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Alex's Grandma
17:07 / 06.12.08
Yes.

It may just be that these big event things are too unweildy for the writers to handle. Has there ever been one that really worked?

World War Hulk was okay I suppose, but seeing as I can't remember what happened at the end of that, I'd have to say it was only a qualified success, personally.

And then other than that, Civil War was terrible (and I'm usually a fan of Mark Millar's stuff), Secret Invasion's been a bit disappointing, Final (or should I say Scheduling) Crisis seems like it's going to apply as a concept to a few careers at DC, if not the universe itself, and so on.

All right they do sell, so there are going to be more of them, but is there any point expecting them to be much good, really?
 
 
vajramukti
18:08 / 06.12.08
the only one I can recall being flat-out good was the unity event under early valiant comics. shooter was a fucking tyrant and he made sure everything hung together. it didn't hurt that the individual books were all good too.

demanding that the big two lurch from one top heavy event to another can only guarantee that shit books will last longer than they deserve, and good books will always be threatened by derailment.

and now marvel has decided that the pitch black satire of thunderbolts will be the template for the whole line? under the leadership of gifted satirist bendis? oh yes, that'll work out well...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:58 / 06.12.08
I really like the way BMB is allowed to shit on everyone else. That must be nice for him. He fucks things up by being allowed to wipe out almost all the mutants on the planet and now he's allowed to presumably fuck up whatever was being done on the Captain America title by bringing him back (despite both that title and The Mighty Thor being pretty damn sure the real deal was dead) and oh, it would seem he's decided Emma Frost is evil again.

I've not paid for any of these comics and I want my money back. The last issue isn't even remotely exciting. The Wasp will explode! Thor deals with it! The Skrull ships are still over the Earth! The Avengers deal with it of screen! The US President decides to relieve Tony Stark of power... and gives it to another morally questionable CEO! There's a portal to the Negative Zone where the Baxter Building used to be! Reed Richards flicks the button that turns it off and rebuilds the building, while Sue quips about going shopping because she has ovaries!

Bendis makes it wrong and perverted to like reading comics.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:03 / 06.12.08
Marvel are pretty open about the fact that most of their major stories are plotted by committee at the twice yearly retreats. I don't think Bendis is shitting over anyone. The No More Mutants was Joe Quesada's idea, which he arrived at with the full support of the X-Office editors and writers. He hasn't bought Captain America back, Ed Brubaker did that, in "Captain America" funnily enough (And it isn't Steve Rogers, he is still dead.) It's also very easy to come up with reasons for Emma to be in the Illumi-Naughty without being evil, especially with what's happening in the X-Men books currently.

Under Joe Quesada, Marvel has demonstrated an incredibly strong and unified creative direction, thanks in no small part to the decency and respect towards other creators work by people like Bendis.

Your second paragraph, I can't really argue with. The comic itself is a bit bobbins.
 
 
dark horse
22:16 / 06.12.08
dude that's the new cap (bucky).
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
07:59 / 07.12.08
To allay any Emma fears:

Bendis: "But Emma has wants as well. And is she willing to go this far to make them happen, in this climate?

And I'd like to publicly speak to Joss Whedon, whom I haven't spoken to about this. I'd like to tell Joss, I'm not going to undo all the work you did to make her awesome."
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:09 / 07.12.08
So when was the Captain America that came down in the escapeship at the start revealed to be one of the Skrulls?
 
 
Janean Patience
13:07 / 07.12.08
In New Avengers 43. Basically he's sparring with Spidey and in lengthy Bendis speech patterns and appearing to be the real thing, then he gets hit by darts from native (are the guys in the Savage Land indigenous?) blowpipes and turns into a Skrull. Another 22 pages done.

That was the big problem with the back-ups: they were back-ups. They'd each have been a decent eight-page back-up in the main title. But they were almnost three times the length with no more story.

Was there one that was even necessary? Putting the Nick Fury teens together, I guess. But their impact on the main story was minimal, and they also had the dumbest story when a team whose whole raison d'etre is that nobody knows who they are or that they even exist decide to reveal themselves to a definitely Skrully SHIELD.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:04 / 08.12.08
Was there one that was even necessary? Putting the Nick Fury teens together, I guess.

You know, if I actually read the comics people are talking about I'd probably have some kind of aneurysm, but when people on Barbelith describe them in bitter bullet points I'm overwhelmed with fondness. The Nick Fury Teens? I'm picturing a gang of warped-by-inconsistent-process Life Model Decoys, kvetching teenaged Nick Fury duplicates who Fury didn't have the heart to destroy in spite of their faults. Among them being Nicolette Fury, of course, who's tired of being thought of as just one of the boys in spite of her cigar-chomping and eyepatch. She burns for Real Human Grown-Up Nick Fury, but of course he can't and won't return the feeling. "I wish he'd notice me," she'd simper with one hand to her brow before gunning down twenty-seven Hydra agents.

I mean, it only makes sense in the Nineteen Sixties as a desperate, drug-addled alternative to the Metal Men that Marvel might have put out, but I'm going to be stuck with it for the rest of the night as it were.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:39 / 08.12.08
Papers, your brainwrongs make me happy. You really should pitch that to Marvel so that something good may come out of this clusterfucked crossover.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:35 / 14.12.08
I've read Dark Reign and, even by Bendis's standards, it makes no sense. I can't see any reason for any of these characters to trust one another, I can't see any reason for any of them to need anything from one another, I can't believe that even if Norman Osbourne had the Living Tribunal with his sad face behind the door holding a sign saying "you're fucked mate" that any of the villains would care, it's stupid and unstable and I can't see it hanging together until whatever next Summer's massive event that CHANG3S THE MARV3L UN1V3RS3 3EVAR!!!1 chucks out Norman Osbourne and replaces him with Rocky Racoon.

Oh, and when did Namor go crazy, or is that just another example of Bendis not bothering to write his characters in any way similar to the way they've been written over the last fifty years?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:27 / 14.12.08
Rocket Raccoon, surely?

(Which would be awesome, btw.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:28 / 14.12.08
And, actually, Rocket Raccoon has jet boots, the Green Goblin has a jet-powered slide, they both have green as a central design feature... I think, old chum, you might have stumbled on the saving of the Marvel universe.
 
 
osymandus
09:37 / 16.12.08
Rocky gets Rabid , Osborn infected dies a pointless death covered by vengful squirals in central part (go dark Squiral girl nibbler of justice), Rocky saved , becomes director of shield ...

It can work if we believe it can
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
13:02 / 16.12.08
dark reign: yes, it wasn't so much "of all the people it might have been behind the door, who was it?" as "there was somebody back there that doom and loki were afraid of? um, no there wasn't."

when did namor stop shaving and start going bald?

you guys know rocket raccoon's doing his thing over in dan abnett's Guardians of the Galaxy, right? I really wanted to like it, but.
 
 
ThePirateKing
20:40 / 22.09.09
There's no Captain America thread so I'm putting this here...

Anyone else reading Captain America Reborn the five issue special in which (we expet) good old Steve Rogers himself wil return?

The thing is... having really enjoyed the last three years of Ed Brubaker's run, the pay off for it all turns out to be a rip off of that LOST episode where Desmond is adrift in time with Penny as his 'constant'. Reborn has the consciousness of Captain America flicking through various important moments in his life (ie entering his own body but unable to change history) and he even knowingly refers to Sharron has his 'constant'.

Is anyone else dissappointed or am I judging too soon???
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:37 / 23.09.09
Couldn't get past issue #1 of reborn. I think I'm done with Captain America.

as for the rest of the Avengers... Mighty Avengers was entertaining for a bit.. but I find reading the online previews enough.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:37 / 25.09.09
You have, I think, correctly identified the problem with the franchise, Mr Tricks.

It looks as if one Edward Brubaker has (like one of the many, many silver and diamond mining operations I've invested in, globally) been asked to produce too much.

What's he writing now, about four comics a month?

The tit. He seeems broken-down, over-worked, and depressed.

I long for that sort of opportunity.

I feed on his naivety.

If he's not careful, I would, if pushed, consider myself to be an artistic genius. James Joyce; I could shit that, frankly, but where's the percentage? How much bloody money did Marcel shitting Proust make? Less than me, I reckon. Sitting in his bloody room, stripped doon to his under-crackers. Eating cakes, I had the flesh stripped off my back.
 
  

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