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rabideyemovement

01:09 / 17.05.07

Greer has always been in love with Pym, but her Tigra form turns her into a total slut. I'm pretty sure he dated Greer in the old West Coast Avengers, when she could still shift back and forth.

Phex: Dorset Doom

09:54 / 17.05.07

Ah, 'total slut' rabid?

11:13 / 17.05.07

Ah, 'total slut' rabid?

Quite a sufficient explanation for much of Wolverine's history.

Y'know, I missed the climactic bits of that Tigra arc, but really, for the most, she never was more sexual than many of the male heroes. I think it's just supposed to be cuter when it's Hawkeye making eyes and commentary at all the women.

But then, this was the WCA. Beware crazy mutant women who think un-genitaled robot fellers can get them pregnant, and all that.

I'm rarely happy that we're at a point where Bendis gets the high profile he does, but right now, looking back on Mocking Bird, Tigra, and the Scarlet Witch? Yeah: Yay, Bendis! (I'm sure it will pass.)

11:14 / 17.05.07

Appropriately in its' application - that reads, through kitteh filter: "Greer have always be in love with Pym, but Tigra form turn her into total slutzomg. I pretty sure he date Greer in old West Coast Avengers, when she still shift back and 4th. Mrow."

11:33 / 17.05.07

DeeDee, I think that point ('Yay, Bendis!') possibly requires rather more explication than writing the names of three female characters, two of whom the author has written for a combined total of something less than ten comics, the other of whom he has never, to my knowledge, scripted.

I'd suggest you maybe read the latest Mighty, which features his single usage of Bonnie Greer, aka Tigra - you can steal this off the internets, I did - and see if there's anything more salacious than a fortunately averted(!) consensual sexytime. I mean, it's always likely to be a bit exploitative, given Frank 'b00bz' Cho is drawing.

11:41 / 17.05.07

In a retrospecty kinda labelling way, it did feel, back in the late eighties that we were meant to feel a discomfortable 'I'm in yr Avngers sleepin with all yr d00dz!' vibe, but really it was a team with Hawkeye, Wonder Man, and Iron Man on it. The guys were mostly the ones who would pose readily for sexy photos and sleep with anything that said yes and wouldn't be bothered by them pretending it was Wanda. Ultron might as well have been considering developing them into a harem at that point - he may be trying in the new book - and Greer wasn't, she was just interested in different people at different times and heavily flirty.

Bendis does seem to have a real respect for what has come before, but he's looking at it from a slightly more mature perspective, sometimes, and I'm hoping doesn't go down the route that turned me off of Alias so intensely, with his Avengers books. I like a lot of his extrapolations, really, and his making the Scarlet Witch thoroughly nuts was sort where the building blocks had been falling for some time (since the WCA days, really).

Now, I missed a bit of New Avengers but have been told Agatha Harkness has returned and is not-dead. Yes/no/maybe?

11:46 / 17.05.07

To clarify on Bendis: I just find many of his extrapolations, as far as character histories and their present condition to make more sense than some of the things that happened in their past and then got ignored or treated as reasonable at the time, the Scarlet Witch stuff being a big one. The execution, I may have issues with, but the putting the pieces together is something I think he's doing well and it actually takes the sting out of some of the damage done to characters.

And he brought back Hawkeye. In disguise. That's way more respectful than that guy who killed him off. Oh. Still, it's a development that's keeping me interested, where the current oppose-the-authority dynamic might have led me to completely ignoring the New series.

12:25 / 17.05.07

Okay, cool, we're going somewhere interesting here, now, I think.

Now, I missed a bit of New Avengers but have been told Agatha Harkness has returned and is not-dead. Yes/no/maybe?

I'm somewhere between 'no/maybe' on this; it's in the 'official return of Hawkeye' issue of New, #26, which with its' Maleev art (I love him Boboss, shut up) persuaded me back onto the bandwagon for the title, something I've found no cause to regret since - anyway, yeah, Hawkeye finds a Wanda Maximoff at Wundagore Mountain (the town doesn't have a name, right?) with apparently no recollection of her life as was, sleeps with her, and boosts. It's all very lushly drawn, and something of an oddity, but she mentions an aunt Agatha, and in the closing the comic - I'd like to put it down to delibrate ambiguity, but it may be bad storytelling - has Hawkeye about to open a door to check if this aunt is there, recoiling from it and walking out into the early morning/evening.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:25 / 17.05.07

Just read #3 of Mighty Avengers and am pretty impressed with how Bendis starts to turn things around -- pacing kicks it up a notch. I'm still not terribly interested in Ares, but I liked the set-up for (1) a rivalry between Black Widow and Ms. Marvel over leadership of the Avengers and (2) the hint of a Widow-run S.H.I.E.L.D., which seems so bizarre on some many levels but so -right-.

Also digging the idea of Black Widow as SHIELD (former) double-agent with arachnid theme parelleling Spider-Woman over in New Avengers.

Do we think that Tigra will be brought in as a member?

10:04 / 18.05.07

Yes, but Athena has soft bits. Modern comics have no need of soft bits, unless they're to inspire young girls to heroism by bending over frequently, being raped, or horribly scarred so they're not so pretty and alluring and tricksy no more. None of that, please. We have Ares for the young childrens to look up to.

Besides, it's Ares. I may have that Kevin Smith guy in my head when I think about him, but it's still one of those 'when you have anti-tank missiles' kinda thing. When you are Ares, the strategy to call on is always, "I am Ares."

YOu know theres a letter pretty similar to what youve posted in a London Free paper this morning about the badly displayed forms of heriones and how they can only be raped , captured show clevage (except Wonder Woman).

Sigh i'd like to blame Mark Miller for all this i really would. Btw i missed what happened to the new female Ultron ?? Has no one figured out they just emp it then pull the arms off ??

Regrettable Juvenilia

10:38 / 18.05.07

What's interesting about Mighty Avengers to me is how much it reminds me of The Authority - I was already thinking this before the entirely absurd "I'm really glad we did this, Greer" scene, which I sort of detest on principle since it seems to exist solely to a) show that Hank Pym is a sexy super-scientist, and b) cater to a certain type of reader's furry fantasies which arise almost entirely from confusion about (not to mention lack of experience of) female sexuality - she's a bit of an animal, so she must be a bit of an animal - yes WE GET IT.

Anyway, back to the Authority comparison - the Mighty Avengers are a pretty hard team to love. Tony Stark's stock is so low that Bendis has had to essentially write him out for a while, and the rest of the team are described by Clint Barton in the latest NA as "corporate puppet muppet babies". There's a sort of glamour to them which Cho's art enhances, but it's the kind that's very glossy and alienating (and not just 'cos of the cheesecake factor) - they're all billionaires, celebrities, government agents or gods. There's nobody on the team you can really get behind or identify with (maybe we're supposed to feel that way about Carol Danvers or Jan van Dyne, but I'm not feeling it*). They're also not really the good guys. Especially if you're reading New Avengers, which is on fire recently and has an underdog team it's really easy to root for.

But almost all of them are hugely powerful, and they deal with planet-sized threats - the vibe Bendis is going for is that these are the only people who can save us, so whether or not they're right-wing douchebags or cold-blooded killers is irrelevant.

*The male/female split between the two teams is kind of discomforting in this regard - I'm pretty confident that this says something about the relative strength of Marvel's male and female characters... Bendis has implied, however, that some of the characters may switch teams as time goes by.

17:12 / 18.05.07

Apparently Marvel is saying something huge is going to happen in NA #31, some big conspiracy thing or something. Net speculation is already flying fast & furious...

02:52 / 19.05.07

I wonder if it mightn't have something to do with Luke Cage's penchant for a certain style of romance, and Ultron's new incarnation as a hott metal babe, and how the fall-out might impact on Tony Stark's career?

In today's ^^*****, anything's possible?

rabideyemovement

14:42 / 19.05.07

that would be one hilarious plotline.... I'm thinking we'll either see the evil mastermind behind the Raft break and the Stamford Incident, or we'll find Nick Fury...
Yet, what if they were one in the same? Eh?

13:40 / 22.05.07

I have heard speculation/theories that might be 100% true about this 'huge development' alluded to above... because someone at Marvel [or someone who knows someone at Marvel] tried to anonymously leak 'em. Anyone want to know?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:21 / 22.05.07

You could try posting them using the new +/- spoiler technologies plundered from the ancient Policy Worlds. I don't think anybody's used them in the Comics yet.

Janean Patience

15:37 / 22.05.07

Luke Cage's penchant for a certain style of romance

Reading Alias to the end, though, and following that with all Bendis's other Marvel work in which the Jessica Jones/Luke Cage romance is a continuing subplot, the fanboy assumption that in their initial one-night stand Cage was hittin' her ass up Greek style can't be true. Because she got pregnant.

In a way that's a shame. The idea that an act of anal penetration can lead to long-term superhero relationships, marriage even, is an idea so far unexplored in the Marvel universe. Why can't sodomy be given its chance to shine?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:50 / 22.05.07

Yes, of course, because you're only ever allowed to have one kind of sex in one kind of position in your life. Right. I can't even begin to...

I always forget that the Cage/Jess plotline goes through everything Bendis writes; has he written anything that it *hasn't* appeared in? And have we ever actually seen a comic with Jessica in it during her actual "Avengers" time?

Janean Patience

16:50 / 22.05.07

Luke Cage - 22 positions in a one-night stand
Luke Cage - Only call U after if U say I can
Luke Cage - Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
Luke Cage - If you want me baby hero I am

And no, there's no Bendis Marvel comic Jessica Jones hasn't been in. She even made it into House of M briefly. Is there an Ultimate Jessica Jones?

17:04 / 22.05.07

Cage was hittin' her ass up Greek style can't be true. Because she got pregnant.

Radically altered posthuman bodies? Besides, people can have sex more than one way during a one night stand.

And, anyway anyway, I think we've seen at least two flashback sequences of Jones as an Avenger, and the What If... issue that was existed mostly just for that. Anybody know if that What If... had anything revealing about actual continuity, or if it was any good?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:06 / 22.05.07

I gather it was terrible, and have such avoided it like the plague. I can't really be bothered with Marvel's What If stuff these days, on account of them always ending with "And then everyone died!" or similar.

Janean Patience

18:57 / 22.05.07

Bendis's What If... had Jessica Jones in the Avengers, talking to Scarlet Witch like none of the rest of them took time to do, and averting the events of Disassembled in doing so. Basically wish fulfilment; Bendis's good writing saving us from his bad writing.

00:26 / 23.05.07

Ultimate Jessica Jones popped up in one of the latest spidey issues as a student and reporter for the schools tv network.

How about Ultimate Power Man? Can't remember seeing him..

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

02:27 / 23.05.07

He was one of the lame Ultimate Defenders...walked around shirtless in track pants.

Spyder Todd 2008

02:30 / 25.05.07

Okay, so all this talk of Nick Fury's disappearance has me wondering: This happened in the painted "Secret War", right? Does anyone who read that want to give a synopsis? Is it worth picking up, or was the whole point for Nick to disappear for all of Bendis' books?

Janean Patience

06:46 / 25.05.07

SECRET WAR SPOILERS

Nick Fury found out that a host of Marvel bad guys with high-tech equipment were being financed by Latveria. Told to do nothing by SHIELD and the President because they didn't want to upset the new female ruler of Latveria, he put together a secret team of Luke Cage, Daredevil, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Cap, some others, went there and demolished the ruler's castle to teach her a stern lesson. A year later those heroes get attacked, the now super-powered ruler is in New York and sets off a bomb to destroy the city which is contained. Fury goes underground 'cause he's in trouble. The end.

Now I think you could probably do better than that on Wikipedia.

Janean Patience

06:52 / 25.05.07

Is it worth picking up?

It's like all Bendis's Marvel stuff - characters he likes, some decent dialogue, big ideas that don't really work out and a double-page spread of loads of heroes. Readable but empty.

07:01 / 25.05.07

The story is...okay. The artwork's fair, although I felt all of the villains looked a bit same-y. I did like Fury's list of alternative candidates for the strike force which does include an entertaining Plan B involving The Hulk and The Punisher.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:58 / 25.05.07

It's like all Bendis's Marvel stuff... Readable but empty.

Never picked up his run on Daredevil, then?

Janean Patience

11:45 / 25.05.07

No, the only Marvel work of his I've not read. I've heard good things about it, but I heard good things about Alias and New Avengers and wasn't much impressed by either of them. Bendis is a skilled writer, no doubt, but his fetish for minor Marvel characters and continuing attempts to turn the Marvel universe into a selective facsimile of the real world does nothing for me. I can't imagine Daredevil wouldn't contain the same mix of superheroes-in-street-clothes and bad guys doing really bad things so I'm not really interested.

Which is anyway threadrot.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

12:21 / 27.05.07

Wasn't it more a case of Fury having Daisy (Mr. Hyde's daughter, a long time shield agent, and a girl with vast seismic powers) blow much of the town the town and not just the castle?

Basicly, Fury called in favours to go make a run on Latveria, uses a plethora of marvel heroes to make a terrorist attack and attempt the assination of a foreign leader. And then, once the run is over? He mind wipes all of them save Cap, Natasha and Daisy.

So when the Latverian president and all the tech villains she's been running money and tech to all start to attack the people involved, no one knew why. Much drama is made of her putting Luke Cage in a coma and no one knowing why.

The whole mind-wipey thing being why it was called "Secret War". It's also why the heroes in general wern't more supportive of Fury in his absence... for example why the Avengers were more almost as distrustful of Jessica Drew because she worked for Fury, as they were that she worked for Hydra.

I for one, really like how Bendis has this giant over-arching story he's been working on. So many comics don't have "long builds" any more that I love seeing the threads assemble over the course of several years.

19:23 / 28.05.07

I for one, really like how Bendis has this giant over-arching story he's been working on. So many comics don't have "long builds" any more that I love seeing the threads assemble over the course of several years.

It's the question if there will be a payoff, though. Marvel editorial has been insisting that there was not and will not be any villian behind Civil War, that the SHRA is not just a desperate compromise but is objectively good, and so forth. And since the excuse for Iron Man doing dickish things for the last year is that he's been doing them for the greater good and the FUTURE!, I can't see them suddenly having him turn out to not only be a dick but be *wrong*, right as his movie comes out.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

20:31 / 28.05.07

Well, from the looks of Mighty Avengers, Tony seems to have an over-arching plan that includes the events of Civil War. Now, this is probably Bendis rolling with the editorial punches, but the Tony in Mighty Avengers appears to be both a dick, and right. At least given his "we need to find Luke Cage's Avengers before they do" cloak and daggers shtick.

I think it's very likely that Bendis is writing him as having some idea of what is at the heart of Hydra and Shield and the SHRA was his way of trying and fight that.

20:54 / 05.06.07

Well, from the looks of Mighty Avengers, Tony seems to have an over-arching plan that includes the events of Civil War. Now, this is probably Bendis rolling with the editorial punches, but the Tony in Mighty Avengers appears to be both a dick, and right. At least given his "we need to find Luke Cage's Avengers before they do" cloak and daggers shtick.

Well, Tony may think he has the New Avengers best interest in mind by capturing them, but considering the fate of the one person who surrendered himself to SHIELD custody, I'd take the protection of Doctor Strange _any_day.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

17:42 / 07.06.07

Oh, same here with not being too keen on Tony Stark's "plan". But I think Bendis is doing a good job at trying to salvage his motivations.

On the other hand, all the Skrull-duggery over in New Avengers: Illuminati (skrulls harvesting DNA, constant reminders that the stolen Skrull tech is dangerous, Tony and Reed stealing and patenting Skrull tech) has me worried that some of the Skrull-related rumors regarding the giant conspiracy at the heart of the Marvel U that the Avengers have been chasing are true.

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Fan speculation is rampant that the giant revaluation in New Avengers #31 is going to be that several Marvel heroes have been longtime Skrull insurgents.

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