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Mr Tricks

22:44 / 29.09.05

<reaching>Speaking of obscured how about one of the Sons of the Tiger.
Bendis seems to like characters from that era.
They have history with Daredevil and one of them was an Asian fellow who could have grown his hair out.</reaching>

Mario

22:56 / 29.09.05

The fact that Murdock thought of "Ronin" immediately after Cap mentioned his term as Nomad may be relevant.

The Falcon

23:39 / 29.09.05

I'm not reading this anymore*, but I can clarify that the military villain who hired Wyngarde is most likely just called the General. He was in the original Sentry series, fought Sentry and the original X-Men team, had a little toy army.

*I probably would be, cause I decided not to get #7, and later felt a little regret, but by then #7 was no longer in the shop and #8 was only available with the Buscema (?) cover - £5, no thanks.

Mark Parsons

23:43 / 29.09.05

SONS OF THE TIGER, now that'd be cool. But Bendis did make the statement aboyt Ronin being movie related...

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

01:03 / 30.09.05

Movie related?

While I like the sons of the tiger as much as anyone, they don't fill most of the requirements. (No history with Fisk, no ties to the hand, ect...) And the amulets that gave them their powers are all in the hands of the new White Tiger over in Daredevil.

Hmmm.

I really hope it's not Elektra... is there anyone else who fits all the requirements?

The Falcon

01:09 / 30.09.05

Echo.

Quimper

01:52 / 30.09.05

Typhoid Mary

rabideyemovement

03:53 / 30.09.05

Yeah, it's obviously not Iron Fist, like I thought. My vote goes to Shang-Chi now. Yes, he's Chinese, but he's fought the Hand before and served as a spy in Japan. The costume looks vaguely like the Ghostmaker... He's a Daredevil/Shang-Chi villain, but he knows an awful lot about the Hand.

This Sunday

04:14 / 30.09.05

I now desperately want it to be Typhoid Mary. Yes. Even if it means seeing her written by Bendis. Because it'd be Typhoid Mary as an Avenger and just because... since the Marvel Edge mini when has she got any real panel-time in the last ten years?
But it's probably Elektra.
For those who read anything with her since the Milligan series (which I enjoyed on some hyper-ironic cue-card level), is she being handled anywhere near reasonably or entertainingly?

rabideyemovement

04:24 / 30.09.05

She had much ultrabadassedness about her in the Millar Wolverine story. But Ronin's character is drawn to look like a very muscular man. It's not too vague about that. Besides, Captain America has met Elektra before and knows her from many other ventures besides the Kingpin business. And DD can't just ring Elektra on the phone anyway. I say its Shang Chi. They are making a Hands of Kung Fu movie after all, so they have to bring him back soon anyway.

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:08 / 30.09.05

Really drawn like a man, though. Which suggests to me that it's DareDevil. In a stupid wig.

Apart from the identity of Ronin, what did people think about this issue? It felt a bit parodic.

Mario

12:41 / 30.09.05

The "Ronin is to Daredevil as Nomad was to Cap" analogy seems obvious. Bendis's denial was just him playing games.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

19:10 / 30.09.05

Man, I hope Bendis was not lying about DD not being Ronin. I mean, he was pretty much the obvious guess from the begining (and by beginning let's just say NA #2) but Bendis said everyone was off base.

Mark Parsons

19:23 / 30.09.05

RE my last post: I'm pretty sure Bendis stated that Ronin had ties to a filmed Marvel property, which lead to speculation that he is Blade. If the statement is true, then the field is narrowed considerably.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

20:12 / 30.09.05

IIRC, Bends has said that Blade will make a NA appearence as well... I don't think he's the man, but he certianly an interesting candidate. Hmm... filmed marvel properties.

rabideyemovement

21:22 / 30.09.05

ties to a filmed property or to something yet to be filmed?
"The Hands of Shang Chi" is in script production now and is set to be directed by Woo-Ping Yuen and produced by Dreamworks sometime next year.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

21:42 / 30.09.05

Shang-Chi's father and criminal background is traditionally tied up with the fact his father is Fu Manchu. (Marvel no longer has the rights to Fu Manchu which is why he's never named any more.) I wonder if Bendis could be subtily trying to retcon bits of Shang-Chai's origin?

I do love me some Master of Kung Fu.

Mark Parsons

00:57 / 01.10.05

""The Hands of Shang Chi" is in script production now and is set to be directed by Woo-Ping Yuen and produced by Dreamworks sometime next year."

That is awesome f*cking news: best Marvel movie set up thus far, IMO...

Keith, like a scientist

02:20 / 01.10.05

the actual comic pretty much kills the DD = Ronin theory when Cap meets with this Ronin person.

Elektra makes the most sense, given all of Murdock's statements and the hair. But...yeah, drawn like a muscular man.

Sons of the Tiger are sounding pretty likely... I don't know much about them, though. isn't there a whole cadre of them?

This Sunday

03:13 / 01.10.05

Elektra, done right - by my count - should be drawn as fairly muscled. 'Elektra Lives' rather than a Barbie doll in a red swimsuit and bandanna.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

05:00 / 01.10.05

Sons of the Tiger. There were three of them and the amulets that gave them all their powers are all being used by the current White Tiger, they have no connection to Fisk, don't kill and they drew their powers from Chineese origins...

Triplets

10:36 / 01.10.05

We need more muscley women in comics.

Less Psylocke! More Barda!

Triplets

15:15 / 01.10.05

BTW, if the Sons of the Tiger had an amulet that gave them the strength, speed, stamina etc of three men each, does that mean White Tiger has the composite strength of 9 (phantom) men + 1 (his) = 10 men?

Regrettable Juvenilia

23:58 / 01.10.05

The Sentry arc was appallingly-paced, dubiously-plotted, and filled with bad choices of characters (as Haus noted elsewhere, Bendis should never be allowed to write Emma Frost again), odd choices BY characters (inviting The Sentry to join the team is about as advisable a choice as "Hey Xorn, want to be in the X-Men? No, you don't need a reference."), and just plain shit bits (Paul Jenkins as himself! Metatextual bobbins! NO). The only good stuff was the stuff with the Wrecker.

Bendis is good at pulpy but he can't do cosmic. I am, therefore, back to enjoying this book a great deal with all this Ronin stuff. I'm intrigued by the identity mystery, but doubt the answer will affect my enjoyment.

Mario

00:42 / 02.10.05

Depends on how you add it...either each amulet gives you the strength of two more men (in which case WT has the strength of 7 men), or they triple your strength, giving WT the strength of 27 men.

FinderWolf

16:50 / 03.10.05

Having read all that, gotta be Shang-Chi. It's fun how Bendis is bringing all these not-famous 70s Marvel characters back to prominence... (esp. if it is Shang-Chi)

And yeah, Bendis likes Emma Frost, but as Haus pointed out, she wouldn't really say 'take a dump' or 'oh, it be true.'

Regrettable Juvenilia

20:28 / 09.10.05

Having done some reading up on Shang-Chi, that's where my metaphorical money is now.

Mario

00:14 / 10.10.05

I've decided that Ronin is Batroc. So is Swordsman. AND the Winter Soldier. Heck, he may very well be Mockingbird in Villains United, too. ALL mysterious characters are Batroc.

"Mes amis. Batroc eez evreewaire."

Simplist

16:40 / 10.10.05

the actual comic pretty much kills the DD = Ronin theory when Cap meets with this Ronin person.

Nah, I think that "public meeting" with either a disguised Matt Murdock or a stand-in was a way to mislead the inevitable observers of such a meeting, who will now not assume when Ronin shows up that he is DD.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

16:46 / 10.10.05

A) Bendis has said repeatedly that it's not Daredevil.

B) If it is Daredevil and Bendis is a lying lier, then how did anyone manage to sneak up on Ronin. That's sort of what Daredevil does, you know? Not get snuck up on.

TroyJ15

00:21 / 11.10.05

im going with shang chi! and for the record good luck powers are still retarded!

no u r

Nah, I think that "public meeting" with either a disguised Matt Murdock

Matty being know to be a devote of wigs and hair weaves...

FinderWolf

16:49 / 03.11.05

There is new online speculation that Ronin is the female character "Echo" created by David Mack during his Daredevil run (which Quesada drew). Apparently, someone is claiming that a hardcover bookstore book about the Avengers spoils the ID of Ronin as Echo (you know, one of those 'Everything you wanted to know about _________' books published by DK Publishing or whatever).

When asked about it point-blank on his message board, Bendis said he couldn't comment on "guesses." People then starting assuming the Echo story was right since Bendis didn't deny it. Who knows...

I really want it to be Shang-Chi, not Echo. Who even cares about Echo?

I did enjoy the use of the 80s song "Ain't Nothin' Gonna Break My Stride" in the latest issue...always loved that song. Cap saying "Gentlemen of the Hand, stand down, you are trespassing on private property" was kind of funny too. NA continues to be a fun silly read, sort of like a decently-written action movie.

Eskay Doss

17:02 / 03.11.05

Echo is deaf, can't be her.

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