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PatrickMM
17:55 / 05.01.05
So, the V For Vendetta movie is apparently moving forward, Natalie Portman's in it and it's already got a teaser poster:



That looks pretty good, right from the graphic novel, however this Joel Silver quote has me a bit worried. "With V for Vendetta, the Wachowski Brothers have created an uncompromising vision of the future driven by a totally original superhero."

First, the Wachowskis didn't exactly create it, second V isn't exactly a superhero. But, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for now, and it'll be cool to see, even if just to get more people reading Moore's original. The good thing about comic adaptations is they really can't ruin the original book. For a prose book, the movie images can be all you see when you read the book, like for Lord of the Rings now, I just see the movie characters when I read it, not the people as I originally imagined them. But, since the images are all there even an LXG can't ruin the original book.

Plus, this is a bit of a return to Leon territory for Natalie Portman, it'll be good to see her acting a bit bad again.
 
 
doglikesparky
18:03 / 05.01.05
Oh, how I so want this to be good and I'm not put off by Natalie Portman's involvement either.

Joel Silver and the Wachowski's however.......well, fingers crossed.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:07 / 05.01.05
Joel Silver and the Wachowski's however

brrrrrr....

I've never wanted a comic to be made into a movie more than I did when I first read V... now it seems to be happening, I'm not so sure...

If... IF they do it a la Radford's 1984... make it a view of the future as seen when it was written, it MIGHT work... if not... well, I'll still go and see it. I'm actually fairly stupid.
 
 
Hieronymus
18:46 / 05.01.05
What is it about Joel Silver's words that just seem to take a match to every good idea he's enthused about?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:56 / 05.01.05
Brrrr...

With an extra dose of dry ice, anguished screams in the background, and the stench of something not unakin to an open grave.

It's the perennial complaint on this board I know, some Angry of Tunbridge Wells type has to bring it up every single time, but still,

Why oh why are they bothering with this ?

Granted, for once there's no problem with the plot I suppose, they should be able to fit most of it in, and for not too much money either, but as for the atmosphere, what are the chances of Silver and the W brothers getting even halfway through the first drft of the script before they start asking themselves;

" Hey who IS this guy ? Who's RILLY behind the mask ? "

" It's The Scarlet Pimpernel meets 1984 " indeed.

Oh well... See at the front of the queue then, Stoat.

It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't



Really,
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:34 / 05.01.05
I am going to love this movie.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:39 / 05.01.05
Filming in Berlin, which could be very interesting...

But yeah, filming starts in early March for a Fall 2005 release... and from the looks of the poster, they've got a firm release date picked. See the tiny print below the logo?

It says, "Remember, remember, the 5th of November."

With the 5th of November falling on a Saturday this year, they'd be nuts not to open that weekend.

Still--that's cutting it a bit fine, innit? For a Wachowski film, especially? V has a lotta good 'splosions, after all, and you'd think they'd need more time than that for post-production...

I dunno: on the one hand I'm very attracted to the idea of a fast turnaround, of this being a quick, grimy, guerilla-style shoot with simple, "in camera" SFX--in keeping with the nasty, lo-fi future envisioned in the book (the Michael Radford "1984" comparison is spot-on). But I'd hate for it to look... I dunno... unfinished.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
05:59 / 06.01.05
Content could also be a problem... V is a terrorist, after all...
 
 
Seth
06:46 / 06.01.05
Content could also be a problem... it's from the makers of the Matrix...
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
06:59 / 06.01.05
Content could be a problem... it is a cinematic adaptation of an Alan Moore masterpiece.

I so so so so SO want this to be good. I do think they could have gone one better on Evey by casting Emily Browning of Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events: she's Australian, so one step closer to the right accent, and she's the right age (and, well, who doesn't want to see her done up like a trollop? is it just me?). And they so better not show who's under V's mask; I think they ought to keep it a COMPLETE secret, not even in any of the publicity, and keep it a secret until Oscar nominations begin getting bandied about, if not longer. That'd be great publicity in itself.

I wish I had pictures of it, but for Halloween 1998 (I think) I went as V. Actually, the mask was the best part; the rest of it was sort of an improvised Pilgrim-type affair.

/+,
 
 
haus of fraser
08:03 / 06.01.05
she's Australian, so one step closer to the right accent

!!! ??? !!!
 
 
_Boboss
08:03 / 06.01.05
joel silver and the wachowskis - is it going to be set in england? i don't want to say that those guys are cunts or anything, but i'm one of the few poor poor people who've seen the third matrix film, and those guys are cunts.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
10:04 / 06.01.05
Well, 'cunt' is usually a swear-word aimed at females, and only one of the Wachowski brothers is female
Unlike most of you I have no expectations about this film being anything other than a giant turd-cannon (or 'scheisewerfer') aimed squarely at anyone who read and loved the original. It will be de-fanged, dumbed-down and have any trace of what made the original great removed from it. And you know what? At the risk of committing a gross act of blasphemy I lay the blame on the shoulders of one man:
Alan Moore.
Apart from Stan Lee nobody working in comics has had so many films made of their work, and each one has been a dud. Frank Miller on the other hand has maintained creative control of Rodriguez's Sin City and it's shaping up great. Has he ever been asked in interviews why he lets talentless hacks ruin his work? (links please)
Maybe they'll do a two-for-one offer with Constantine when this comes out...
 
 
_Boboss
10:13 / 06.01.05
Well, 'cunt' is usually a swear-word aimed at females

no it isn't
 
 
haus of fraser
10:56 / 06.01.05
V For Vendetta will be directed by James McTeigue, not Wachowski bros (they wrote the screenplay and will produce).

He's a crew member who served as the First Assistant Director on the "Matrix" trilogy, Clone Wars and the Revenge of the sith.

The position of 1st AD is a weird one- its pretty much what TV calls floor managing- you work on the set co- ordinating script/ health & saftey schedules etc. Its pretty much a non creative job (in terms of getting performance from actors where a camera goes how something is lit etc.) its more a problem solving job on set- so how it looks is anybodys guess?

Working for both the Wachowski bros and Lucas rings warning bells as does the fact that he seems never to have directed anything before?! Will he know what to do when the edit starts as AD's soley work during production and leave before post production starts? or is that when uncle joel and auntie Wachowski take over- sounds messy already- but i'm willing to be proved wrong...


**Threadrot***
(on the cunt thing - from my experience Americans use it more in the context of women, us Brits use it for pretty much anything and everything- hence the context that it can be considered extremely offensive- reducing a woman to just a sexual organ... I may be totally wrong on this count and don't want to get into a language & semantics debate especially not in this thread.... feel free to argue about it in headshop, conversation or whatever but i will try not to join you...)
**Threadrot ends**
 
 
Spaniel
11:20 / 06.01.05
I quite like the poster, and I think we can take Joel Silver's blather for the promotional tool it is.
I mean, "from famed comic writer Alan Moore" wouldn't sell a fucking thing to Joe Public.

Actually I'm only slightly nervous about this production. Unlike Phex I don't give a shit about Alan Moore's sales bonanza. Who cares if the adaptions are rubbish, I've got the comics and I'm happy. If, on the other hand, the adaptions turn out to be great, then that's all good too.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:54 / 06.01.05
IT'LL BE SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT! Of course it'll be shit.

Nnnnnng.

who doesn't want to see her done up like a trollop? is it just me?

What is she, 14, or something? Jesus.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:26 / 06.01.05
>>>joel silver and the wachowskis - is it going to be set in england?<<<

I think I read somewhere that it will shoot in Berlin, so they likely aren't going to Americanize it and set it in New York or something. And the Guy Fawkes mask and November 5th rhyme are particularly English...
 
 
Jack Fear
13:36 / 06.01.05
Emily Browning is sixteen. Which, you know, would make one a bit of a wrongcock, but is the orrect age for Evey.

Reread the TPB last night and had a nasty rumble of doubt. The thing about the comic is that V himself actually plays a relativly minor role. His influence is felt throughout, but he doesn't get as much "screen time" as you may remember. Nor does Evey, really.

The comic is highly novelistic in that the supporting cast is huge (at least for a work of this length) and the narrative is dense with subplots and agendas. These will doubtless be thinned in order to focus on the V-Evey arc, even though it's really a relatively small piece of the whole.

Especially given that (and there's a plot-specific SPOILER here, so if you haven't read the comic

LOOK


AWAY


NOW)


...it's Rose Almond who kills the Leader, while V himself is off-stage. In the comic it plays beautifully, because we've watched Rose's continuing debasement with horror and pity for quite some time—but it seems to violate one of the basic rules of cinematic storytelling, which is Do not take the climax away from your protagonist.

When you're reading the book, of course, two things are clear: (1) in fact it is the English people themselves are the protagonist, rather than V (who is more properly a catalyst), and (2) the killing of the Leader isn't really the climax, because the Leader is not the State—he, too, is but a catalyst, a functionary. I would venture, actually, that V isn't even really a character, as such: he is an ideology—which is made explicit in the denouement.

The problem is that while this may work in a novel or even a comic, film by its nature (I would argue) tends to reduce ideological conflicts to interpersonal ones. This can work even on a one-sided basis—"1984" worked on film it was Winston Smith, a character we knew and cared about, vs. Fascism.

V for Vendetta, though, is Anarchism vs. Fascism. And while that works on the page, where the experience and the thrill are primarily intellectual, I have a fear that it's going to be alienating onscreen, and lacking in visceral identification.
 
 
_Boboss
13:46 / 06.01.05
16's fine, don't worry bout it.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:04 / 06.01.05
I always pictured V being made as a low key, depressing BBC drama, three parts maybe.

I think the point made that the films don't change the comics, and in this case V is one of the best comic stories in my opinion, and every now and then (well, occasionally) there is a decent film made, is a good one.

We shall see...
 
 
Nobody's girl
14:31 / 06.01.05
Constantine was painful enough, I love V so much it might actually break my heart if they fuck this up.

I heard a rumour Keanu was interested in playing V. It's just too awful to comtemplate.
 
 
_Boboss
14:35 / 06.01.05
too hilarious to contemplate you mean. knuuea doing a british accent again? we've been waiting for such a treat for years!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:42 / 06.01.05
We must follow the bostard to the costle.

You know who'd be perfect for V?



Yes?
 
 
doglikesparky
14:44 / 06.01.05
knuuea doing a british accent again? we've been waiting for such a treat for years!

Didn't he embarrass himself trying such a stunt in Dracula?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:03 / 06.01.05
Ummm... i think that was the point. Shame there's not an 'irony' smiley...
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:17 / 06.01.05
I know where the barrrrstarrrrd sleeeps. Carfarrrx arrrbbeee.

Who ever plays V better get used to the fucking idea that we aren't going to see their face at all, not once, never, through out the whole film.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:24 / 06.01.05
Just like the Judge Dredd movie...
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:31 / 06.01.05
Exact... oh shit.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:34 / 06.01.05
Well it may be taken as a good sign that the first major casting announcement has been for Evey, rather than for V, the (sort of) titular character. Perhaps Portman will be the main marquee name, and they will allow V to remain anonymous.


You just KNOW this is going to be radically different than the comic, though.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:41 / 06.01.05
Just turned 16. Is Hashmal anywhere around? We could form a club...

Again, why is there a need for this? The things that make it interesting are precisely the things that a film would not be able to do. Most obviously, be drawn by David Lloyd...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:44 / 06.01.05
In fact, is there any chance that we could somehow de-age Natalie Portman to look about 15, like with CGI maybe, make her up like a whore and then, I don't know, give her an enormous gun or something? And then make V's uniform a rubber catsuit like in underworld? In fact, when I think of the scenes of V they just really remind me of Underworld ... maybe they could shoot it in Budapest...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
17:22 / 06.01.05
I guarantee V will engage in some totally AWESOME two handgun action, and run up at least one wall.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:29 / 06.01.05
I hope so.
 
 
Grey Area
18:21 / 06.01.05
Well if they follow the story, there's got to acrobatics galore. At least one swinging onto a moving train sequence at least. And then there's the potential for sneaking of explosives into The Ear and The Eye.

But on the whole, I wouldn't hold out much hope for this. I mean, there's nuances in the book that could never be expressed in one film. Now, if they made a LOTR-type trilogy there'd be plenty of time. But they're not. And in all honesty I doubt there would be a strong Anarchy vs Fascism message coming out of a Hollywood studio. If I had to hazard a guess, it'll turn into more of an Equilibrium-type ending and plot-arc.
 
  

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