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Big Brother: Revenge of the Sixth.

 
  

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Spaniel
18:16 / 02.06.05
I'm glad you were pulled up, Money. It allowed Ganesh the space to elaborate on the psychiatric testing employed by Endemol, and it's actual utility.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:29 / 02.06.05
I'd say Mary would be more at home on Livejournal than the 'lith.
 
 
Spaniel
18:31 / 02.06.05
Despite the fact that Mary is very annoying, why should we want to vote her out? I say keep the devisive and/or aggressive housemates in.
 
 
Spaniel
18:34 / 02.06.05
Yes, yes, Craig might have a story to tell, and, yes, stories make for the most enteraining housemates, but, well, he might not, and that being the case I think it's safer to stick with the arseholes. For entertainment value, loike.
 
 
Triplets
18:47 / 02.06.05
Yeah, but the house would self-destruct. The candle that burns twice as bright with arseholeism burns out twice as fast.
 
 
Spaniel
18:48 / 02.06.05
Strue, in that case we need to keep select arseholes in. I say Mary should be one of 'em.
 
 
Ganesh
19:03 / 02.06.05
I say it's funnier to see her crash and burn. Burrrn the witch!
 
 
electricinca
19:07 / 02.06.05
Normally that idea would hold true but I just don't find Mary to be an entertaining arsehole. She'll be getting my vote as I'm hoping that Craig will exhibit a little of the potential entertainment value he showed in his audition.

I suspect he won't though as his audition seemed to be an act that he couldn't follow through on once put into the unfamiliar environment of the house.
 
 
electricinca
19:17 / 02.06.05
My reply was in response to Boboss not Ganesh.

I think my biggest problem with Mary is that she reminds me of a girl I worked with a few years ago who labelled herself as a 'Wiccan' as a rebellion against the strict religious upbringing of her parents. She was an obsessive X-files fan and she irritated me on a daily basis.
 
 
Triplets
19:26 / 02.06.05
I want Mary to stay because she's annoying a number of posters here. And that arouses me.
 
 
Ganesh
19:35 / 02.06.05
Normally that idea would hold true but I just don't find Mary to be an entertaining arsehole.

Me neither. I feel I know the type, and she's unlikely to say or do anything really surprising (as opposed to passive-aggressive or contrivedly spoooooky). It's not like Craig's an endless source of fascination, but I would like to see him stay and go some way toward exploring/resolving/getting pissed off about his iffy sexuality.
 
 
Ganesh
20:06 / 02.06.05
Hmm. They should really be ducking Mary rather than Kemal...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:18 / 02.06.05
Sam's wardrobe is really limited isn't it? I've kept quiet about this for a while because I think being in the Big Brother house is rather like being on holiday and I do tend to stroll around in swimwear when in hot countries but... slightly surprised by the fact that she seemingly has so few clothes with her.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:28 / 02.06.05
She has demonstrated great faith in the tropical climate of Borehamwood when she packed. It's not as if she's from the snowy North. She's from Surrey. She should know.

Mary being a psychic and all, I would have felt heartened to see her tripping about in a bikini because I would assume she had spookily intuited a glorious Summer ahead. Sadly she is dressed in acres of bombazine and is usually under the bedclothes these days anyway. Probably expecting hail stones Friday.
 
 
Ganesh
20:34 / 02.06.05
Is Science capable of communicating at any volume below Shrieky?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:43 / 02.06.05
I refuse to diminish my character to survive... I refuse!

This, immediately after complaining that nobody tells him he's pretty.
 
 
w1rebaby
20:45 / 02.06.05
I'll be preferring Craig to go rather than Mary. I respectfully submit, Mr Ganesh, that your viewpoint may not be entirely unjaundiced here.

Granted, I have Internet Disease and through long Livejournal exposure have seen a wide variety of histrionics and odd belief patterns. Bush planned 911? Get a new line. Kidnapped by aliens? *yawn* Seen Jesus in toast? Who hasn't? Nail through the cock? You and a million others. Eels up the bum? Seen it, made the jokes, old hat now.

However, in the context of the orthodoxy expressed in the rest of the house, Mary's particular mode of attention-seeking is actively disturbing. What? She thinks she was kidnapped by aliens? She thinks she's a witch? Whoa! Crazy! She's a fucking nutter! Count the number of threads on digitalspy about Mary vs those about Craig, who is, frankly, just plain dull, sparking no interesting conflicts and not likely to. I find myself unable to give a shit about him at all. Mary's particular mechanisms may be yawnsome in a wider context, but even something ever so slightly out of the ordinary is better than the tedious queenery that is the only thing Craig will inspire.

Mary should probably go at about the third week I reckon. She'll be exhausted playing the role by then and the witchy thing will have been replaced by sheer malice, which is initially amusing but dull in the long term.



Incidentally, over the weekend I had to try to explain to my flatmate what breasts actually meant in a social context, from a conversation about Lesley.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:46 / 02.06.05
I think Craig's really quite fragile and better out of the place.

Mary is Sinéad O'Connor with hair and panstick and will wreak entertaining havoc if she stays. Unless a UFO comes for her soon.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:53 / 02.06.05
And the bookies think it'll be snivelling, camp-moi? Craig out of Friday too.

With Kemal still favourite to win.
Makosi in second place now.
Anthony third. Anthony?
Roberto fourth favourite. His accent is enteratining by itself.

Still very early days.

Although shouty Science irks me, I think the public will want to keep him in there to stir it up. He just can't help getting belligerent. In the outside world someone would surely have planked him by now. Roberto looks to be close to it at points.
 
 
Warewullf
20:57 / 02.06.05
That arguement between Max and Kemal really annoyed me.

It's alright for him to say that people are playing up for the cameras (even if they aren't, they shouldn't disagree, they should respect his opinion!) but gods-forbid anyone dare suggest that he might be doing the same!

Kemal says that he's just being himself. Max says he's playing up to the cameras.

Kemal says Max is acting the joker and doing it for the cameras - Max freaks the fuck out and the mere suggestion.

Even though it's exactly what he accused Kemal of.

What a prick.


And while I'm ranting, he flat out accused Kemal of this play-acting - said it to his face - then when Kemal refuted this, Max got pissed-off because Kemal wasn't respecting his opinion. So you're not even allowed defend yourself in Max's world? He's right and everyone else is wrong.

What a prick.
 
 
Warewullf
21:08 / 02.06.05
Oh yeah, who was Derek was talking about when he said "He's not likely to say no to sleeping with me, is he?"

I thought he started off talking about Big Brother but missed a bit and now not sure if he was being funny or talking about someone else in the house...
 
 
Ganesh
21:09 / 02.06.05
However, in the context of the orthodoxy expressed in the rest of the house, Mary's particular mode of attention-seeking is actively disturbing. What? She thinks she was kidnapped by aliens? She thinks she's a witch? Whoa! Crazy! She's a fucking nutter!

And I guess this irritates the pants off me because I actually do work with "fucking nutters", and people using Mary's mode of attention-seeking not only don't particularly disturb me, but makes me faintly bilious with contempt. I've gradually become acclimatised to individuals in their teens pulling this sort of "I'm insaaaaane" crap in order to distinguish themselves from the rest of the sheeple, but when thirtysomethings do it, I just want to punch them in the neck.

Count the number of threads on digitalspy about Mary vs those about Craig, who is, frankly, just plain dull, sparking no interesting conflicts and not likely to. I find myself unable to give a shit about him at all. Mary's particular mechanisms may be yawnsome in a wider context, but even something ever so slightly out of the ordinary is better than the tedious queenery that is the only thing Craig will inspire.

There are indeed a huge number of Mary threads on Digital Spy. I think this reflects the average age of the Digital Spy contributor more than anything else.

I agree that potato-faced Craig hardly makes love to the camera, but I'm actually curious about his tedious queenery, not least why he gets so riled at the merest suggestion that he's tedious or queeny. He's an impossible creature; he shouldn't exist. I'm probably also hoping he'll eventually mutate into some sort of poison-spitting Iago.
 
 
Ganesh
22:06 / 02.06.05
I'm enjoying Makosi's use of her name in the third person, and her more divaesque moments:

Makosi: I get up when I want to

Roberto: Why don't you get up when the alarms go off, like everyone else?

Makosi: Because I am MA-KO-SI


Class.
 
 
The Puck
22:27 / 02.06.05
I found the potential dunking incident a bit iffy too, i feel Roberto on his own is joking, Maxwell and Anthony joining in was uncofortably close too bulling, but the clever kind of bullying where the bullys get to step away afterwards claiming "just a laff innt?".

I think that Kermal handled himself wonderfully during the arguement with Maxwell. If he shows that much smart for the rest of the time i can see him winning.

While im at it anybody elses hate the way Anthony is toadying up too Maxwell in the most blatent display of het on het flirting ever. Its all hand slaps and following him round like a lost puppy. Thinking about it almost exactlly like the weaker willed kids at school who hang round with a bully to avoid the bullying themselves.
 
 
Ganesh
22:34 / 02.06.05
I found the potential dunking incident a bit iffy too, i feel Roberto on his own is joking, Maxwell and Anthony joining in was uncofortably close too bulling, but the clever kind of bullying where the bullys get to step away afterwards claiming "just a laff innt?".

I know what y'mean. Substitute Maths Block toilets for dustbin, and you're there.
 
 
Ganesh
22:53 / 02.06.05
"I refuse to diminish my character to survive... I refuse!"

(And I am in no way camp.)
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
07:53 / 03.06.05
As far as public voting goes, I've always been really surprised that the public tend to vote as if they were in the house themselves, rather than for maximum entertainment value...so the arseholes and idiots are always the first to go, which is just not cricket in my book.

All the most incendiary personalitites need to be kept stuck together like glue.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
07:56 / 03.06.05
Re Craig, if he's 'in the closet', so to speak, as far his family goes (which Brian claimed as well, and one has to wonder if any parent can possibly be that naive to not at least strongly suspect), then one wonders at the decision to go on a show like Big Brother...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:01 / 03.06.05
"I refuse to diminish my character to survive... I refuse!"

Almost everything Craig says would montage so beautifully with his interview tape.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
08:55 / 03.06.05
Money $hot, re Craig's closetry - I'm sure he said earlier on that his mother does think he's gay. He seems genuinely puzzled that people think he's bent and is determined to assert his manly straighthood. Bless...
 
 
Ganesh
09:15 / 03.06.05
As far as public voting goes, I've always been really surprised that the public tend to vote as if they were in the house themselves, rather than for maximum entertainment value...so the arseholes and idiots are always the first to go, which is just not cricket in my book.

All the most incendiary personalitites need to be kept stuck together like glue.


I'm surprised that the public are invariably criticised for voting this way. Asking us to do otherwise is essentially asking us not to identify with the housemates themselves, but to take a detached/amused Roman Emperor role. Our reasons for preferring one housemate over another are always gonna be a mixture of the two, and it's not always easy to take a step back from visceral like/dislike at voting time and think purely in terms of "entertainment".

There's also the fact that, if one dislikes a housemate enough, one often wants to see them punished, taken down a peg or two - and our only way to influence that is through voting. If we were allowed other punishment options (voting to randomly electrocute housemates, say, or have them punched in the neck) we'd perhaps decide differently come voting time.
 
 
Ganesh
09:33 / 03.06.05
I suppose I'm saying I can see the intellectual argument, Money $hot, but my reasons for liking/disliking a particular housemate are not predominantly intellectual ones - so expecting me to detach myself sufficiently to vote on the basis of "entertainment value" seems misguided.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:49 / 03.06.05
Poor Maxwell's completely out of his element isn't he? He's in a situation where practically everyone is capable of out-arguing him and his sole tactic of "Act like I might hit them at any second." fails purely because everyone knows there are squads of Big Brother security ready to pounce at the slightest sign of physical aggression.

"I am a joke-ah! That's wot I'm like when I'm daaan the pub wiv me mates!"

Funny thing is I believe him. This is about as deep as Maxwell gets. An prime example of the worst elements of male behaviour.

I don't particularly care which of the two nominees go out, they're both objectionable humans in their own ways. Mary stays and the group may maintain some form of cohesion. Craig stays and I reckon we'll see a certain ammount of polarisation into groups not unlike last years Clique-Wars.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
09:54 / 03.06.05
Just call me Caligula.
 
 
Ganesh
09:59 / 03.06.05
Despite all my better instincts, I actually find myself quite liking Maxwell. I think he actually is quite bright and his Cockernee persona, while grating (and occasionally frankly bigoted) is probably nearer his core reality/personality than most people's. I think he's relatively stable as an individual.

He needs to hang around the gayers a bit more, though. And any serious pairing with Saskia would risk spawning a big-titted Cockernee Third Reich...
 
  

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