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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:53 / 07.06.07

...presumably suggesting that Tony "Dangerously Unstable" Stark's Superhero Registration Thingumajig is going to turn out to be his brain-wave about how to track down which ones are, indeed, Skrull super-spies?

You'd think after the whole "Johnny marrying a Skrull Imposter" debacle that Reed would have noticed something. Hell, you'd think after the Infinity War doppleganger-absorbing imposter thing that they'd have more sophisticated means of detection...which, theoretically, they do; Reed invented a duplicate-detecting machine back before the Infinity War, to watch out for FF insurrection by (ahem) Skrulls and the like, as well as unusual brain activity generated by mind control (particularly by the Puppet Master).

And yes, I've just displayed a distressing memory for mid-90s Marvel event comics that I only read a couple tie-ins for but somehow absorbed en masse via, I assure you, osmosis. And no doubt they'll just ignore the Duplicate-Detecting Device.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

18:07 / 07.06.07

"Stark's Superhero Registration Thingumajig is going to turn out to be his brain-wave about how to track down which ones are, indeed, Skrull super-spies?"
Bingo.

I don't know how I feel about that theory, but it seems to be everywhere.

And your distressing knowledge of mid-90's comics is okay...

I mean, you forgot the Skrull who joined the X-Men as Wolverine anyway

19:34 / 07.06.07

This kind of stunt flopped when DC did it in their summer MANHUNTERS crossover, remember? (revealing that for the past several years, Lana Lang and various other smaller supporting cast members had been Manhunters...yawn)

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

21:19 / 07.06.07

Oh yeah... Lana and Wally West's Dad and... I do remember that. Other than some fun Suicide Squad stuff it was by and large utter pants.

20:22 / 13.06.07

I think this is out today. If it's not Skrull-related, Marvel has pulled off a very successful disinformation campaign...

Phex: Dorset Doom

20:59 / 13.06.07

Let's not forget that the Illuminati's first big adventure involved them being tortured by the Skrulls and putting a big steaming pile of Black Bolt explodo on the Skrull homeworld. It would make sense in terms of the Illuminati's arc to have their story begin and end with the Skrulls.

Regrettable Juvenilia

21:06 / 13.06.07

Let's start a Skrullpool! I'm nominating Tigra, Dum Dum Dugan, Wolverine's bisexuals-are-evil son and Finderwolf. They are all SKRULLS.

Are you a Skrull?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

21:08 / 13.06.07

Depending on what the timing of the Illuminati's encounter with the Beyonder (you know, worst retcon ever but amusing story nonetheless) was, exactly (and where Iron Man was supposed to be in the actual comics of the time), his absence during that encounter could be pointing toward this as well. They made a point of talking about his unknown whereabouts.

This would be halfway interesting if it turned out that Tony was a brainwashed Skrull who forgot it was a Skrull and consequently "stumbled upon" evidence of (other) Skrulls on Earth and tried to out them with the Act, but otherwise - yeah, I'm just seeing bad Millenium flashbacks.

Essential Dazzler

21:11 / 13.06.07

Apparently Nick Fury is obviously a Skrull, According to a well-reasoned 4000 words I came across else-where. Well, I assume it was well reasoned, or why else would they have written it? I have to admit there was a slight glazing incident, so I couldn't quite finish it.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

21:14 / 13.06.07

Depends which side of his face his eye-patch is on now, now doesn't it?

Regrettable Juvenilia

22:00 / 13.06.07

That sounds like Skrull talk to me.

Essential Dazzler

22:12 / 13.06.07

Oh Gawd, I am so sick of this already.

I'm sorry for joinging in earlier, can we just not talk about Skrulls on Barbelith, Please?

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

02:34 / 14.06.07

Sorry....

*spoiled like 3 day old meat in the sun*

The New Avengers vs. Elektra vs. the Hand vs. Echo fight resolves with Echo killing Elektra.

...who reverts back to Skrull form when she dies.

The Skrull invasion is On, apparently.

Oh, and Jessica and Luke Cage's baby is also revealed as either a Skrull or a half-Skrull. (Probably on his mother's side given that there was a discussion of Jessica not breast feeding the kid in this issue and one would figure it's likely that the warm-blooded yet reptilian skrulls can't lactate.)

Luckily I'm drunk or else I don't think I'd be able to write that sentence. But it's all true.

That said, the Spider-Man and Ronin (Clint Barton) scene was funny.

04:52 / 14.06.07

does this mean we get the skrull kill krew back?

oh please?

Dark side of the Moonfrog1

07:33 / 14.06.07

Hmmmm.... After the hackneyed faux-politics of Civil War, I'm wonder if this is Marvel's attempt to introduce an almost McCarthy-era style plotline to the MU. Set up a situation where the public and the heroes alike are terrifiied of 'The Green Menace' (do you see what i did there.) Having people outing their friends and neighbours as Skrullified fifth columnists.

How do things stand with the Skrulls at the moment anyway. Didn't they get a bit of a pasting during the Annihilation crossover?

10:21 / 14.06.07

In Annahilation wave their pretty much devistated . By the end of teh mini (minus Galactuse wrath burning out a few solar systems) Most of the aliens have taken a rather large pasting (nova Corps gone, Kree most devestaded )

And Blasstar now works with the Space Knights

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

12:41 / 14.06.07

After Annihilation, it's entirely possible that is there IS a massive Skrull Incursion on Earth that they're the bulk of the species.

I REALLY hope annihilation isn't ignored by the terrestrial books when they touch on the cosmic stuff. That sort of thing has crippled the Marvel cosmic continuity for too long.

I'm going to give this plot the benefit of the doubt since the build up has been sooooo lonnnngggg. (Bendis' Secret War started when?)

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

12:56 / 14.06.07

Groundless speculation:

Given that the survivors of the Skrull Kill Krew (which just got reprinted in TPB) were supposed to cameo in Marvel Boy 2 as prisoners of the same prison he was in, I wonder if they might show up with Marvel Boy in the next issue of Illuminati.

12:56 / 14.06.07

>> exactly (and where Iron Man was supposed to be in the actual comics of the time), his absence during that encounter could be pointing toward this as well. They made a point of talking about his unknown whereabouts.

I read one review of Illuminati #3 where the writer speculated that the story took place around the time when Stark was embroiled in battles with Obidiah Stane. But yeah, more likely is Bendis having him not be present for a current-day plot reason, possibly connected to the Skrulls.

And in issue 1 of the Illuminati, the group pissed the Skrulls off but good, right after the Kree-Skrull War. So that had to be in there for a reason.

I will say that I was very surprised; knew the Skrull stuff was coming, but NEVER expected it to be Elektra of all people. and of course, the question of 'when did she get substituted' come up...maybe after Bendis' DD run and before New Avengers...? (also, post-Millar Wolverine SHIELD/Elektra/Hand story)

I'm off to join the Skrull Kill Krew.

14:36 / 14.06.07

and I was glad it was a bizarre, quiet reveal that left everyone going 'huh...? What does this mean...?' as opposed to the Skrull imposter revealing themselves, twirling their moustache and saying how Earth will soon be theirs and all is going according to their dastardly plan!

And the Jessica/Luke baby having green-tinted eyes? That's bizarre. Was there ever a real baby? Or was it always a Skrull? Is this "Jessica" a Skrull too (guess so, cause of the breast feeding thing)? Where's the real Jessica? [insert joke about her always being a Skrull when she was in ALIAS here] Why does Marvel gotta retcon babies (*Scarlet Witch's children cough cough*)?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:50 / 14.06.07

Because babies, while interesting for a certain number of plots, can also restrict character movement & drama. It's much the same faux reason that they seem to be employing for all the married couples breaking up spontaneously, I'd imagine.

16:14 / 14.06.07

and I was glad it was a bizarre, quiet reveal that left everyone going 'huh...? What does this mean...?' as opposed to the Skrull imposter revealing themselves, twirling their moustache and saying how Earth will soon be theirs and all is going according to their dastardly plan!

I don't know. The prospect of everyone taking another six or so months to work out what's going on (which at this rate seems not only plausible, but likely) does feel a bit daunting, somehow.

17:22 / 14.06.07

And the Jessica/Luke baby having green-tinted eyes? That's bizarre. Was there ever a real baby? Or was it always a Skrull? Is this "Jessica" a Skrull too (guess so, cause of the breast feeding thing)?

Is it possible for skrulls and humans to breed, do we know? I suppose it might be theoretically possible if the skrull in question stayed in human form from conception to birth, but has it ever happened in the past?

Or is Bendis, at least on the face of it, heading into uncharted territory here?

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

17:25 / 14.06.07

Good interview with Bendis on the Skrullification of the MU over here: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116568

I've got to say, I dig the playful attitude. And if it really has been all worked out for years then that may be cool.

Or it may be Skrullverine and Skrullicia Masters all over again.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:28 / 14.06.07

The only hybrid I can think of off the top of my head is Hulkling, from the Young Avengers. He's Kree/Skrull, but has been exposed to a device meant to reveal his Skrull form - only it didn't, he stayed looking human (or Kree, rather). I would assume Reed Richards will come in at some point and explain that Skrull DNA mimics genetic material it combines with and defaults to that pattern while still imbuing standard Skrull shape-shifting tendencies.

18:34 / 14.06.07

so maybe they'll use Hulkling to show a character in conflict over his family/genetic loyalties or something. (although if memory serves that bit was already done in the main Young Avengers book)

Just please, Marvel, don't come out with a little business-card-sized checklist for all the "WHO IS A SKRULL?" tie-in issues like they always do.

20:08 / 14.06.07

Read the Bendis interview at Newsarama....seems fun. But I hope they don't move at a molasses-like pace til the Big Event in 2008.

Janean Patience

08:57 / 15.06.07

As big revelations go, that was pretty anticlimactic. I expected something that would recontextualise much of what we'd seen in New Avengers so far, a real "Woah, wait, but that means..." kind of a moment. The story's been set up for 30 issues or more, after all. Instead no-one appears to know what it means for the Hand and for the Marvel Universe that Elektra was a Skrull, and though a storyline where everyone's a suspect could be fun it's not like this was brilliantly foreshadowed. Shapeshifters take over SHIELD... wasn't that done in Ultimates already?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

14:39 / 15.06.07

Yeah, the Chitauri. It reminds me of a story that happened in Alan Davis's run on X-Men (or was it Uncanny?), shortly after Nightcrawler rejoined the team, when they were sent backwards in time and stuck on a pre-Galactus Skrull Homeworld battling Skrull duplicates of the Silver Age Marvel heroes with gimmicked powers. It was some sort of training camp for infiltration.

And presumably this happened to some extent during the Kree-Skrull War? And, like I said, Infinity War had evil dopplegangers and threatened marriages as well. Perhaps this new EVENT will be billed as "Like Infinity War, with less Adam Warlock?"

Essential Dazzler

23:13 / 13.07.07

So, on the way back from their Japanese adventures the NA's plane is taken down by Ultron's EMP.

But didn't Ultron's Attack take place mere hours after the MA formed?

I was under the impression that NA took place over a few days, and had the Ma appear on at least two occasions.

Do I just need to re-read and pay more attention or is the time-line fucked?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

00:10 / 14.07.07

Some was saying in another thread that ze thought it was a side effect of Thor returning from beyond and Donald Blake knocking his cane against the floor.

Twig the Wonder Kid

15:26 / 16.07.07

And I'm wondering how the tight interconnectedness between New Avengers and Mighty Avengers that Bendis promised is going to get thrown out by Cho going further and further off schedule.

Essential Dazzler

21:05 / 16.07.07

The Thor thing could make sense as an out if Cho really screws up, the Mighty Avengers EMP is mentioned in the NA recap page, if that isn't what took out the plane then why mention it?

So far there's been 6 NA to 3 MA issues hasn't there? It feels like so much less for both books, as enjoyable as they are (MA less so) everything's moving so glacially.

My Mom Thinks I'm Cool

16:38 / 25.07.07

So I've now picked up Mighty Avengers #4. I have to say that I was a little bored by this series at first (which is unusual for me since I usually love the putting-a-team-together part of a new comic), but I'm really starting to like this Ultron story.

Ooh! Let's see if I can remember how to do this:

[+] [-] Spoiler

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

18:25 / 27.07.07

I listened to the thirty billion hours of the Bendis Tapes over @ Wordbaloon while cleaning my kitchen yesterday. Some Skrullmageddon hints that I'd totally missed were mentioned:

During the "Kree Invasion" in Disassembled, there's a Skrull mixed in in the carnage. While apparently people on the Bendis Boards were bitching that it was an art error, it was apparently in the script.

There's also the repressed memory of a Spaceship that the Sentry has during the "Sentry" arc.

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