has been distracting himself/been distracted by work, I can't help wondering how much truth there is to Craig's salon story.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:32 / 03.06.05
So who do people reckon are dealing with the Big Brother experience the best currently?

Kamal and Makosi for my money.

Makosi got a headstart on playing headgames with the others thanks to Big Brother providing a carte blanche with her secret mission. She seems to have dropped in back a notch now. But dodging her first week of nominations must have been a bit of a boost.

Kamal's dealt better than most with the constant arguments, and he shrugged off the dunking experience quickly. I have to admit I rated him as this year's Marco, but the guy's far smarter than than most in there.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:44 / 03.06.05
Maxwell is awful, and the worst bit of the argument he had with Kemal was his obnoxious 'logic': Kemal doesn't dress as flamboyantly all the time outside the house (presumably for fear of getting a battering from bigots like Maxwell), therefore he must only be doing it for the cameras!
 
 
Ganesh
11:59 / 03.06.05
Do we actually know anything about Craig's salon? Did he set it up off his own back, has he got rich parents (did they help get him started - are they still helping?), how long has it been going for, has a got a business partner (partners?), is it a success?

We know virtually nothing about it.

Whilst I like your suggestion that Craig has been distracting himself/been distracted by work, I can't help wondering how much truth there is to Craig's salon story.

This is what makes speculation about housemates backgrounds speculation. From the snippets I've heard of him talking about it, it seems a large part of his personal make-up, possibly the only part of his persona that isn't built on shifting sand. He certainly talks the talk in terms of desirable qualities in junior stylists, how he'd like to expand (he'd put the prize money toward a second salon), so I've chosen to accept that, allowing for the usual BB bullshit and exaggeration, he's in a senior position in 'his own' salon, and has a certain degree of skill and experience - and is able to discuss work in a way I certainly couldn't at 19.

But yes, ultimately, it could all be fabrication.
 
 
Ganesh
12:05 / 03.06.05
Maxwell is awful, and the worst bit of the argument he had with Kemal was his obnoxious 'logic': Kemal doesn't dress as flamboyantly all the time outside the house (presumably for fear of getting a battering from bigots like Maxwell), therefore he must only be doing it for the cameras!

Yes, the power of situation is somewhat lost on Maxwell, isn't it? If you're not acting like you do "dahn the boozer", you're clearly a fakelicious attention-whore. The fact that the House is not a "beer garden" (copyright Derek Laud, 2005) apparently carries no weight.

I agree that Kemal and Makosi are coping best (as well as having the most consistently misspelt names - can't we manage Foreign?) but Moonpig's actually doing pretty well too.

When's Vanessa gonna start turning the gayers straight?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:06 / 03.06.05
Flyboy, that's almost word for word what I said at the time of that discussion...Walking around Liverpool in a Sari and heels would no doubt result in Team Maxwell putting him in hospital for being a 'mincer'.

Can someone make a good Maxwell House joke please. Was that the ad with the Gareth Hunt doing the 'wanker' beans?

Gareth Hunt sounds like good cockerney to me, and there must be a gag in there somewhere.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:07 / 03.06.05
Moonpig got no nominations, am I right?
 
 
Spaniel
12:09 / 03.06.05
To be fair, I haven't actually watched much BB this series and my exposure to Craig has been very limited, so I haven't heard him talk the talk. Sure, it could be fabrication, but like you I'm inclined to believe that it's the truth - at least, I am now that you've added some meat to Craig's bone.

Innterestung
 
 
Ganesh
12:10 / 03.06.05
Moonpig got no nominations, am I right?

Yep. I suspect being bottom of the pecking order of female attractiveness and having come to accept this with (mostly) good humour (disappointing the producers, no doubt), Moonpig's seen as a non-threat to the extent that she's disappeared off most people's radar.
 
 
electricinca
12:11 / 03.06.05
Yes Lesley received no nominations, I don't feel comfortable calling her Moonpig now I've warmed to her.

I would think that Craig has had some help from his family to set up his salon perhaps they are wealthy or in the business already. But it seems unlikely to me that a bank would be willing to give a 19 year old a loan to set up their own hairdressing business.

But this question pales into insignificance compared with the question of who has the larger breasts, Saskia or Lesley?

I've become convinced that Lesley is wearing the wrong size bra because she's repeatedly said that Saskia's bra is a size larger and yet from what little I've seen Saskia seems to have smaller tits than Lesley.
 
 
electricinca
12:13 / 03.06.05
Craig is so clearly not camp.
 
 
Ganesh
12:29 / 03.06.05
Yes Lesley received no nominations, I don't feel comfortable calling her Moonpig now I've warmed to her.

'Moonpig' is a nice name! It's better than 'Lesleh', anyway...

I would think that Craig has had some help from his family to set up his salon perhaps they are wealthy or in the business already. But it seems unlikely to me that a bank would be willing to give a 19 year old a loan to set up their own hairdressing business.

Agreed, when I say Craig has "set up" his hairdressing business, it's highly unlikely that he's done so from the ground up, with no backing whatsoever. Spendy parents, etc. seems a greater likelihood. As I say, though, I'm impressed enough by his business/management-speak to believe that he occupies a position of considerable responsibility one way or another. Recalling how shit I was at anything like at 19 (and still am now, really), I'm speculating that, even allowing for BB bullshit, he's achieved something impressive in the career sphere.

This interests me because it might go some way to explaining his apparent lack of self-awareness in other important areas of his life. I'm familiar with the concept of individuals using work as a distraction from 'issues' - particularly sexual 'issues' - which, if examined, would make them anxious/uncomfortable/distressed. Transsexuals, for example, not infrequently achieve great things because they've consciously diverted their energy into career advancement.

It's only a theory; I may be barking up the wrong tree altogether. If this is the route Craig's taken, it's ironic that his chosen field of distraction (presumably from ego-dystonic homosexuality - although it could be anything, really) is a traditionally fuhlaming one. Also interesting that he's seemingly contrived a Destroyer persona specifically to get onto Big Brother and hence deprive himself of his distraction activity (work) and greatest coping mechanism.

I've no idea if any of this rings true. It interests me, though, more than Mary's predictably passive-aggressive faux-witchery - which is why I'd vote for her to be ducked and sunk, and Craig to float for a while longer.
 
 
electricinca
12:38 / 03.06.05
I think your theory is sound Ganesh at least based on the scant information we have.

Craig may or may not be gay but his reaction to be labelled as camp would indicate that his sexuality is an issue that he hasn't really begin to address.
 
 
Ganesh
12:39 / 03.06.05
More Kemal-dunking. Everyone else gets splashed; he gets dumped in the pool, fully-clothed.

What are the hetboys communicating here?
 
 
electricinca
12:40 / 03.06.05
The housemates contemplate fame and life after Big Brother

Maxwell kicked it off by saying, "It's exciting now, but hopefully when we get out it will be a different class." Saskia quickly responded, "It will, but it's going to be a bit scary."

Dancer Anthony should be used to getting attention in his profession, but he agreed with Saskia, "It will be (scary). You won't be able to do normal s*** without people f****** noticing."

Still worried about the outside world post Big Brother, Saskia said "I know it sounds pathetic, but going to the sweet shop even, for a little while, everyone will know you." Pausing long enough for her Housemates to agree, she continued, "I know we are thinking 'yeah wicked' but it will be a little bit scary."

Thinking for a moment about the effects Big Brother will have on her life, Saskia concluded "but I'll still love it!" Her Housemates were all quick to agree with that one.


It constantly amazes me that they can still get contestants for this show as apart from a small few the Big Brother experience brings for the housemates all the negative aspects of fame with few of the positive aspects.

They experience a loss of privacy and anonymity that most people enjoy but mostly don't receive the financial rewards that are usually associated with fame that would allow them to insulate themselves from the prying eyes of the world. At least until the next series of BB hits the screen and we become obsessed with yet another dozen soon-to-be z-list celebrities.
 
 
Ganesh
12:44 / 03.06.05
According to the live feeds, Craig's overriding ambition - and a dream he hopes BB will help him achieve - is to be admitted to the VIP room of Liquid nightclub (or quite possibly 'niteclub'), Norwich.

Reach for the staaaaars!
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:51 / 03.06.05
I definitely think Craig needs to stay in...This whole televisual outing of himself is much more intriguing than Stary Mary.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:03 / 03.06.05
I'm hoping there's a massive disruption of the cameras and mikes two hours before the eviction. When everything comes back on Mary's missing and none of the housemates have any memory of her. The few cameramen who remember anything claim to have seen a bright light.

Mary later found wandering in Nottingham with all her bodily organs stripped out and replaced with cameras that do nothing but watch each other.
 
 
Ganesh
13:09 / 03.06.05
I definitely think Craig needs to stay in...This whole televisual outing of himself is much more intriguing than Stary Mary.

I'm not sure he will out himself (even to himself). I'd like to think he might - or might at least examine the issue a little more closely - but then, I also initially had high hopes for Spambo last year, and that came to nowt. Mind you, Craig probably doesn't have the option of retreating into contrived uberhet James Bond machismo the way Jason did. He'd make an extreeemely unlikely Jungle Cat...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:56 / 03.06.05
At least someone was interested in the Spambot though - I suspect the main problem Craig will encounter in whatever voyage of sexual discovery he may or may not have planned is a basic lack of fellow travellers.

Is anyone else slightly reminded of a certain sailor-suited young man who used to appear in Viz ?
 
 
Ganesh
14:02 / 03.06.05
At least someone was interested in the Spambot though - I suspect the main problem Craig will encounter in whatever voyage of sexual discovery he may or may not have planned is a basic lack of fellow travellers.

I don't think he'd necessarily need chocolate rubbed into his buttocks. A little time without the distraction of work in the company of those who have thought (or are in the process of thinking) about their sexuality might do the trick.

Is anyone else slightly reminded of a certain sailor-suited young man who used to appear in Viz ?

Slightly. More convinced by this:

 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:02 / 03.06.05
I don't feel comfortable calling her Moonpig now I've warmed to her.

But Moonpig's a name that's like that part of Peter and the Wolf, y'know, la la la la lala la la la la la la la la lerla lerla lerlala. Happy.
 
 
■
19:27 / 03.06.05
Poor Mary. She was annoying, but a mile better than Shirley.
 
 
tea and biscuits
21:04 / 03.06.05
It may just be the way they're editing it, but Sam doesn't seem to do anything but scowl in every clip they've shown for the past three days.

Well, scowl or profess "horniness". Did that Diary Room clip come off as extremely fake to anyone else? I was actually embarrassed for her whilst watching it, it seemed entirely designed to shock and by the end looked like even she didn't really believe what she was saying. It also seems to be just what everyone's been raging about against Big Brother from the first series, "omg they just all want to have sex on camera!!!".
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:59 / 03.06.05
Ah, I liked Mary, but only because of that accent.
The thing that's put me off getting to far into BB this year is the arguments.
Everytime I tune in, an argument is going on, which wouldn't be so bad if anyone in the house knew how to deal with conflict.
Every argument makes all the house mates involved seem incredibly drunk, all they do is shout their point of view as loud as possible untill the offender walks away.
 
 
Shrug
22:37 / 03.06.05
DerekLaud

Originally linked on popbitch. Hmmm.
 
 
Ganesh
22:39 / 03.06.05
Poor Mary. She was annoying, but a mile better than Shirley.

Where 'better than' = 'more stereotypical than'.

I'm surprised that the (supposed) witch has been voted out, but very gratified. Watching the interview now; will comment shortly.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:39 / 04.06.05
'She had it fucking coming to her, the wanker...' ?
 
  

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