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Star Wars - Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith (SPOILERS)

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
21:33 / 20.05.05
The character's name is Luke Skywalker and he's hanging out with his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.

Yeah, but Skywalker's a very common name. Presumably, or else soomebody would surely say at some point "Skywalker? Of the destroyed-the-republic-and-got-totally-fucking-robotman Skywalkers? How fascinating..."
 
 
diz
21:35 / 20.05.05
The final minutes simply killed all the saga as a whole, showing everything and telling everything with all the letters, ruining it for anyone who is dumb enough in the future to watch for the frist time Ep. I to VI without knowing the story.

well, to be fair, that was the intention from the moment the prequels were announced. it would be impossible to do the prequels without giving away that Vader is Anakin Skywalker, and so no attempt to preserve that mystery was ever intended. i'm not sure what you were expecting in that regard.

the big surprise for people viewing it in order from Episodes I-VI are Palpatine = Sidious, the fall of the Republic and Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.

I know the fate of Padmé. but just yesterday I saw EP VI on cable and something came up: when Luke tells Lea he's Vader's son and she is his own sister, he asks her if she has any memories of her mother. to which she replies her mother was a very gentle - yet sad - woman.

the official story is that Leia remembers a vague impression of her mother that she got through the Force.

ok, Lea had an adoptive mother, but knew right away she was a princess. everybody calls her like that. how come she recalls that much about a mother she never met?

Leia is a Princess because her adoptive parents are themselves titled nobility on Alderaan, not because her birth mother at one point in her career served as Queen of Naboo, which, it's worth mentioning, is an elected position and not heritable anyway.

yes, i think the idea that the monarchy of Naboo is democratically-elected is completely inane, but there you go.
 
 
diz
21:37 / 20.05.05
Yeah, but Skywalker's a very common name. Presumably, or else soomebody would surely say at some point "Skywalker? Of the destroyed-the-republic-and-got-totally-fucking-robotman Skywalkers? How fascinating..."

i don't believe that the fact that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker is common knowledge, actually. Anakin is probably presumed by most to have died in the Jedi purge with everybody else.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:45 / 20.05.05
Actually, after Anakin's conversation with Padme on Mustafar, I'd say the confrontation with Luke, where Vader makes almost the same offer he made to Padme, has more resonance now than it did when it was simply about Luke coming to grips with the truth.

And just because a review comes up as "Fresh" on RT, their hardly what I'd describe as positive. Honestly, it might not be to everyone's tastes, but I'd hardly describe something this visually and technically accomplished as a "piece of shit". If I found myself emotionally engaged with it and someone else didn't, does that mean that the film is flawed and I'm the one with cognitive deficiencies or is it just a matter of personal preference?

I'd consider myself reasonably intelligent and I didn't once have to brainwash myself into ignoring something awful in order to get to the credits feeling satisfied. And isn't that the criteria by which films or any art are to be judged? That you're propelled to the end without wanting to leap off and that said end leaves you satisfied? If some people felt like leaping off (or that something pushed them off) they're more than welcome to their completely valid opinion, but if even one person made it to the end without having to slice out parts of their brain, then labeling it as feces seems a bit misplaced.

Sure there were parts I wasn't crazy about. I didn't like Grevious' overall personality, but before my brain could yank me out of the narrative to mull over it, there was something I truly enjoyed the hell out of right in front of me. I'd categorize a "piece of shit" movie as one that at no point engages you or anyone else, so flawed is it on every possible level.

But, like everything else here, that's just one person's opinion.
 
 
■
21:46 / 20.05.05
and Rove [ahem] sorry, Palpatine, wouldn't have wanted anyone to tie George [cough] sorry, Vader, to the Nazi coup of Germany leading to their ability to control America through which they both became incredibly powerful [hack, hack..] oh, sod it, you get the idea.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:55 / 20.05.05
Grevious? Is that you?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh that was a terrible choice.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:57 / 20.05.05
>>>Honestly, it might not be to everyone's tastes, but I'd hardly describe something this visually and technically accomplished as a "piece of shit".<<<

I haven't seen it yet, so I'll cop to having a less-informed argument than those that have.

However, from all that I've seen in clips and trailers, from all that reliable friends have told me, Lucas over-eggs the pudding at every conceivable opportunity, so that every frame of film is stuffed with so much CGI detail that it just becomes a numbing, unfocused, chaotic mess. My two studio partners came back from a screening late last night and they had a shell-shocked look to them, they seemed exhausted from it rather than invigorated. On that level alone I'm inclined to think it's a visual failure...

>>>I'd categorize a "piece of shit" movie as one that at no point engages you or anyone else, so flawed is it on every possible level.<<<

Which is precisely how I felt about Episodes 1 and 2, and despite the general consensus that it's better than the last two, I still think I'd feel the same about 3...
 
 
PatrickMM
23:55 / 20.05.05
There definitely is a lot going on, and some scenes, like the opening, have more stuff happening than you can possibly take in, but in the moments that matter most, it's actually rather minimalist. Obi-Wan's speech to Anakin as he's being burned, the birth of the twins, the revelation of the Vader suit all don't have anything going on in the background.

There's definitely times where Lucas abuses CGI, the whole Utapau campaign most notably, but generally speaking it's used to set background, you can always keep your focus on the characters. The one thing I really wish is Lucas would not have CGIed the clone troopers. They just don't look as good as real suits would have, it's one thing to use the CGI for a stunt double, but there's no reason not to make a real version for dialogue scenes.
 
 
wicker woman
02:24 / 21.05.05
Order 66 was pretty genuinely horrible. Kudos to Lucas for doing a really effective job with that part... won't go into too much detail until I'm sure more people have seen the film.
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
02:32 / 21.05.05
I'm just about an hour home from a midnight showing of it, and Im actually incredibly surprised by how...well...absolutely brilliant it was.

I'll be the first to hold my hand up and say I was expecting crap after Eps I and II, but I was so wrong.

Emotional involvement in a Star Wars film? Wha...? My thoughts on this: (quite befuddled 'cos it's 4am, I've been for 22 hours and have to be up again in about 4 hours to go to a wedding, so bear with me).

The most emotionally involving part of the original trilogy is obviously the end of 'Empire'. Luke finds out Vader's the daddy and loses his hand, Han's encased in carbonite and carted off to become the Hutt equivalent of an Andy Warhol and everyone's all sad. However, it's hard to really care because they're the heroes - we know that Luke'll get over it. We know they'll save Han.

Hell, watching them now, we know that Han and Leia will have kids, Luke will marry and found a Jedi Academy...it's hard to get into the emotion of the moment.

With 'Sith', however, I actually had tears in my eyes four times.

1) The betrayal of the Jedi. Those scenes with the Clones cutting down Ki-Adi Mundi, Shaak-Ti and the rest floored me, possibly because I am aware of the characters and the 'expanded universe' stuff (and by the way, is it just me or is Shaak-Ti the coolest Jedi ever? See 'Clone Wars' chapters 20 and 22-25 for details...). However, I defy anyone not to be moved by Anakin activating his lightsaber when the younglings ask what's happening... The music (is the piece called 'The Lament?' was perfect here.

2) Padme. Ah, dear sweet Natalie Portman. Proved in 'Garden State' and 'Closer' that she could act and proves here that even leaden dialogue can't stop her wringing emotion out of a scene. Her confrontation with Anakin and her death were both somewhat moving.

3) Obi-Wan at the end of the Mustafar duel. "Don't do it, Anakin." Despite the accent, McGregor really pulled it off here. He was the best thing in 'Clones' and second only to Jar-Jar...joking, to Qui-Gon in 'Menace', and here he's pipped only by Iain McDiarmid's panto performance, but he does bring genuine sorrow to Obi-Wan, unable to tear his eyes away from the burning Anakin: "You were my BROTHER! I loved you!"

4) This one may be controversial, but I have a good reason for it. Yoda, after he is rescued from Coruscant by Organa. "Into exile I must go...failed I have..." The CG here was excellent (and everywhere, I might add), coming as close to muppet-Yoda as we've seen in the prequels, and it particularly works as an echo of Shaak-Ti's words in chapter 25 of 'Clone Wars'. Why does it work? Shaak-Ti's failure was to save Palpatine. Yoda's was to stop him. The circle is complete.

Kudos to McGregor, Portman, McDiarmid and, yes, Christensen on their performances, but the best performance in the film came almost right at the end, in the scene on the Star Destroyer. Who was it? Peter Cushing. Or at least, the CGI Young Peter Cushing. Seriously, the attention to detail...

Also, one last note before I slope off to bed. I love that 'Clone Wars' was acknowledged in the film by having Grievous already damaged at the start after Windu force-blasted him in chapter 25. Nice.

So, conclusionally, pleasantly surprised I was. Best instalment of the saga this is...better even than 'Empire', I feel, because of the genuine emotional impact.

Comments?
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
02:48 / 21.05.05
Ooh, a couple more things. Just reading back some posts there, Benjamin pointed out a few things I wanna comment on.

First, R2-D2 knowing everything makes so much sense in 4-6. It explains why he's so protective of Luke and Leia, why he's so agitated on Dagobah when Yoda appears and why he's willing to go through what he does on Tatooine in both 'A New Hope' and 'Jedi' without complaint. Artoo is also the only character to have the full story and no bias - he is the viewer's representative. It also allows, in future novels or whatever, for Luke to find out the truth and pass it on to pupils. It works.

Next, Darth Vader invoking Padme. That scene really is the emotional crux of the 'prequels', in the same way that "I am a Jedi...like my father before me" is for the OT. It ties it all together and completely makes clear what Anakin/Vader is about. He is torn in three in the early stages of the film - the Council, Palpatine and Padme, and by the end the Council is no issue, Palpatine is his master and saviour, no conflict there (yet!) and Padme is still the only thing he cares about.

That's me for now.
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
02:56 / 21.05.05
Nope, that's not me done yet.(bed...neeed beddddd)

To these people who are claiming that the great revelations of the OT will be ruined by 'Sith', I have this to say.

Why do the films have to be about the plot twists? My feeling is that now we have the whole story, the films can be more about the characters. Luke is a far more compelling figure when he is compared to his father. Seeing him resist the lure of the Dark Side, when he is sorely tempted is much more interesting now. Interesting because he is tempted merely by the offer of temporal power, while Anakin's fall was for ephemeral, emotional reasons. Luke is now a tragic, flawed figure when compared to Anakin. Anakin is truly heroic, sacrificing himself (in a manner of speaking) for, he thinks, the woman he loves, but being tricked (heroic, but kinda dumb), while Luke, although he ultimately resists, is tempted by the very idea of the Dark Side.

Just a thought.

Also, to anyone who's read a lot of the post-OT novels: does Luke eventually fall to the Dark Side? I know he marries Mara Jade, but I've not really read much past the 'Heir to the Empire' books, so I'm not entirely sure of the situation. Also, does young Anakin Solo die at some point? And is it Jacen and Jaina that Chewie sacrifices himself to save?
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
02:56 / 21.05.05
Nope, that's not me done yet.(bed...neeed beddddd)

To these people who are claiming that the great revelations of the OT will be ruined by 'Sith', I have this to say.

Why do the films have to be about the plot twists? My feeling is that now we have the whole story, the films can be more about the characters. Luke is a far more compelling figure when he is compared to his father. Seeing him resist the lure of the Dark Side, when he is sorely tempted is much more interesting now. Interesting because he is tempted merely by the offer of temporal power, while Anakin's fall was for ephemeral, emotional reasons. Luke is now a tragic, flawed figure when compared to Anakin. Anakin is truly heroic, sacrificing himself (in a manner of speaking) for, he thinks, the woman he loves, but being tricked (heroic, but kinda dumb), while Luke, although he ultimately resists, is tempted by the very idea of the Dark Side.

Just a thought.

Also, to anyone who's read a lot of the post-OT novels: does Luke eventually fall to the Dark Side? I know he marries Mara Jade, but I've not really read much past the 'Heir to the Empire' books, so I'm not entirely sure of the situation. Also, does young Anakin Solo die at some point? And is it Jacen and Jaina that Chewie sacrifices himself to save?
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
02:56 / 21.05.05
Nope, that's not me done yet.(bed...neeed beddddd)

To these people who are claiming that the great revelations of the OT will be ruined by 'Sith', I have this to say.

Why do the films have to be about the plot twists? My feeling is that now we have the whole story, the films can be more about the characters. Luke is a far more compelling figure when he is compared to his father. Seeing him resist the lure of the Dark Side, when he is sorely tempted is much more interesting now. Interesting because he is tempted merely by the offer of temporal power, while Anakin's fall was for ephemeral, emotional reasons. Luke is now a tragic, flawed figure when compared to Anakin. Anakin is truly heroic, sacrificing himself (in a manner of speaking) for, he thinks, the woman he loves, but being tricked (heroic, but kinda dumb), while Luke, although he ultimately resists, is tempted by the very idea of the Dark Side.

Just a thought.

Also, to anyone who's read a lot of the post-OT novels: does Luke eventually fall to the Dark Side? I know he marries Mara Jade, but I've not really read much past the 'Heir to the Empire' books, so I'm not entirely sure of the situation. Also, does young Anakin Solo die at some point? And is it Jacen and Jaina that Chewie sacrifices himself to save?
 
 
PatrickMM
03:08 / 21.05.05
About the post OT, I believe Luke flirts with the dark side in Dark Empire, the comic book series, but does not ultimately cross over. And, the fact that R2 can convey all the information from the prequels could be huge in the books, it's a great little twist.

And I'd also agree about the emotional impact. RotS had a real feeling of loss and despair that even Empire cannot touch. You feel like the entire universe is falling apart, and that fighting it is futile. From Code 66 on, the entire film is emotional blow after emotional blow, and that's something no Star Wars has done before. And it's not just the high profile moments, stuff like Yoda realizing he's failed or the shock the Jedi feel as the clones betray them really got to me.
 
 
Triplets
03:54 / 21.05.05
The CGI Peter Cushing was actually a real bloke, ED. It's Scorpius from Farscape under a faceload of latex. Fo shizzle!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
06:25 / 21.05.05
Totally agree about emotional impact.

I remember hearing what would eventually be the Order 66 music on the soundtrack and being all "Oh this has got to be the slaughter/betrayal of the Jedi" and my mind proceeded to fabricate all manner of different scenarios. Every single one surpassed my expectations in visual narrative. Again, thanks to the nuance of the effects. I agree, Lucas knew exactly when to pare down the density of detail and this sequence is a great example. The clone trooper boots shot, I keep coming back to it because its such a perfect representation of the turning point for the rest of the galaxy. The sequence also leads to the most legitimately thrilling moments, when Yoda kicks absolute ass over he potential assassins. And it's so thrilling because of what you've just scene and your emotional investment. Sure, score is the most transparent of emotional manipulation, but Williams is SO good at it. I mean, that was the some of the most beautiful and heartbreaking music in the saga.

Second time around I was emotionally wrecked for pretty much everything from 66 onward. Perfect example of a performance elevating the stilted dialogue and making it work, was President Matt Santos' "So it is" to the Clone Troopers. That was some high drama ish!

I also agree about the OT and being secure in the knowledge that the heroes were going to win out completely. I never really saw Empire until after Jedi so I was never really freaking about Han's chances or any of the other stuff. Here it's just Jedi after Jedi left to decompose on a planet so far from their home. Having read some of the EU stuff as well probably added a bit to that sequence, I'll admit.

And yeah, authors are gonna have a frickin' field day with Artoo still being around, the stoic motherfucker. I think that development more than any other is going to cause this movie to keep making such obscene amounts of money. It's the big reveal. "Dude, Artoo knew the WHOLE time." "No way. I gotta see this shit."

Come to think of it, what are my plans tomorrow?
 
 
vajramukti
13:03 / 21.05.05
upon further reflection i can only conclude....

that Mace Windu is a hard motherfucker, you know what!

He made Palpatine crawl on the ground and scream like the bitch he was. If Anakin hadn't punked on him, that woulda been it for the fucking dark side of the force.

I can just see Mace in a shaft jacket ' you're under arrest mother-fucker! ' Jackson is really really good with so little to work with.

that fight was so tense, and the aftermath just wrecked me.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
14:40 / 21.05.05
This review needs a bit of context. I went into this movie with thoughts of Ep 1, 2, and Return of the Jedi in my mind.

I came away giving Ep 3 the benefit of the doubt in two aspects. One, Episode 2 should have been Episode 1. And this movie - Revenge of the Sith - should have been split in two. There was simply too much ground for one movie to cover. I don't believe this should be held against Episode 3 as a movie as such. Sins of the father and all that.

Second, I had watched Return of the Jedi the night before, my personal favourite of the originals. I haven't seen any of them in quite some time, and watching it now it hit me just how pulpy those movies were. I don't mean that as an attack, of course. RotJ has plenty of bizarre plot points and the Ewoks were obviously the spiritual predecessors of the Gungans. In a word, the original trilogy was not infallible, and it is unfair to compare the prequels to them as if they were. This doesn't redeem Eps 1 or 2 in any way, but it gives some leeway to Ep 3.

I think that takes care of two of the main criticisms that could be levelled at Ep 3. Too much happened, and there was an awful lot of pulpiness.

One thing the originals always had that the prequels don't, of course, is humanity. Watching RotJ, it's easy to be reminded how cool Han Solo was. There is no one truly likable in the prequels. All three are much more sterile.

Now, Ep 3 itself. Specific annoyance: A2D2. The first half hour of the movie, he was a smug little toy that could have been blown out of an airlock and the audience would have cheered. Then he went away. Enough said.

The dialogue, for the most part, was very workhorse. Very little that was clever or interesting. Same with the acting; though Hayden Christensan managed to upgrade from whiny bitch to angsty teenager. Same species, just a little less grating.

This changed in the last half hour. When Kenobie confronts the newly minted Vader and Yoda goes after Palpatine, I thought the acting and dialogue finally found their footing. Ewen McGregor in particular did a fantastic job with some genuinely sad dialogue, half mourning, half pleading. And Yoda had the best line of the movie, in response to Palpatine's "The Jedi are no more!" --- "Not if anything I have to say about it."

This was probably the best looking movie ever. The battle scenes were spectacular; I promise, these are the best fantasy-sci-fi battle scenes ever filmed. I can't imagine them being topped anytime soon.

When the climax was arriving, I was riveted. As Samuel L. Jackson's character went to confront Palpatine, I was into it. I even had a sense of dread, something the other prequels never generated.

So. Keeping in mind that this movie gets a free pass on the many silly plotpoints and the overstuffed narrative, I'm going to just say it: Episode III can stand with the original trilogy. My first instinct was to call it better than Return of the Jedi; maybe I was hasty. But it certainly is a contender. Maybe the best I can say is this: the sins of Jar Jar have been erased. That might be enough.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:49 / 21.05.05
He made Palpatine crawl on the ground and scream like the bitch he was.

As much as I love Mace, I believe Palpatine sensed Anakin coming and decided to make himself look helpless in order to make Mace look bad… Palpatine is nobody’s bitch.
 
 
vajramukti
15:13 / 21.05.05
I dunno about that. remember that Palp was already down when anakin walked in, and then he blasted mace with the force lightning whammy even so, scarring himself all to hell.

the impression I get is that for all the hoopla from the dark side bitches, it's really not as strong as they say it is. It seems to give you a boost if you're already strong with the light side, and you dip into it in a pinch, like luke does in jedi, or anakin does when he beats dooku, but if that's all you got, you're fucked if you're up against someone like mace or yoda, or even obi wan. first it seduces you with easy power, then it twists your mind, then you're a strung out addict who has to rely on lies and scheming, running away or begging to get yourself out of trouble. at his very peak of power, anakin isn't anywhere near as strong as he >thinks< he is, and obi wan fucks him up.

same with palpatine and mace. I'm sure palpatine would've loved to kill mace before anakin even showed up, and make up more bullshit about treason and asassination. he already left three dead jedi in the lobby mind you.

I'm also thinking of his fight with yoda. he gets knocked on his ass and falls over his chair like a senile old nazi with a broken hip. then he has to stand back and hurl pods at him, before running away. it's pretty clear lucas is saying the dark side aint all that.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:25 / 21.05.05
Ah, you know Yoda's best line was:

"If so powerful you are..."
*saber twirl, IGNITE*
"...why leave?"
 
 
vajramukti
15:34 / 21.05.05
and actually now that i think of it: right after the fight with Mace, anakin swears to do whatever Palpatine says if he'll save pamde. Palpatine then ADMITS that he doesn't have the power to do that. ' only one had that ability ' and Palpatine implied that he killed that guy in his sleep. He then says some crap about finding the power together, or some punk bitch whining like that.

So there you have it. Palpatine is, in fact, Mace's bitch. and let's not even get started on Yoda...
 
 
sleazenation
21:36 / 21.05.05
Saw it last night expecting not much at all... and wasn't really surprised or disappointed.

It achieved the minor goal of being better than episode I, but other than that Revenge of the Sith only served to re-enforce once again that Lucas can't write convincing engaging stories. He needs an editor. Badly. You can see almost what he's trying to do a lot of the time but he never quite manages to pull it off.

Much of the film appears to be spent filling in the blanks; the jedi council apart from Obi-wan and Yoda don't appear in episode IV-VI so they all have to be killed off. In a 2 minute montage sequence. These are supposed to be the best of the best and they are wiped out as if they were crappy battle droids.

I could go on at length, but it really isn't worth it. It's not a particularly good film that contains numerous logical fallacies.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:27 / 21.05.05
Now, Ep 3 itself. Specific annoyance: A2D2. The first half hour of the movie, he was a smug little toy that could have been blown out of an airlock and the audience would have cheered. Then he went away. Enough said.

Was he the gold one? Because the theater I was in shit themselves with glee when R2 set fire to those Super Battle Droids after his whole "Guys, shut up. SHUT UP." thing.

This was probably the best looking movie ever. The battle scenes were spectacular; I promise, these are the best fantasy-sci-fi battle scenes ever filmed. I can't imagine them being topped anytime soon.

Right?

the jedi council apart from Obi-wan and Yoda don't appear in episode IV-VI so they all have to be killed off.

(Actually, they have to be killed off because Obi Wan says they were. There were no Gungans in IV - VI but no one killed them off. Also, no Toydarians. WHERE'S THEIR GENOCIDE? I WANT PILES OF TINY DEAD BLUE CORPSES OR MY TEN BUCKS BACK! [Actually, now that I think about it...])

In a 2 minute montage sequence. These are supposed to be the best of the best and they are wiped out as if they were crappy battle droids.

Dude, they were surrounded by humans with guns and, ah never mind.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
03:14 / 22.05.05
Once again, like picking gold nuggets out of shit.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
03:37 / 22.05.05
I disagree.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:27 / 22.05.05
Guy tries to improve his station in life and his girlfriend and best friend freak out. Bummer.

(did you see the young jedi who took out some troopers before being gunned down at the Temple? I heard that was Lucas' kid. I woulda loved to have that role. As the Jedi who takes out some troopers before being gunned down that is, not having George Lucas as my father. ALthough I imagine being his kid, you'd have some pretty cool toys)
 
 
sleazenation
11:11 / 22.05.05
Jack... Lucas is your father... search your feelings, you know this to be true...
 
 
nedrichards is confused
11:44 / 22.05.05
Having recently been doing some interaction design on a walkie talkie style product it was R2's inability to set 'silent mode' that was my fave part. Apart from that I only want to echo the lovers and damn the haters. It was good.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:05 / 22.05.05
The exact point at which Darth Vader becomes completely non-scary, forever:

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
 
 
Triplets
13:21 / 22.05.05
You mean: Noooooooooooooo!
 
 
CameronStewart
14:08 / 22.05.05
Hooleeeee shit. I'd of course heard about that wailing "Noooooo" and how stupid it was but actually hearing that sound clp is worse than I'd imagined.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:24 / 22.05.05
Oh believe me, it's actually WORSE in context.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:24 / 22.05.05
OMGLOL. Complaining about the "Noooo" is so May 21st.
 
  

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