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DC Universe Surgery

 
  

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Aertho
06:01 / 09.04.06
Mushrooms are from the fifth planet(now asteroids). The Grey are an alien life form in the DCU, and elementals of the Green can become elementals of the Grey if they choose to be... there's a lot of corruption of the will involved and is similar to vampirism. Anyway, a neolithic elemental is in charge of the Grey now and I'm not sure it's ever been picked up since the Elemental War in Swamp Thing.

And Firestorm is simply the fire elemental. Martin Stein was intended to be the template for a fire elemental, and Ron Raymond's latent "molecule man" meta-gene crossed in the explosion, creating the "Firestorm Matrix" -something that's not quite elemental, or a straightforward superpowersource, but is both and requires human host(s). Whether Martin Stein still has independant fire elemental status remains to be seen.
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:34 / 09.04.06
Firestorm = fire
Swamp Thing = earth
Red Tornado = air

who was water?
 
 
Aertho
06:38 / 09.04.06
Naiad
 
 
Aertho
06:43 / 09.04.06
And "Earth" isn't really represented. I know that's what Swamp Thing is usually attributed, but he's pretty much ONLY plant life, ie The Green. Which opens it up to Animal or Flesh Elementals, ie The Red, with Animal Man and Tefé. And a big golem-looking guy of mud, stone, dirt, rocks and metal for "earth". That'd be the Parliament of Stones, but you'll have to wait for Mario to fill in the blanks.
 
 
Blake Head
10:16 / 09.04.06
Ok...

I have vague images within my patchy memories of a Superman comic where Supes is talking to Cat (and her son?) in a restaurant and then proceeds to have a knock down drag out battle with someone in the snow outside. All I remember is that he was big, purple, and I think he had some kind of brace round his jaw and maybe his skull as well, plus he seemed to be kicking Superman’s ass. It’s not Darkseid. Mongul? The pictures I’ve seen seem familiar but without that brace thingy. Anyway. Who was this guy? What was his deal? Is / was he one of the major villains?
 
 
Mario
13:04 / 09.04.06
OK. This is how the DC Elementals break down:

First, there was Swamp Thing, and the former Earth Elementals of the Parliament of Trees.

Then, it was decided that Red Tornado was an Air Elemental, and Firestorm was a Fire Elemental (when Firestorm became that red guy with the Wolverine-like hair). A water elemental, Naiad, was first mentioned at that time.

Eventually, elemental Firestorm (Martin Stein) split off from Ronnie and went to wander the spaceways. A new Fire Elemental, Corona, was chosen, since Stein had basically abandoned his duties.

After that, things went a little nutty, as we had Brother Power (a doll elemental), Captain Atom (a quantum elemental) and Takion (a Source elemental). But these never really "counted".

Meanwhile, various subsets of the Green were discovered: The Red (what Animal Man uses), the Clear (basically, the Red for aquatic animals), and the Gray (fungi). But none of them had mahor elemental avatars (except possibly the Gray... I don't think I've read that story).

That was the status quo for a while, until Millar & Morrison got their hands on Swampy. We then discovered that there were more Parliaments than simply those of the Trees:

Parliament of Stones: Earth, as opposed to plants.
Parliament of Waves: Water.
Parliament of Vapors: Air.
Parliament of Flames: Fire.

One by one, they were destroyed by the Spectre-wannabe, The Word, but not before passing their powers to Swamp Thing. In the end, he became the elemental for the entire planet, and took his place among the "Parliament of Worlds".

Since then, he's lost and regained that status a couple of times, and I'm not sure where he stands now.
 
 
Mario
13:26 / 09.04.06
If the purple guy had a yellow face, then yes, that's Mongul.

He was created by Jim Starlin in 1980, possibly to create a DC version of Thanos (who was dead at the time, I believe ). He was a pretty major threat, pre-Crisis, culminating in his role in the classic Alan Moore story "For the Man Who Has Everything".

But post-Crisis, he eventually turned into a bit of a punching bag, culminating in his death at the hands of Neron to make Neron look badass. He was eventually replaced by his identically-appearing son, Mongul II, and Mongal (I kid thee not), his daughter.

Mongul II apparently killed his sister at some point, which is probably a good thing

However, if he had brown skin, then it may be from this story:



That's a two-shot villain called Concussion, who never really amounted to anything.
 
 
matsya
04:19 / 10.04.06
Okay, the Secret Society of Supervillains.

Apparently the classic version of this team made a comeback in the JLA recently. My question is, did Funky Flashman show up?

Cos I've got this crap old SSoSV which is Kid Flash and Captain Comet and the Trickster versus Abra Kadabra, Star Sapphire and The Creeper. And in that very stupid comic, the guy who's running the SSoSV is Funky Flashman. You know - the Stan Lee analogue from Kirby's run on Mister Miracle?

So. Did he show at the reunion or did everyone just forget to invite him?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
14:44 / 10.04.06
Wasn't TOTEMS the one shot where some average joe was trying to get proof that all the magic vertigo people really existed, so he crashes a party (someone birthday maybe?)

On the topic, didn't Swamp Thing grow a bunch of pot for one of Constantines birthdays?

Also-

Was it Mongul who destroyed Coast City, leading to Hal Jordan's fall which was later retconned (ala Dark Phoenix) so none of it was really his fault?
 
 
The Falcon
14:47 / 10.04.06
I think it was Hank Henshaw, Cyborg, who destroyed Coast in concert with Mongul, somehow. Can't remember if he controlled his ship, or was just working with him.

Yes, Swamp Thing did produce some reef for Constantine's 40th.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
14:51 / 10.04.06
Oh right, cyborg who was pretending to be Superman...
 
 
Mario
16:00 / 10.04.06
As far as I know, the last time Funky showed up was as the (offscreen) owner of a superhero pawnshop in Son Of Vulcan.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:30 / 10.04.06
The Swampy grows pot was an episode of Garth Ennis' run on Hellblazer, celebrating John's 40th birthday and entitled '40' if memory serves. Back in the days when they had John growing old in real time. Anyway, one of his mates has a pretty weedy pot plant, another uses magic to summon Swampy who grows the plant as his present, Zatanna ends up sitting on John's washing machine moaning "decaf-tihs ylrettu m'I" or something similar and John inadvertantly throws-up on the Phantom Strangers shoes.
 
 
This Sunday
18:06 / 10.04.06
Constantine pisses on the Stranger's shoes- this is a surgery thread and we must be specific. Note everyone thinking it pretty funny, except Z who's got some sympathy for the poor, eternal outsider in his fancy hat, pompous and possible-prick (and child o' Superman and Wonder Woman) may he be.
 
 
Mario
18:41 / 10.04.06
The child o' Supes & Wondy bit is a misreading of a scene in the Kingdom miniseries. He's _mistaken_ for the Stranger, but it says, on panel that once they get a closer look at him, they realize he's not.

See the relevant page here
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:37 / 10.04.06
Plus Phantom Stranger already has an origin, which is as a fallen angel. It's in that recently released collection Alan Moore's DC stories.
 
 
Aertho
19:44 / 10.04.06
I like the SuperWonderBatbaby retcon better.
 
 
Mario
20:07 / 10.04.06
Given that he has power over Hypertime, and DC no longer seems all that fond of the concept... I wouldn't expect it to come up again.
 
 
Blake Head
23:24 / 10.04.06
Cheers Mario - it was Concussion. Strange, I seem to remember him giving the Big S an improbably hard time. Evidently the writers did their job and my younger self was convinced of the inflated magnitude of his threat!
 
 
Mario
23:43 / 10.04.06
New villains often seem to be bigger threats. Both because they are written so they can seem more badass, and because we haven't seen them get their tail kicked umpteen times.
 
 
The Falcon
23:44 / 10.04.06
Phantom Stranger already has an origin, which is as a fallen angel. It's in that recently released collection Alan Moore's DC stories.

I believe there are fully four origins in that annual, but given I'm only likely to ever read the aforementioned one, I'll have it.
 
 
Mario
23:45 / 10.04.06
There are four origins, and no clue which one is valid. However, Alan's is probably the best written (despite a minor continuity error )
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:53 / 11.04.06
wow the art in those scans was a bit hurty.
 
 
The Falcon
14:12 / 11.04.06
I'm trying to work out who it is, thought it looked a bit Yeowell/Sprouse on a bad day. Think it's either Kitson or Ordway?
 
 
Mario
14:19 / 11.04.06
In the Kingdom scans? Mike Zeck, inked by John Beatty.
 
 
chairmanWOW
13:38 / 18.04.06
I found these pages from the Authority. I didn't know where else to post them. It's the censored and uncensored (this is how Frank Quitely had intended it to be published, I assuming) versions of pages 7 and 8 from issue 14. I was just wondering if anyone can explain why the need was felt to censor this in the first place?



 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:01 / 18.04.06
That's one of the toughest Spot the Difference puzzles I've ever seen. Or is it just me who's peering at stamp-sized pics?

A girl and guy seem to be wearing towels on the left, and nowt on the right. Do I win a prize.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:19 / 18.04.06
There were a lot more differences as that series progressed... Art Adama had to redraw many panels as I recall. Anyway wasn't there a WIldstorm surgery thread round here?

On DC elementals...

There was a period were Aquaman was flirting with water elemenal status getting counceling from Swamp Thing and being taught how to use "the Clear" by Animal man.

The Phantom Stranger's origin was also touched upon in the Trenchcoat Brigade mini-series years back. It featured Dr. Occult (who seems to have had as much DCU/Vertigo crossingover as Zatanna) Mr. E and Contantine.

It sort of spun out of the original BOOKS of MAGIC series which took place before the DC/Vertigo split. Also of note was Dr. 13 who died in the 7S Zatanna mini but had a Vertigo title as well as having given Tim Hunter and John Constantine as ride.

Durring Contantine's 40th not only did Zatanna have short hair but she has a personal joint which floats around her face.

Couldn't bare that KINGDOM series... hated that art.
 
 
chairmanWOW
05:59 / 19.04.06
That's one of the toughest Spot the Difference puzzles I've ever seen. Or is it just me who's peering at stamp-sized pics?

I wanted to make them bigger but I was afraid about them being to big.

Anyway wasn't there a Wildstorm surgery thread round here?

I thought the Wildstorm universe got gobbled up by the DC one thus making it DC’s metaphorical cabana boy just like Charlton Comics before it?
 
 
tituba
06:18 / 19.04.06
I wanted to make them bigger but I was afraid about them being to big.

Thanks alot for those pages. I frequently worship at the shrine of Frank Quietly (real name Vincent Deighan) and seeing these pages restored...well, it means the world.

I thought the Wildstorm universe got gobbled up by the DC one thus making it DC’s metaphorical cabana boy just like Charlton Comics before it?

The Time/Warner beast of Babylon moved across the land and devoured every struggling comic company that could fit in it's mouth.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:03 / 19.04.06
>> "the Clear" [instead of the "Green"]

wow, what a silly name for the essence of Water. I mean, I know water is clear-ish, but still...
 
 
Mario
14:35 / 19.04.06
That was one of PAD's ideas. Perhaps editorial wanted to save The Blue for air creatures?
 
 
Simplist
14:35 / 19.04.06
The Time/Warner beast of Babylon moved across the land and devoured every struggling comic company that could fit in it's mouth.

To be fair, DC has maintained the WSU relatively intact so far, though DCU/WSU crossovers have been increasing as of late. Amusingly, this would seem to contradict the main thrust of Infinite Crisis, namely that the multiverse doesn't exist except when simulated by supervillian tech, etc. On the contrary, the WSU, recently visited in continuity by both Superman and Captain Atom, would seem to be a classic example of a PreCrisis-style alternate Earth -- it has Superman and Batman analogues, a JLA-type team, etc. Even worse, in the current Captain Atom series numerous other alternate Earths are referenced, and The Authority even take Cap on a tour of a bunch of them while attempting to return him to the DCU. Not that I'm complaining, mind you, I like there being a multiverse -- I just find it kind of hilarious that DC has chosen to run these two mutually contradictory and both very much in-continuity series simultaneously.
 
 
Aertho
16:17 / 19.04.06
You all may find this interesting:

The DCU Atlas

I grew up in Midway City! Home to the Silver Age Doom Patrol!
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
17:23 / 19.04.06
Cool. Wally West and Ralph Dibny both lived in pretty crap parts of Nebraska.
 
  

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