BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Star Wars - Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith (SPOILERS)

 
  

Page: 1 ... 1516171819(20)

 
 
matthew.
12:55 / 05.05.06
I think I'll only buy Empire Strikes Back. And if I have some extra cash, and only, Return of the Jedi. Empire was the only good Star Wars and remains the only good one. Jedi has a very cartoonish and amateurish feel to it.

But I am happy that they're putting these out. It certainly smacks of Lucas desiring more cheddar, but they are the "original" vision that we grew up with.

I feel bad for the kids who have only seen the 1997 special edition versions, with the poorly integrated special effects and bizarre story tweaking.

(Watched chapters 6 through 9 of Clone Wars and I'm thinking they're awesome!! Are the rest of them as good as 6 through 9? Should I purchase these?)
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:01 / 05.05.06
Yes, you should.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:05 / 05.05.06
I've also read that these will be "attractively priced." I'm guessing $10-$15 tops.

It just...grates my nerves a little bit that the fans have been griping, complaining and demanding the Han Shot First versions on DVD for a decade now. Now Lucas is giving it to them, and everyone is still complaining.
 
 
haus of fraser
14:06 / 05.05.06
Now Lucas is giving it to them, and everyone is still complaining.

If only he were giving it to us rather than charging us for another box set with other stuff we don't want.

I pity your devoted fanboy loyalty keith...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:37 / 05.05.06
Well yes. If he'd told us in 2004 that he was gonna release the real deal on DVD, how many of us would have bought the box set?

Well, okay, I probably would. But that's because I'm sad and pathetic.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:05 / 05.05.06
I pity your devoted fanboy loyalty keith...

Thanks! I find your lack of faith disturbing.

 
 
FinderWolf
16:44 / 05.05.06
Hmmm.... "exactly as they did in their respective theatrical runs"

So I guess that means special effects imperfections and all? (slight boxes around the ships in some shots, painted crowd members at medal ceremony at the end of SW:ANH, etc.) Will they even digitally restore/clean up/brighten the old film footage, at least...? It sounds like they won't clean up anything. Still, 'as is' was pretty amazing back then and it's good enough for me now.
 
 
some guy
16:55 / 05.05.06
I would prefer them to be released with the original dodgy effects shots, but it would be nice if they restored the actual prints for the best possible source material.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:48 / 05.05.06
I've seen some conflicting reports on exactly what version these will be.

The original item said they would be the OG theatricals, even down to "Episode IV: A New Hope" not being on the title crawl.

But then there was something in USA Today about one of the Lucasfilm people saying that they were the 1993 versions (The old THX copies that wound up on laserdisc, I think...not clear about that).

Who knows.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:08 / 05.05.06
one friend of mine commented 'Lucas knows that DVDs will be obselete in a few years as everything just becomes files that you download onto your computer, so he's getting the cash from this release now while he can.' Probably pretty accurate.
 
 
matthew.
02:48 / 06.05.06
Let's cross our fingers and hope for the original, original, original Star Wars flicks. Not because I'm a purist, but because I want to see these dodgy special effects.
 
 
Spaniel
20:20 / 06.05.06
Matt, I just want to join in the Clone Wars love. Oh, and ignore Flowers' post. He's really wrong.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:12 / 06.05.06
Yeah, along with the first KOTOR game, Clone Wars is the BEST Star Wars stuff to come along since Empire.
 
 
Spaniel
07:35 / 07.05.06
Very, very true
 
 
matthew.
00:14 / 08.05.06
Well, announcement time. Gather 'round everybody and listen as I spin a yarn of credible fact and astounding normalcy.

I have not seen a Star Wars film since 1998. Yes, in 1998 I watched Empire Strikes Back and stopped watching after fifteen minutes because I had seen it too many times.

It's been 8 years since I have seen a Star Wars film. Last weekend I saw some Clone Wars, as the above post will attest, and that made me end an 8 year ban on the franchise.

Tonight, right now after this post, I plan to watch the new trilogy in one marathon, back-to-back adventure.

Frankly, I don't know what to expect. Other than awful dialogue, of course. As I understand it, the first one is awful, the second is mediocre, and the third is decent. I will return in approximately 24 hours to report (24 hours because I have to break the marathon with an episode of The Sopranos and some sleep. I know. I lied.)

Do any of you wish you could stop me? Or wish you were in my position, somebody who has not seen Jar-Jar Binks? Or do you pity me for not seeing it in the theatre?
 
 
Triplets
00:16 / 08.05.06
All you need to know is that sand is coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
 
 
matthew.
18:33 / 08.05.06
I just finished. Here's some thoughts.

All three of the films were not nearly as a horrible as I was led to believe.

a) Phantom Menace has some severe flaws that deal with pacing, character, acting, dialogue, and Jar Jar. The special effects are hit and miss, but I attribute that to 1999's standards. We have come a long way. I was especially reminded of the flaws of sfx in the stampede scene on Naboo, in which the animals are not very well integrated into the forest. I also thought Darth Maul was neither scary nor threatening. I couldn't stop staring at his little horns.

b) Attack of the Clones was fine, but once again, the clunkety speech tumbling from the actors' mouths made me ill. The best part, easily, was Christopher Lee kicking the crap out of everybody, and then lil Yoda steps in. There, the pacing is immaculate. Yoda's power is... developed through feats of strength, thus making it believable that he kicks ass. According to IMDB, this Yoda was all CGI, and it was good. The special effects were far better integrated into the real world than before.

My problems with the first two films comes from Lucas' quaint sense of humour. I'm sure I would have laughed if I had seen it as a child, but as an adult, it just didn't click with me. After something happens, somebody says something wickedly ironic. It just didn't make me laugh. That's not my kind of humour, unfortunately. My sense of humour has changed from when I found Star Wars funny. Thus, the jokes fell flat and forced me out of the moment. Luckily, there was less of that in the next film.

c) Revenge of the Sith. Well, this was good. No... it was awesome. This is the Star Wars that people wanted to see. Other than the fabulous duels between Anakin and Obi-Wan, and Yoda and Sidious, the best part was Mace Windu kicking ass. Man, I love Samuel L. Jackson. "There are clones on this motherfucking plane!"
Also, I read that many people found it to be unbelievable that Anakin could be so seduced so quickly. I, for one, found the transition to be almost non-existant, but in a good way. From the moment that Anakin leaves his mother and fears for her, to the moment he stands before the council and is accused of fear, I felt that he was already Darth Vader. I needed logical steps to get him to Vader, obviously, but they were placed there by... predestination, perhaps? His mother's death, the systematic revenge slaughter, the fear, the dreams. They were all pieces of a puzzle. It wasn't a simple transition, and I thought that right there was the new trilogy's greatest strength.

Question, however. Why didn't the Jedi Council, a very powerful collective of Jedis, sense that Palpatine had a mist of the Dark Side around him? I don't think Darth Sidious is not powerful enough to erect a smoke-screen that strong to counter the combined mind-tricks of Ben Kenobi, Yoda and Mace Windu, and that tall-headed fellow. It seems that the Jedis kinda deserved what they got. That's what you get for sitting on your tuckus, and training someone as dangerous as Anakin. They didn't want to do it in Phantom Menace, why did Liam Neeson push it?

Second question, why can R2 fly in the first three films and not the second? What's the deal?

It makes me think of predestination, really, as in the Novikov self-consistency principle. Like the viewer of the films have traveled back in time, and each little piece of the future (1977) was being made. I don't just mean my relationship to the films. In the films, things must happen and they could go no other way.

Now I must seek out the Clone Wars and fill in the gaps. Wish me luck.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:43 / 08.05.06
You don't need luck to enjoy Clone Wars. To be honest, I think even Lady is actually lying. Clone Wars is ACE!!!

I think a lot of people's dislike of Sith is that they felt let down by the first two, so weren't of a mind to forgive many flaws which the originals had themselves. Personally, I thought it was great.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:27 / 08.05.06
My problem with Revenge of the Sith is that General Grievous was not as nearly an ass-kicking jedi-killing machine as he was in Clone Wars. In fact, his first appearance in the last episode of Clone Wars 1 is the best thing in the whole trilogy...

I want to see now Episodes VII, VIII, and XIX...
 
 
Hieronymus
00:04 / 09.05.06
Agreed, DM. The animated Clone Wars saved Lucas's hackery and he STILL didn't use what they gave him on a silver platter.

The exposition of Grievous as a real threat to our heroes was barely tapped in Sith (Tartakovsky made Grevious more of a force to be reckoned with than even Darth Maul, ratching up the tension only to have him bumped off in a 5 minute sequence in Sith) and the amiable interplay between Obi Wan and Anakin as friends and more-or-less equals was utterly abandoned once Lucas got his grubby hands on the narrative. Just drove it right into a brick-wall.

I'm continually impressed by the way writers other than Lucas always seem to strengthen the Star Wars continuity (the Expanded Universe tackling WHY Mandalorians are such a threat to Jedi and saving Lucas in the whole Jango-Fett-template-for-Stormtroopers idiocy), while the man himself seems so shortsighted and helter-skelter with his own creation.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:25 / 09.05.06
i agree with your points in the second paragraph about the Obi/Anakin interplay, Clone Wars really helped to flesh that relationship out more

And while your point about the EU and other writers sort of makes sense in the grand scheme of things, I think Lucas has tried to keep the things he touches to be solely about the Skywalker family and it's father/son issues. In that regard, he's done a somewhat focused job. He couldn't really go into that Mandalore thing in any of his movies, without it deviating from the Skywalker family story too much.

i'm looking forward to seeing what happens in this regard once the live action TV series hits. hopefully, this will be the opportunity to show us some of these EU centric things. one can only hope, I guess.
 
 
some guy
01:27 / 09.05.06
I'm continually impressed by the way writers other than Lucas always seem to strengthen the Star Wars continuity (the Expanded Universe tackling WHY Mandalorians are such a threat to Jedi and saving Lucas in the whole Jango-Fett-template-for-Stormtroopers idiocy), while the man himself seems so shortsighted and helter-skelter with his own creation.

I'm not sure that Lucas is short sighted so much as simply telling a different story than the fan fiction crowd wants to tell.

There's no reason to explain away Jango Fett being the basis for the clones because it's there in the films. Of course the template is going to be an underworld type, because the clone program was secret. He doesn't need to explain the Mandalorians, because that's all fanwank stuff that's not in the films anyway.
 
  

Page: 1 ... 1516171819(20)

 
  
Add Your Reply