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DC Universe Surgery

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Mr Tricks

21:28 / 19.04.06

Good LORD! Gothom and Metropolis are in SOUTH JERSEY!?!

Aertho

22:47 / 19.04.06

Metropolis is in Maryland. Which is strange, as I believe Metropolis was intended to be DCU's answer to Chicago, as Gotham was to be its New York City.

I think it's more common to think of Metropolis and Gotham as VERY close to the DCU New York City, placing Gotham in North Jersey, and Metropolis possibly in the southern tip of Connecticut?

Mario

22:57 / 19.04.06

It's pretty vague, and I know at least one person who spends a lot of energy trying to make sense of it. He places Metropolis in RI.

diz

22:59 / 19.04.06

Metropolis is in Maryland.

That's Delaware, not Maryland. In any case, the Atlas of the DCU is not canon and has been contradicted multiple times since it's publication.

Which is strange, as I believe Metropolis was intended to be DCU's answer to Chicago, as Gotham was to be its New York City.

No, they're both DCU versions of New York, as is DCU's New York. The DCU has three New Yorks.

In any case, Metropolis is definitely not in the Midwest, as it has been mentioned as being on the East Coast many times.

Aertho

23:26 / 19.04.06

I meant the original Siegel and Schuster Superman's Metropolis. When Chicago was home to the World's Fair and Sears Tower and Jimmy Corrigan Sr.

And DE, whoops.

Mario

23:28 / 19.04.06

According to Wikipedia, Metropolis was most recently located on or near Long Island (and Gotham is indeed in New Jersey, somewhere in Ocean County)

miss wonderstarr

08:56 / 20.04.06

I have a question. When did naming superheroes "[Blank]man" go out of fashion, and "cooler" superhero names come in?

For instance, "Batman" vs "Nightwing". The former is I assume a formula based on "Superman", and the far later "Spider-Man" (and Animal Man, Robotman, Ant-Man etc) follows the same convention.

"Nightwing", like "Zenith", is a young man's kewl brandname.

So... when was the last new superhero to be called [Blank]man or [Blank]-Man, and when did one-word "brandnames" come into fashion for new heroes?

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

10:02 / 20.04.06

Good question.

I suspect the Legion of Super-Heroes pushed it into self parody in the late 60's (all their kid, lad and girl suffixes). In the 70's characters like Nova and Firestorm were maybe a backlash to that.

Mario

10:04 / 20.04.06

Probably Power Man, over in Marvel.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

13:43 / 20.04.06

I always saw Gotham/Bludhaven as a NY City/Newark relationship.

Again, this totally screws with the fact that Metropolis and NY City are the same place.

Spyder Todd 2008

14:31 / 20.04.06

Not to quibble, but technically "Nightwing" was originally Superman's alias in the Bottled City of Kandor, for when he and Jimmy Olsen went adventuring there. I want to say it was introduced in 1963, but I could be wrong...

Anyway. Moving on....

Aertho

14:44 / 20.04.06

I'd like to know abouot that story, actually. As I understand it, Superman and Batman were stranded in Kandor. Somewhy that necessitated them using the aliases of Nightwing and Flamebird. Which was which? And why did they choose those names?

Mario

17:11 / 20.04.06

Wikipedia is your friend:

In the Pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline of Superman (Vol.1) #158 (Jan. 1963), Nightwing was an alias used by Superman in adventures shared with Jimmy Olsen in the city of Kandor, a Kryptonian city that had been shrunken and preserved in a bottle. In Kandor, Superman had no powers and was branded an outlaw due to a misunderstanding. To protect themselves, Superman and Jimmy created vigilante identities inspired by Batman and Robin; however, as neither bats nor robins existed on Krypton, Superman chose the names of two native avian species: Nightwing (for himself) and Flamebird (for Jimmy).

chairmanWOW

10:57 / 25.04.06

Pre-Crisis DC was so wrong in so many ways. Now I understand why it had to be put down:

More.
superdickery.com

Erm, d'oh?

best. panels. ever.

and that's why DC will always be more joycore than anything stan the man can come up with.

gridley

18:27 / 25.04.06

So, is the Infinite Crisis over with yet?

Mario

18:39 / 25.04.06

If it had an end, it wouldn't be infinite.

(there's one more issue to go)

John Octave

19:10 / 25.04.06

The rest of them I can sort of imagine a possible context they might have sprung from. But Lois' robot-sore ass? I'll admit I can conceive of no innocent explanation for it.

miss wonderstarr

19:11 / 25.04.06

Oh my GOSH. Are those panels totally real? I honestly didn't think Bruce and Dick had ever shared a bed. I don't know whether to be SHOCKED or AROUSED by all those images.

Jack Denfeld

19:19 / 25.04.06

The rest of them I can sort of imagine a possible context they might have sprung from. But Lois' robot-sore ass? I'll admit I can conceive of no innocent explanation for it.
It must have been a spanking thing. Old DC seems to have a thing for spanking.

Spyder Todd 2008

19:47 / 25.04.06

I must admit, I think that Green Lantern one is quite possibly my favorite single panel ever.

Panic

20:52 / 25.04.06

I'd like that panel on a t-shirt.

COBRAnomicon!

20:53 / 25.04.06

Look at the clouds underneath Superman in the Gay City panel and tell me that there wasn't some snickering going on.

Benny the Ball

20:59 / 25.04.06

I'd take the Worlds Finest swimming cover - it's the fact that, even though dialogue, thought ballons and any splash exclamations were the play de jour back then, there isn't anything there, it just makes it weirder - what are they saying to each other?

miss wonderstarr

21:15 / 25.04.06

I thought that one must be about not being able to take their masks off to swim, for fear of revealing their secret IDs. It was one of the few I could see any innocent explanation for, actually.

miss wonderstarr

21:18 / 25.04.06

Oh no, hang on... is it about the boys breaking the law because there's "No Swimming"? This is like a puzzle-pic.

Benny the Ball

21:21 / 25.04.06

Yeah, Robin's trying to coax them to break the rules, to go against the law and do something that all the kids are trying... or something?

miss wonderstarr

21:44 / 25.04.06

I have liked this for ages, despite Robin's attempt at denial. Yeah, the colour of this forum is red, too [needs a "rolleyes" smiley]

It'd be great to see a modern artist draw Batman in this pink outfit, actually. There are loads of great fan-artists around; perhaps I can make a public request for it.

By the way, this superdickery is all off-topic, isn't it... fun tho it is, should it be moved onto a new thread or something?

Mr Tricks

22:20 / 25.04.06

Well, because you asked so nice. pinkman

thirty/thirty

06:12 / 26.04.06

Chronic bachelor Batman sharing his bed with a child? Superman having his butt spanked and liking it...alot? Robin with his face covered in spunk? A cross-dressing Jimmy Olsen?

I tell you the writers of these golden age comics were very dirty old men. Just look at that grin on Batman's face as he and Superman exchange glances over whether or not to go swimming in a lake filled with naked underaged boys. It troubles me.

miss wonderstarr

06:19 / 26.04.06

Thanks Mr Tricks, that's such a fine costume.

miss wonderstarr

06:24 / 26.04.06

With regard to thirty/thirty's comment, I was wondering when reading that Superdickery site if in fact there isn't a fair bit of homophobic humour in it ~ you know, like "we thought those 1950s comics were so innocent but look how perverted they are; they're full of gay overtones!" Increasingly I don't know if this should go on another thread.

doctorbeck

07:10 / 26.04.06

au cointraire, the love of discovering the gay subtexts (tho there is not much sub about these texts) in mainstream media is a longstanding pastime of homosexuals and the people who love them. in fact there is a whole publishing and academic industry devoted to just that. see mark simpsons work for a brilliant excavation of morcombe and wise, laurel and hardy and football terminology for example. personally these panels have made my day.

miss wonderstarr

09:07 / 26.04.06

Well, yes I know, but there's a difference between discovering and celebrating them as a secret, unspoken history of same-sex love within a repressive era, and discovering them, then saying "I can't believe how dirty those supposedly clean-cut comics were! the writers were devaint perves!"

I'm not suggesting anyone here was saying that, or even that Superdickery is doing so. But I think there are different ways of approaching and uncovering gay innuendos and overtones in "officially-straight" texts.

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