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Star Wars - Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith (SPOILERS)

 
  

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_Boboss
11:27 / 18.05.05
i watched rotj over the weekend - best of the bunch i thought. the misses has been watching the OT so she's not completely without clue when i drag her anklewise to the cinema tomorrow teatime - she reckons jedi was the best, the riproaringest by way far, happy they ditched hammy acting for muppetts. wouldn't you? yes. yes i think i would. she described it as closest having the vague dreamworksy formula that you get in back to the future, indiana jones and goonies, top popcorn entertainment all.

and the next time someone says to you 'empire strikes back is actually *really* good, the dialogue's like casablanca' twat them for a twat: sorry, but that film draaaags.

tonight: clone wars season three, me and her, and tomorrow i'll be wearing my boba fett t-shirt aaaaall day. happy forcing.
 
 
uncle retrospective
15:05 / 18.05.05
I saw RotS on monday and it kicks ass! There are a few shitty bits but this is the first of the prequels to get me excited. I'll post a propper review later. This is just for anyone who maybe going tonight. It's great! Dark as all fuck to boot!
 
 
John Brown
16:37 / 18.05.05
http://darthside.blogspot.com/

Another example of others possessing a better grasp of Lucas' characters than Lucas himself.

And it's pretty funny.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
16:55 / 18.05.05
Babylon 5 blows Star Wars out of the water, no question about it.
 
 
Spaniel
17:18 / 18.05.05
Yeah, I like Garibaldi best. He's named after a biscuit.

We'll have to compare RotS notes on Saturday, Gummy.
 
 
The Falcon
17:45 / 18.05.05
This is a good thread.

I don't really give a shit about Star Wars, always much preferred Transformers as a yout.

Benny (#1 celebrant) almost has me convinced, but I watched Ep.1, with the suspiciously Jap aliens, and plot about trade embargoes imposed by said and by the time the AT-ATs showed up, I was on my way out the door for a beer and to forget.

Got a free spare ticket for 2 and quite enjoyed Ewan McGregor's transition from dullest to most overacted performance on same character, plus you know Jake the Mus in the asteroid belt, young Boba 'git 'im, dad!' That was quite good.

Why doesn't Yoda just move the bodies from under the giant column? That's so fucking dumb.

I might pay to see this.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
20:05 / 18.05.05
Yeah, I like Garibaldi best. He's named after a biscuit.

Y'know, in America the guy that played Garibaldi has a Center-Right Talk Show. I can't wait to return to the States just so I can call his show, and every night, say "Meeester Gahrihballdee!"

I'm sure he gets it all the time, but I'm easily amused.

I also say it every time I eat one of them tasty biscuits.
 
 
Ben Danes
23:39 / 18.05.05
Does anyone know whether he actually nonces them up as well?

No, he's not a DC Comics villain.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
01:38 / 19.05.05
Well, I'm just back from a midnight screening (I know... I know) and my opinion, un-asked-for as it may be, is that ROTS is a good film. The dialogue wasn't atrocious for the most part, and the performances were stonger than anywhere in the saga (mostly. Ian McEmporer really pissed me off by rolling around on the floor while fighting Mace Windu like that Japanese prostitute in Lost In Translation)
Now, this means that the worldwide Star Wars fans, the Jedi diaspora, can finally be sure that they have devoted their time and energy to a film saga that is really worthwhile. One that has more good films than shit ones.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
07:22 / 19.05.05
Amen to that bro.

My only regret is that he can't go back and make all 6 films as seamless a representation of his imagination as the rest. It's clear that Lucas and ILM and whoever where really just feeling their way toward this. The galaxy created here displays a nuance that I've honestly never seen before in a film. The creak of Clonetrooper boots in closeup as they carry out their new orders (and hell, every moment of the Order 66 montage), Yoda's fingernails, etcetera.

Although the melodrama is at its highest heights ever in the saga in this film (from Greivious' overall presence from the get go to Vader's climactic "Nooooo!") it was easily the most emotionaly engaging film of the saga, to me at least. The very definition of "Space Opera". Broad strokes, beautiful to look at.

And I didn't find any of the performances as cloying as they were in the first two films, and Ewan especially completely give this film its soul. There's a moment after the Mustafar sequence where he's just sort of coming to grips with what's happened that's really unlike anything in any other Star Wars film.

And it really does feel like one six part story, although this particular film raises the visual bar so high that even the prequels that came before it look out of place.

But something about hearing post-op Vader say Padme's name just locked the entire story into place. And it seems like Obi-Wan's ghost trick is some kind of secret Jedi merit badge.

Oh, and this is the best. 3PO alone had his memory wiped. Our little Artoo unit knew everything the entire time. Sneaky fucking droid.

Visually, the best looking sci fi fantasy film ever made, and I was actually quite surprised at least ten or fifteen times by any given turn of plot or particularly amazing moment (there's this bit outside the Jedi Temple, for instance, where Yoda whips his lightsaber into a clone trooper and then leaps up to retrieve it and then leaps off the dead body in one fluid move that just had the whole theater going batshit, but in this gaspy sort of "What, did that just, HOLY SHIT" kind of way).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:25 / 19.05.05
(from Greivious' overall presence from the get go to Vader's climactic "Nooooo!")

Fantastic! Is he running in slow motion and stretching out a hand at the same time?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
07:59 / 19.05.05
No. He's not. I said "Space. Opera." not "Team. America." I...guess...?...those four words might be interchangeable on some plane of reality?

Keep me posted!
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:57 / 19.05.05
My lord, I thought that the Vader Nooooo moment was one of the worst bits of the whole film. Here he is, that baddest baddy badddassss ever, and he's reborn as a stumbling idiot who asks how the missus he just choked is doing. Awful.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:37 / 19.05.05
Yeah that frankenstein bit was on the weaker side. overall enjoyable... could've been better but it's proven that it could've been worse.
 
 
akira
18:47 / 19.05.05
R2 is the coolest driod in the universe.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:55 / 19.05.05
I really enjoyed that, though I spent the first half hour trying to keep my eyes open (just come off a night shift- tiredness, rather than boredom). Yes, there were some very silly bits "I've got the higher ground"- "yes, but I'm actually quite good at jumping- AAARGH my legs" or whatever it was, and the whole Kashykk thing seemed like it was just there because, hey! people like Wookiees (not complaining, really- I like Wookies)... but overall, by far the best of the three.
I'll have to watch it again to be a bit more objective, but I thought it was ace. The dialogue, while not as bad as AOTC, was still VERY hammy, but it seemed pretty spot-on for this particular story.
And, of course, Yoda and R2D2 are still the coolest.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:08 / 19.05.05
Yoda taking out the imperial guards as though they were nothing got the biggest reaction from the audience that I watched it with.
 
 
■
22:20 / 19.05.05
It was OK. the first half was truly shitty and really jerky. I suspect that may have been a dodgy reel/projection problem, but I just couldn't focus on anything. It did improve a lot towards the end, but giving away the whole Luke/Leia thing was gratuitous and screws up the original trilogy for newcomers quite horribly. Should have just left Padme for dead and the whole sequence (within the film and as part of the overall six films) would have worked better.
 
 
Seth
00:00 / 20.05.05
One of the best opening shots of any film I've ever seen. It's worth paying London prices for this shot alone.

And I love Yoda's characterisation. So flawed, so passive, so guilt-ridden.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:49 / 20.05.05
It was alright. I was expecting worse and hoping for better. The first half of the movie was horrible and the second half was just really OKAY. The acting and dialogue were still bad and the "fantastic" fight scenes were cool for the first 10 min and then my eyes glazed over and they lost me.

And I'm still not convinced about Anakin’s switch to the dark side. And I don't buy that fanboy-"cause he was supposed to go bad"-copout of a line. The transformation was much too sudden. I mean, he's always been a dick, but he's never been evil, certainly not wicked enough to kill frightened children. Nothing in the previous two movies (or the first half of this one) indicates such cruelty. (Sand People... maybe?) One min he's lecturing Mace on Jedi etiquette and the next he's bowing down before Palp. What the fuck? I think the fall should've been done more subtly over the three movies.

Another disappointment was that Greivious character. They set him up as such a badass in the Clone Wars, but here he was crap. He talked too much, which subtracted him his mystique. He was kinda slow and clunky, and Obi-Wan took him out rather easily without the great feats of the animated Jedi that previously fought him.

Blah… I’m not wasting anymore time on this. At least we got two great animated seasons of Clone Wars.
 
 
vajramukti
03:48 / 20.05.05

I loved it. awesome awesome awesome. visually this is head and shoulders above the other films, put together. the fight scenes were also better executed and engaging than ever before. when anakin wrapped dooku's light saber and severed both his hands at the wrists, they just had me. it's exactly what i would do... and i only say that cause I'm into swordplay...not cause i'm a complete tool...lol.


and for whatever reason, I did buy anakin going over. you can just see the point where he loses his rudder entirely and logic goes out the window. the only thing he has to cling to is padme on one hand, and palpatine filling his head with bullshit on the other. it wasn't logical but emotionally i bought it. from the fight with mace onwards he's on the slippery slope justifying all the shit he's done five minutes ago. and the state of him after the fight with obi wan was fucking hardcore.

i do think natalie portman ought to have been a mute telepath or something, and yeah, 'noooo' was a fucking letdown, but that's life. I'll wait for the director's cut.

anyone who thinks the original three were models of high acting skill needs to sit down with them after a dose of anti-psychotic meds. it's amaturish sci fi melodrama, bordering on pulp. the prequels hold up to those films, and in many regards surpass them in execution.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
05:04 / 20.05.05
You might not want to buy this on general principle, but as far as Anakin turning too quickly, if you believe him, he doesn't really turn until Obi Wan steps off of Padme's cruiser and he believes she betrayed him. He thought destroying the Sith was more important than anything, even the order (which makes sense, since he's been inundated with talk of his destiny since he began his training, which has consisted of backslap after backslap), and was naively thinking he'd be best suited to destroy Palpatine by becoming Darth Vader and waiting for his opening. Empire makes a lot more sense in light of this.

The key, though, is the whole Dark Side/Light Side, Emotion/Reason deal. All of Anakin's motivations are based on his emotions, so it doesn't take much to send his poorly thought through machinations off the rails, until he finds himself actually protecting the Emperor in ROTJ as his shame finally consumes him completely. For a few minutes.

It's represented perfectly in his moment of destruction on Mustafar. Obi Wan tells him a fact: he has the higher ground. If Anakin tries anything else, he will be killed. Anakin says, "Fuck it," and goes ahead with his attack. Reason, obviously, wins.

And as far as spoiling Luke and Leia for future generations, I can't help but reiterate the fact that as far as future generations go, there is no more Star Wars Trilogy on either side. It is a six volume saga of the Rise and Fall (and Rise) of Anakin Skywalker. Obviously, some bits won't mesh completely, but I don't think there are any huge spikes of conflict over the course of the saga. You could argue that Leia's just more perceptive than Luke and her impressions of her mother (which she describes as such) merely come from that moment of birth where she is held by her. I wouldn't, but people can and will.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:10 / 20.05.05
Did anyone catch the Star Wars documentary Sky showed on tuesday? It was really interesting. They had everyone they feasibly could on it - from Lucas, Hamill, Oz, Baker, Ford and Fisher to Irvin Kershner and Gary Kurtz, to Christiansen, Neeson, and Peter Serafinowitz (I never realised the voice of Darth Maul was the same guy from Spaced, Shaun Of The Dead and Black Books...), to "celebrities" (Jessica Stephenson, Greg Ruzedski, Eamon Holmes) sharing their thoughts, mainly on the OT. I really enjoyed it. Plus it was funny how humble Serafinowitz was - comparing himself to James Earl Jones, he described himself as "a tiny little pea".
 
 
PatrickMM
15:41 / 20.05.05
I wouldn't have used "Nooo" per se, but I think the basic emotion of the moment was perfect. Yes, Darth Vader circa episode IV is the baddest badass, but after having all his skin burned off and getting trapped in this suit, do you really think he's going to be kicking ass immediately? I loved the fact that despite having waited so long to get to the Vader suit reveal, I was actually really sad when it happened, and didn't want to see him become that person, and reading some interviews with Lucas, that seems to be the entire point of this prequel trilogy, to show the tragedy of Darth Vader.

As for him turning, that's tougher to say. I think it was a bit too fast, but I could definitely see why he would go against the Jedi. They completely shut him out, and Palpatine is always there for him, to listen to his problems. So, when Windu decides to kill Palpatine, Anakin realizes the hypocriscy of the Jedi, and chooses to side with Palpatine, biding his time until he can take over. I think what he wants most is to give Padme the chance to govern the Republic, but when she rejects him, that's when he decides to embrace the dark side.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:52 / 20.05.05
I wouldn't have used "Nooo" per se

How about 'Wheeeeee"?
 
 
Rhayader
16:14 / 20.05.05
This was godawfull. I mean, come on! The first half is a mix of boring battle scenes and Grievous is a fill-in pseudo character that i had already completly forgotten before the end of the film. The rest was just a very badly written soap opera, over-dramatized with artificial settings. The fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan was anti-climatic, and what i was really looking forward, the battle between Yoda and Palpatine was overblown and tedious, and went up against the very principles that Yoda preached Luke in Ep. V and VI. I mean, he was the first to run away and give up when the odds of the fight were actually balanced.
The final minutes simply killed all the saga as a whole, showing everything and telling everything with all the letters, ruining it for anyone who is dumb enough in the future to watch for the frist time Ep. I to VI without knowing the story. "Luke, i'm your father" Bollocks! We've already know that from Ep. III, you sad geezer!
I think there were a few more criative ways to end this without spoilers, and Lucas opted for the most obvious, easy and fanboy approach. Let me rephrase it, it's not a terrible soap opera, it's a baddly written piece of crap fanfic!
I don't even know why i'm bothering with writting this, i could go on and on pointing out what made me hate this film, why almost all of the characters felt out of place, but i was actually looking forward to this, since Ep. II had quite a few interesting and suggesting scenes, even if every prequel movie is substandard and i've always watch them with a grain of salt.
Christopher Lee must have been bored with his part and wanted to disappear from this disaster very quickly.
I know some of you loved the movie, so please be gentle. I right now i'm just too enraged.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:36 / 20.05.05
I felt they could have played up MACE WINDO as being a Jedi who's motivations & actions could be looked upon with greater suspicion. In my head, Anakin could see him as a potential traitor to the Jedi cause and thus more easily manipulated by Palpatine. His choice to join Palpatine should have also included more arrogance/idealism. Believing that being "the chosen one" would immunise him from the treat of the dark side's seduction.

One thing that bugged me from the beginning. Don't they have Condoms in a galaxy far far away? I just didn't believe the accidental pregnancy... it should have been more of a conscious choice with Anakin deluding himself (& padme) into believing he could lead two lives; one as a Jedi and another as a husband/father.

Yoda should also have been injured in the assassination attempt, just so he could lay in the mud and have a vision of Q-gon telling him to go to Degoba just like BEN did for Luke in ESB.

maybe I'll go see it again and close my eyes and imagine those scenes at the appropriate times . . .
 
 
■
16:50 / 20.05.05
How about 'Wheeeeee"?

Khaaaaaaaan!
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:57 / 20.05.05
SOmeone on another board pointed out that DARTH VADAR wouldn't have said "Is she all right?" and would have instead said "Is she safe?"

I would have prefered it if after seeing Obi-wan he desided that Padme was an unfit mother and used the force to induce a premature labor. Saying "I will raise my son without you!" Then she could plausably die during labor and everyone is surprised when it's twins.
 
 
Spaniel
17:17 / 20.05.05
Poor Padme, she died of a broken heart.

But, that said, I did enjoy it. Yeah, it was still cartoony - especially the first 45 mins - and yeah it was bad soap-opera, but, IMO, the acting was a lot better and the dialogue wasn't godawful, and, you know, spaceships and lightsabres and stuff.

Hmm, I wonder how well it will fare on a second viewing - without that rushofthenew to see it through? I suspect I'll like it a lot less, but, oh well, I had a good time today.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:30 / 20.05.05
How does it ruin the films for future generations? That scene is about Luke finding out the truth, not you. If I picked up any novel and started in the middle, I'm sure a great many things would surprise me.

Also, I don't think Vader would have said "safe". That's basically like saying, "I know I choked the shit (and possibly fetus) out of her, but I'm sure she's fine. Where'd you stash her?" Boo to that.

After seeing it again, I was a lot more engaged with the first half, since I wasn't just begging it to go faster so I could find out what happens to all the perr wee Jedi. R2D2 carried that entire half hour on his back, though. He was both HIlarious and badass. The way he's all crouching behind the barrels and shit. No WONDER they let him know everything.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
19:11 / 20.05.05
hey, haven't watched this yet but read a lot of spoiler-filled reviews.

I know the fate of Padmé. but just yesterday I saw EP VI on cable and something came up: when Luke tells Lea he's Vader's son and she is his own sister, he asks her if she has any memories of her mother. to which she replies her mother was a very gentle - yet sad - woman.

ok, Lea had an adoptive mother, but knew right away she was a princess. everybody calls her like that. how come she recalls that much about a mother she never met?

I may be talking out of my ass but not bigger damage can be done after what Lucas did himself.
 
 
Tamayyurt
19:53 / 20.05.05
Shhhh, quiet. If Lucas hears you he'll go back and "remaster" Leia's line and make everyone pay for new updated versions of the DVDs... again.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:41 / 20.05.05
The final minutes simply killed all the saga as a whole, showing everything and telling everything with all the letters, ruining it for anyone who is dumb enough in the future to watch for the frist time Ep. I to VI without knowing the story. "Luke, i'm your father" Bollocks! We've already know that from Ep. III, you sad geezer!

The character's name is Luke Skywalker and he's hanging out with his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. If you can't figure Darth Vader is his father from that...

I'm sure people will still watch it in the order they were made, so for some the fact that Darth Vader is his father will still be a surprise, but the whole point of doing the prequels was to show the tragic fall of Anakin Skywalker, and make you better understand what Vader was doing in the original trilogy. To do this, I think it's better if we understand that the people he's fighting against are his own children. I'll never know, but I think it would work.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:27 / 20.05.05
>>>How does it ruin the films for future generations? That scene is about Luke finding out the truth, not you.<<<

Well, yes, but before all these new prequels, that scene was a revelation to the audience as much as Luke.

And although I haven't seen Episode 3 yet, I'm willing to make a pretty hefty wager that the scene in Empire carries a shitload more dramatic weight WITHOUT the "context" of the prequels.

Even the POSITIVE reviews of Revenge of the Sith make it sound like a total piece of shit.
 
  

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