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Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:37 / 16.01.06
< rot > Aaaah J. Michael Bailey! J. Michael Bailey! Pull out, pull out! < /rot >
 
 
Krug
22:11 / 16.01.06
Wasn't V a hermaphrodite? Moore hinted to it in the "Behind the Painted Smile" I think.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
01:49 / 17.01.06
I think of V as largley asexual anyway. V was a "he" because V acted in a very masculine way, but sex wasn't something that was important. V was entirely absorbed by an ideal, a plan, and a purpose. I don't think he had time for sexual identity in there.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
02:17 / 17.01.06
wasn't V transformed by the experiments [with hormones] in the detention camp? got to reread that...
 
 
Hieronymus
04:13 / 17.01.06
yeah, I'm with sleaze. That FOX article reads like just so much gossipy swiftboating of the producers... the producers fer fuck's sake... of a movie that has terrorism as its subject matter.
 
 
Krug
20:17 / 17.01.06
I know Bard but I think Hector's on the money. It was never blatantly obvious just that Moore referred to him as one in the afterword. Have to re-read it myself.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
23:30 / 26.01.06
Novel's out.

I thumbed through it at Chapters. I'd rather read the original trade. This one just...lacked something. The dystopia seemed too forced, and the writer was trying to be a touch too poetic, I think.
 
 
CameronStewart
03:28 / 27.01.06
There's a novelization??
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:44 / 27.01.06
Rock.
 
 
sleazenation
06:29 / 27.01.06
Dude - there was a novelization of the Judge Dredd. Stallone's name was on the cover and it was in a larger font than the book's title despite the actor A) not appearing in the novel and B) the actor being so shit...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:43 / 27.01.06
I'm still of the opinion that there has only ever been one good movie novelisation- Martin Millar's Tank Girl, wherein it becomes apparent that Millar has, having accepted the money, realised that the film is shit. So he tells an entirely different story, punctuated at seemibly random intervals with Tank Girl trying to tell the story of the movie, while all the other (new for the novel) characters tell her how implausible and silly it is.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:06 / 27.01.06
What Martin Millar failed to notice, regrettably, is that the film of Tank Girl was actually surprisingly good. Having said which, he probably had a sneaking feeling even by then that "I wrote the novelisation" probably wouldn't carry much weight on the letter to the liquidators.
 
 
CameronStewart
11:12 / 27.01.06
>>>What Martin Millar failed to notice, regrettably, is that the film of Tank Girl was actually surprisingly good.<<<

Yeeeeeesh. Can't in any way agree with that statement. I hated that fucking movie. Didn't Jamie Hewlett say something along the lines of how he thought the negatives should be "boiled in urine"?

The V novelization is by Steve Moore (no relation), Alan Moore's longtime friend and occasional writing partner, so I assume that there's some sort of blessing there. Does it exist because of Alan's demand to be disassociated from the film, so that they didn't release a new version of the graphic novel with the film poster on the cover?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:52 / 27.01.06
Possible also that a graphic novel, even with an endorsement, wouldn't sell that well, and the fees would be further diluted. There was also a novelisation of the film of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

(My fondness of the Tank Girl movie is, I realise, a bit of a minority interest)
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:43 / 27.01.06
Was it somewhere in this thread where the question was raised of how the revolutionaries in a totalitarian nation would purchase a few hundred masks depicting a terrorist?

I think this question is still valid and the W bros better well fucking answer it.
 
 
CameronStewart
16:14 / 27.01.06
>>>Was it somewhere in this thread where the question was raised of how the revolutionaries in a totalitarian nation would purchase a few hundred masks depicting a terrorist?<<<

Presumably V distributes them himself somehow. It's also been mentioned in this thread that the idea of inciting the masses to revolt and throw off the shackles of their totalitarian oppressors, by coercing them to all act and dress alike, is a bit flawed.

Maybe in the world of the film, the Guy Fawkes garb is a common Halloween outfit.
 
 
sleazenation
16:29 / 27.01.06
I think you are clutching at straws, Cameron... but we shall only know for sure once the film is released...
 
 
CameronStewart
17:28 / 27.01.06
I was kidding actually. Should have been clearer.

 
 
CameronStewart
06:30 / 06.02.06
Short, but new, trailer, debuted during the Superbowl.

I dunno, I have to admit that I'm really liking these trailers, they're giving me the appropriate fanboy jollies - but I can't shake the feeling that I'll dislike the final film.
 
 
GogMickGog
09:31 / 06.02.06
I quick glance at the site also shows various scenes shot, presumably, to explain the significance of Guy Fawkes to the yanks.

How do y'all feel about this? How much do American barbeloids know ab
 
 
GogMickGog
09:32 / 06.02.06
Ahem...

about this?
 
 
sleazenation
12:05 / 06.02.06
I am finding it increasingly annoying that what appears to be a deeply compromised narrative is being sold as 'uncompromising'...
 
 
CameronStewart
15:05 / 06.02.06
>>>I quick glance at the site also shows various scenes shot, presumably, to explain the significance of Guy Fawkes to the yanks.<<<

Oh wow. I didnt see those before.

I suppose it will be a prologue. The arrest of Fawkes, his public hanging, and then, in big letters on a black screen: "FOUR HUNDRED YEARS LATER..."

UGH.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:25 / 07.02.06
It will be like a Highlander episode. There can be corny music supposedly appropriate to the times, and in an olde englysh font it will show the date.

Then after Fawkes is hanged it will black out and say, in the same font, "The near future"

heh, man, I could make a million writing this shit.
 
 
mikebee
19:09 / 12.02.06
saw a screener last night - they were giving away passes yesterday morning at the DC booth at WonderCon in SF - and it's a total success, i loved it. as with most film adaptations, it's a bit condensed, but the spirit of the book is completely intact. many scenes are ripped straight out of the original narrative, the way it should be. my friends and i all shocked that they actually didn't fuck it all up!

plus it looks like natalie portman can actually act, despite her horrible performance in the star wars films, and hugo weaving is completely spot-on as V, both in the voice and mannerisms.

loved it loved it loved it!
 
 
gridley
15:24 / 14.02.06
A quick glance at the site also shows various scenes shot, presumably, to explain the significance of Guy Fawkes to the yanks.

How do y'all feel about this? How much do American barbeloids know about this?


I think it's safe to say that very few Americans know anything substantial about Guy Fawkes and that at least a bit of explanation is going to be essential to the movie working over here.
 
 
Krug
22:16 / 14.02.06
Gridley's right he is because I've asked a whole film class and several other people if they know anything about the gunpowder plot and fawkes. Nobody seems to know and I think the only reason I know is because I come from a country you brits had colonised and the textbooks were british in private (public in the uk) schools.
 
 
sleazenation
22:25 / 14.02.06
Well technically the Brits colonized the all of the original united states too...
 
 
This Sunday
00:04 / 15.02.06
For that matter, just because the some colony-heads decided they were uncolonized, now, doesn't make their rule any less a colonization.
And with that I'll take my grumpy old Indian hat off for the night.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:01 / 15.02.06
Are film students usually good on British history?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:05 / 15.02.06
OK, just watched the trailer. I liked it. I'm kind of with Cameron, though. And I can't get the nagging thought out of my head that the Matrix Reloaded trailer was ace. And we all know how that turned out.
 
 
Krug
08:58 / 16.02.06
Other than two people nobody's a film major in that class or even close. But that wasn't the only group.
 
 
Sniv
13:12 / 16.02.06
I suppose it goes to show how America-centric movies/TV are. I'm sure that as an Englishman, I have a better grasp of American history than Americans have of ours. We have stuff about presidents, independence day and all sorts of foreign non-sense shoved down our throats in this country.

Growing up on US cartoons and drama I know about thanksgiving, and the founding fathers and Benedict Arnold, and presidents good and bad. I doubt most blinkered yanks would even be able to name our current Queen, let alone somebody that triend to blow up our government when America still belonged to the Americans.

London's streets will probably be cobbled and foggy in V too... Yay for anglo-american animosity!
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
01:18 / 17.02.06
From Newsarama.com: David Lloyd chimes in on V, and subsequently gets taken off Allan Moore's christmas card list:

AD: You’ve seen the V For Vendetta movie. What’s your reaction?

DL: It’s a terrific film. The most extraordinary thing about it for me was seeing scenes that I’d worked on and crafted for maximum effect in the book translated to film with the same degree of care and effect. The “transformation” scene between Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving is just great. If you happen to be one of those people who admires the original so much that changes to it will automatically turn you off, then you may dislike the film - but if you enjoyed the original and can accept an adaptation that is different to its source material but equally as powerful, then you’ll be as impressed as I was with it.

AD: How faithful to the comic is it?

DL: About 80%.

AD: No movie can ever be 100% faithful to its original source material; nor should it try to be. Do you feel the changes were valid?

DL: There was nothing stopping Larry and Andy making a more faithful version of Vendetta than they made - indeed they wrote a script that was closer to the original version eight years ago. But I have no argument with what they’ve done now with V, as I had no argument with the smaller changes they made to it back then, because the movie rights were sold to DC by myself and Alan way back in 1985, and we were both intelligent enough to know that we were not signing those rights over to a board of trustees whose duty was to look after our creative property as if it were the Dead Sea Scrolls. My attitude was always that I’d be happy to see V made into a movie if it was a good movie. It has been made into a good movie. In fact, I think that Larry and Andy, James McTeigue, Grant Hill, Adrian Biddle, and Joel Silver have made an excellent movie of it with an excellent cast. And I’m pleased to support what they’ve done.

Are the changes they’ve made to it valid? Well, there are those who value the original so completely that no changes to the story would be seen by them as valid, and I wouldn’t want to be in the position of trying to convince anyone that any changes that have been made to it were valid because I’m not responsible for them being made. I really want everyone to make up their own mind about it when they see it, and accept or reject them then. I feel sad about the antagonism towards the film that’s been stimulated by Alan’s view of the script and other matters, because it seems to have caused a lot of people to pre-judge the film - and that’s bad.

AD: Does the movie offer us a black-and-white morality, with V as a heroic freedom-fighter battling a villainous regime, or does it embrace the moral ambiguity of the comic?

DL: If you’re talking about the moral ambiguity of the characters who figure in the story, there’s a much smaller cast to demonstrate that with in the film, so a level of complexity in the treatment of the denizens of V’s world is missing - but there’s little missing in the rounded portrayal of V and his battle against the state.

The only other thing I’d add by way of reply to that question is that the Leader character in the film isn’t painted with any of those brush strokes of sympathy he was given in the original. Considering the crimes he’d committed, I guess no-one could stomach the idea of giving him any.

AD: The home-grown British fascists of the comic have been replaced in the film by German Nazis having won World War II. But might this miss the point that fascism, totalitarianism, loss of freedom can happen anywhere - even here... ?

DL: Now that question is based on believing a rumor to be true. Because I know info gets around the web very quickly, I figured that once someone had read the script of V - which apparently many now have - all old rumors would be squashed. Obviously not. The point has been kept.

AD: Is the V of the movie a proponent of Anarchism?

DL: The V of the original creates chaos with the personal hope, almost a dream, of it leading to a state of true anarchy, but he doesn’t set any wheels in motion to provide such a state with a solid foundation because he can’t. In one sense, you could say he’d be unable to, because to do that would be to lead, and the essence of anarchy is that it exists without leaders. At the end of his achievements, he has only given the people the freedom to choose how they want to live. V in the film demonstrates no desire to preach a particular way of life to the people he’s encouraging to freedom, so you could call him less of a dreamer and more of a pragmatist.

AD: Alan Moore’s negative reaction to the screenplay, and subsequent squabbles with producer Joel Silver, are well documented. Do you share Alan’s point of view to any degree, or has it all been blown out of proportion?

DL: As I said above, I regret all that. Alan is entitled to his point of view, and I have my own.

AD: Do you feel you’ve been treated fairly?

DL: Well, I signed a contract with DC in 1985, selling V For Vendetta to them under certain terms and conditions. They’ve abided by that contract to the letter. I get all that I’m due from it.

Nothing in their contract obliges DC or Warner Bros to send me or to show me any scripts for a V movie, or to pass comment on them, but from the very first script that was written for one - written over ten years ago by someone whose name I shall not grace with a mention, and which I would not have supported in the way I support the present one - they always have.
 
 
sleazenation
09:51 / 17.02.06
David Lloyd has been very well paid for his contribution, and I'm sure he has seen scripts for a V for Vendetta film that are far worse than the version that was eventually filmed. And certainly isn't as if the orginal V for Vendetta was perfect... certainly the nuclear science that underpinned the story would seem to be a bit out of whack...

I'm still not overly optimistic...
 
  

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