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DC Universe Surgery

 
  

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Evil Scientist
09:39 / 06.02.07
That stuff about the Bleed is interesting though, isn't that a Wildstorm concept?

Yes it is. Captain Atom spent some time in the Wildstorm-verse just prior to the IC. He'd ended up there after blowing up a kryptonite asteroid in the pages of Superman/Batman.

Actually I believe he was responsible for Wildstorm's own "mini-crisis", the "Worldstorm" event which re-wrote continuity over there.

It's not the first cross-over. Mr Majestic filled in for Superman in Metropolis a while back. Plus there was a possible cross-over in Planetary (multiple versions of Batman encountering Elijah Snow and co).

It's an odd little thing that there are at least a few other universes in the DC canon (the antimatter universe of the Crime Syndicate/Quaard, and the universes in the Planetary "snowflake" connected via the bleed). Which suggests the original Crisis on Infinite Earths didn't destroy the entire multiverse, rather it got the ones closest to the DC mainline.
 
 
Spaniel
10:04 / 06.02.07
I'd like to see the Crime Syndicate beat down the Quaardians, if only for a couple of pages. I'd never put the two together before.

Someone make it happen.
 
 
Spaniel
10:12 / 06.02.07
Monitors then, folks?
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:25 / 06.02.07
I'd like to see the Crime Syndicate beat down the Qwardians, if only for a couple of pages. I'd never put the two together before.

Then you might enjoy the Kurt Busiek JLA trade featuring all-out war between the CSA and the Qwardians. It's called Syndicate Rules I believe and is fairly entertaining.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
10:58 / 06.02.07
There was a DCU one shot about a year ago "Brave New World" - I think it was a 99c thing - that showed multiple Monitors on the last pages:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=75844


As far as I know, it hasn't been mentioned since.
 
 
Spaniel
11:06 / 06.02.07
Thanks Scientist and Dan. I'll be checking out that trade.
 
 
Mario
14:05 / 06.02.07
The Monitors have turned up in a few comics, since. Nightwing, Ion, Supergirl, and an issue of #52. They seem to have an interest in those three characters and Donna Troy.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:13 / 06.02.07
Basically re-imagined as Watchers then?
 
 
Spaniel
14:20 / 06.02.07
Anyone else think this is the year that Nightwing become Red Robin?

My little fantasy
 
 
Hieronymus
14:33 / 06.02.07
Red Robin?
 
 
Spaniel
14:36 / 06.02.07
From Kingdom Come and visible on that mysterious image that DC are teasing all over the Internet.

Red Robin is who Dick Grayson ultimately becomes when he's ready to stand on the same footing as Batman.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:53 / 06.02.07
When they eventually do a Marvel/DC crossover again, we should get a Watchers vs. Monitors crossover!!! Yeah! [actually not a serious suggestion]
 
 
Mario
15:33 / 06.02.07
I heard an interesting theory that Red Robin is/will be the Earth-2 Robin.
 
 
Sniv
16:09 / 06.02.07
I think that I'd really like it if Nightwing became Red Robin as well, it'd be a great ending to his current 5-year arc of being a total loser. Given that Marv Wolfman's remit on the Nightwing book was to 'fix' the character, it would be an excellent time to evolve Dick Grayson's career as well, bringing him back to his roots but as a grown-up on par with Batman. DiDio was also making noises about killing him off in IC, but was convinced otherwise from fan-reaction. It would make sense to take this failing character and have him be a focal point of the Next Big Event, shedding the tarnished mantle of Nightwing once and for all.

Is anyone else reading Wolfman's Nightwing? The title has suffered from some awful artwork, but the final issue of the last arc was great, with Nightwing (the character) firing on all cylinders, although the plot for the 4-parter was frankly pretty week and stuffed full of cliches and the feel of what is obviously a much older man trying to write something that is relevant on a 'street-level', but failing pretty badly. Oh, look! The baddie wears an iPod! That's new, right? And the 'romance' part of the book was a total dud, worsened by Jurgens' really 80's-style artwork and unattractive characters. The clothes the ladies wore were especially awful and really broke my suspension of disbelief, adding to clunky dialogue and a story that not even the writer seemed to care about, predictable as it was (still better than Grotesk though, by a fucking mile).

That said, I'm sticking with the book, at least until the Monitors show up and make their plans known.
 
 
Triplets
16:47 / 06.02.07
Boboss, Tangent Superman was, basically, a black super-buddha. Back in the 70s some Evil Science Project had dosed an entire town with Tangent Miraclo. Fast-fwd to today and Harvey Dent (TSupes), a cop, is all grown up and finds himself jumping a few millions years up the evolutionary ladder, developing super-telepathy and telekinesis. The whole thing was a bit Kafka, with Harv - and his girlfriend - trying to figure out how he relates to humanity (and to their relationship).

Highlight: Harv turning his own head into an e-mail inbox so he can get direct mail from those in need.

I remember Teen Triplets being pretty impressed. It was written by Millar, shockingly.
 
 
Spaniel
17:28 / 06.02.07
Hey, it's not like Millar has never written a good comic.

Mario, Earth 2 is the antimatter Earth, right? Um....
 
 
Mario
18:05 / 06.02.07
Yes and no. I was referring to the pre-Crisis Earth-2, where the JSA and all originally came from. Unfortunately, that name collides with Earth 2, the post-Morrison version of the old Earth-3.
 
 
Spaniel
18:12 / 06.02.07
AG!
 
 
The Falcon
18:16 / 06.02.07
False! Antimatter Luthor comes from what is to him Earth-1 and he calls 'our' Earth "Earth-2". Ergo title.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:21 / 06.02.07
>> Red Robin could be the Earth-2 Robin.

The old-school pre-Crisis Earth-2 Robin did 'grow up' and have a modified weird green face mask and different leggings on his costume, as I recall. Could be seen as pre-Red Robin-ish in style evolution...? (although I know that's certainly stretching it quite a bit)
 
 
FinderWolf
18:24 / 06.02.07
>> Is anyone else reading Wolfman's Nightwing?

I've skimmed it in the store and it seems pretty lackluster (Jurgen's poor art making it look even worse, as you stated).
 
 
matthew.
17:39 / 07.02.07
So at the end of The Rann-Thanagar War special (Hands of Fate), where does this issue lead to? Does it lead to the new series Ion? Or somewhere else, or to Infinite Crisis? I'm having trouble keeping everything straight in my head here. And who's hands are those on the special? Is it Alex Luthor's?

When did Bones become a King for Checkmate? Was this after War Games?

When did the real Luthor go from crazed battle-suit wearing dude to Mockingbird?

Gah!
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:41 / 07.02.07
1) Yep, those are Alex Luthor's hands as he performs a cavity search on reality itself.
2) War Games makes no mention of it. I think that, being as Checkmate is secretive even to the caped community (nobody knew it existed up until Countdown right?) nobody found out about Bones' Kingship (was he black or white? I can't remember) until it was revealed after Max Lord's death.
3) He didn't. In the final issue of Villains United Luthor is seen addressing the Secret Six* from within his battlesuit.

*The fact that this team doesn't have a regular Simone scripted series is the greatest crime in all of human history.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:54 / 07.02.07
Ooh, forgot to ask my question: Is Morrison's Doom Patrol run the first time we found out that Monsieur Mallah and The Brain were- how should I put this?- totally gay for each other?

(I'm also reading the current Nightwing run- in fact I have the dubious honor of owning all Nightwing books- and, jeez, when Chuck Dixon is the best person to have ever written the character you know something's up. They need a shake-up and need it soon, but I don't know if 'Red Robin' is the right way to go- there's nothing stopping him from being his own Batman while in the Nightwing identity, and wasn't that the whole point anyway- going to Bludhaven and New York to get out of Daddy's shadow, started and ran his own superteams, took the Crisis head-on and went straight for the source while Bats was up in space and got his chest vaporised for his trouble. Shit, if the guy's not on an equal footing to Batman yet then a change of costume and an even lamer name's not going to do it. Also- what happens to the regular Robin if he becomes Red Robin? And aren't we forgetting a certain somebody? Jason Todd- the Red Hood and former Robin? Maybe Red Robin turns up, does some high-profile heroing, then the big Thunderbolts #1 reveal- it's Jason looking to redeem himself!)
 
 
Spaniel
19:00 / 07.02.07
Red Robin is a much better name than Nightwing. This is truth.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
19:17 / 07.02.07
If I'm not mistaken, Bones has never been one of Checkmate's kings. He's been the director of the DEO (Department of Extranormal Operations) for a while now, and while I'm not quite clear on the hierarchy of DEO, DMA, Checkmate, Task Force X, and SHADE, I'm fairly certain Bones hasn't actually been working for Checkmate.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:48 / 07.02.07
>> *The fact that this team doesn't have a regular Simone scripted series is the greatest crime in all of human history.

Gail is having the Secret Six guest-star in a few upcoming issues of Birds of Prey, by the way.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
20:46 / 07.02.07
I know, I know, and that's going to be awesomeness redefined, but it's not enough... I'm jonesin' for my fix of the Secret Six mix.

/me cries, stares into the cold, unblinking stars...

Oh and Uatu (I haven't seen you hereabouts before, so if you're new then welcome to the board)- fatbeard mode engaged here: in The OMAC Project #6 Bones calls Sasha with a theory on how to take down the OMACs (the EMP bomb) and she refers to him as 'Black King's Rook', meaning he was an adviser to Max Lord , but seeing as Bones is one of the good guys probably wasn't in on the whole kill-all-the-superheroes bit.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
16:34 / 08.02.07
Hey/ I've been around a while, but I'm usually in lurker mode. Thanks, though.

To be honest, thae bit about Bones being Lord's rook bothers my inner fatbeard a bit. I figured I may have missed something in the OYL gap, but he was certainly appearing in the capacity of Cameron Chase's DEO boss in Manhunter pre-8c. Maybe he's been double dipping. Or maybe he can't figure out the hierarchy of the government's superspy clubs either.
 
 
John Octave
17:39 / 08.02.07
Nightwing has the misfortune of having a name that dates back to that most sacred of texts, the Silver Age Superman, but sounds like a hundred other lame '90s superhero names (Nightmaster Nightforce Nightthrasher Nightranger). The Red Robin name is strong and iconic, but I liked how "Nightwing" (as the "Dark Knight of the Bottle City of Kandor") is thematically a synthesis of his two daddies, Batman and Superman. Or ought to be, anyway.

The costume, too, is one of the few 90s redesigns that holds up and still looks good, although I think swapping the moody blue with a bright vibrant red would be useful in establishing a change from the gloomyboy persona he's taken on back to the smiling daredevil acrobat that was the Robin of old.
 
 
Spaniel
18:20 / 08.02.07
Does Nightwing still have a mullet?

True heroes must always sport a mullet. Comics taught me that.
 
 
This Sunday
22:30 / 08.02.07
To quote 'Megatokyo' on the subject: There are no heroes.

Of course, in six years I'll look even more the fool when all the major comics universes (and some minor ones owned by artists or previously sold be a major comics publisher) will unite to form the greatest summer crossover event of all hyperactivecrosstime: 'Mullet'. Which, will be a single splashpage of every hero ever in history and future, with a mullet proudly displayed.

On a more connected, semi-serious note, who in the DCU's got pets? Krypto, Comet, that starfish (Prot?) of Hal Jordan's... where, everybody sing, where have all the heroes (pets) gone? Except Comet's a tranny alien now, right? And Krypto got punched in the brains by Superboy.

Does anybody have just a nice, normal, non-super animal, like Animal Man's family used to have a kitten? Aside from Catwoman, who probably still - and damned well should - have a ton of cats hanging around.

I know families and lovers are hard to manage when you have to have the dangerthrills every six pages, but pets might be less rape-able, maybe. Imagine the gut-wrenching annoyance when Kyle Rayner, for example, is out in the deep cosmos kicking alien ass for the good of Earthlings everywhere (in the States) and he suddenly realizes he left Breetai, his cute little Schipperke puppy, with only enough food and water for three days... and it's already been... nine or ten!

He can't just leave his girlfriend without food for days, giving us a thrilling threat, but a pet? Wait. Someone else make the joke where that's why she was in the fridge. Then we can come back to the pets.
 
 
Mario
12:10 / 09.02.07
There are several mystical superheroes with cats. Including Power Girl (at the time, she was mystical). Also, Speedball had a cat with the same powers as he. Given recent events, it'll probably end up being the new Hate-Monger.
 
 
doctorbeck
13:26 / 09.02.07
Nightwing really has to got lose the mask that makes him look like a member of Kiss, or dazzlers brother. it will i suspect strike only mirth in the hearts of evildoers in bludhaven.
 
 
X-Himy
15:16 / 09.02.07
Ace the Bat-Hound!

I know it's not continuity, and honestly I've never been a fan, but he's great in that meh Krypto cartoon.
 
  

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