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DC Universe Surgery

 
  

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A
12:35 / 09.02.06
Okay, a few moments of googling brought up this, which is apparently according to GM from Wizard #79:

SUPERMAN--- ZEUS --- King of the Gods
"Obviously, [Superman's] Zeus in the sense that he’s the leader, and the father figure of the gods."

BATMAN--- HADES--- God of the Underworld
"[Batman] fills the role of the lord of the underworld. It allows us to keep him on the Earth more, rather than on the Watchtower, which is in the ‘heavens.’ He’s the dark god connected to the underworld."

WONDER WOMAN--- HERA--- Queen of the Gods
"While [Wonder Woman] isn’t Superman’s [Zeus’] wife as she was in Greek myth, she is nearly his equal in terms of strength and respect."

AQUAMAN--- POSEIDON--- God of the Seas
"He’s a basic one. Aquaman is king of the seas and lord of all the oceans in a figurative and literal sense. I want to use him a lot more, so we’ll see him in the Watchtower a lot more often as he becomes a major player in the League."

THE FLASH--- HERMES--- Messenger of the Gods
"The speedster and messenger of the gods. [Flash] was a pretty easy fit with the Greek pantheon."

GREEN LANTERN--- APOLLO---God of Light, Youth and Art
"The young god of light. Again, like the Flash, this was an easy one to fit in, and it ties in pretty well with Kyle’s powers and place him on the team."

ORACLE--- ATHENA--- Goddess of Wisdom
"Oracle will be the League’s non-active, Earthbound computer link and telepathic backup, filling the role of the goddess of wisdom. I liked the idea of Oracle getting her hands on New Gods technology and seeing what she can do with that."

HUNTRESS--- ARTEMIS--- Goddess of the Hunt
"She replaces Green Arrow, who left because he just wasn’t ready for the challenges of the League. Artemis was the hunter of the Greek gods, so Huntress fits the bill."

BIG BARDA--- HESTIA--- Goddess of Hearth and Home
"The mother figure of the gods. Physically, and by acting as Orion’s "keeper," she plays a great mother figure."
(erroneously labelled "DEMETER" in Wizard.)

ZAURIEL--- EROS--- God of Love
"The beautiful, winged angel [Zauriel]. Who better to fit the role of the god of love?"

STEEL--- HEPHAESTUS--- Forge of the Gods
"The technician and forge of the gods. Steel fits that role really well. He’s one of the most innovative inventors on Earth, so he fit that role perfectly."

ORION--- ARES--- God of War
"The right fit for the god of war. The son of Darkseid [Orion] is the ultimate warrior. He was told to join the JLA by Highfather, but he doesn’t want the job. He hates the Earth, so they’ve sent Barda along to keep him in line."

PLASTIC MAN--- DIONYSUS--- God of Merriment
"[Dionysus] was the shapeshifting god who was always chasing women and out for having a good time: a role perfect for Plastic Man."

MARTIAN MANHUNTER--- ADVISOR
"He’s not strictly on the team anymore. He’ll be taking an advisory capacity. He wants to put more effort into becoming the superhero for the Southern Hemisphere, which is what he’s been becoming."

HOURMAN--- CRONUS--- God of Time

TOMORROW WOMAN--- ERIS--- Goddess of Falsehoods

CAPTAIN MARVEL--- HERACLES--- Son of the Gods
 
 
FinderWolf
14:06 / 09.02.06
Verry interesting...thanks for that.

I did get a kick out of when Circe 'recognized' the Dionysus element in Plastic Man during Morrison's JLA run (Rock of Ages), I think...she looks at him and says incredulously, "...Dionysus?"
 
 
Aertho
15:03 / 09.02.06
And here I'd thought the JLA was a straight rundown of the Olympus 12.

Thanks to whosoever directed us to Durga for a better understanding of Big Barda. I knew I should've gone further east when looking for analogs. Instead, I just went older and stopped at Willendorf. Durga is a goodie protectress though, and I'm still wondering about the origins of the badgirl-becomes-heroine myth.
 
 
Triplets
15:32 / 09.02.06
Isn't that just a gender-twisting of the Saul-to-Paul story?
 
 
Aertho
15:41 / 09.02.06
hahaha! Yes, I suppose you're right. But New Testament stuff always seems remixed to moi. I'll accept that, but I wonder if it has even older, more proliferated origins. A woman willfully crossing the Manichaean divide, as it were.
 
 
hachiman
18:17 / 09.02.06
Thanks Adam for digging that up, much appreciated.
I still yearn for more of those stories told by Morrison, and in my fantasy world, drawn either by Perez or Jimenez(who really sold me on "Bloody Hell in America", my first intro to Morrisons work).
I loved how it set of that short lived late-90's Heroic Renaissance in Super-Hero comics, before Warren Ellis ruined it with The Authority.
Not saying Authority was a bad thing(quite enjoyed it now that i recently read the 1st 4 books), just it really jarred the whole comics scene in a major way and led to the abomination that was Identity Crisis. Hopefully post-One Year Later DC will have exorcised this whole "Dark-Heroes-with-their-undies-on-the-outside" bit.
On a completely different note, now that theres a "real" Supergirl, what happened to that supergirl who was Kal-El's daughter/clone/whatever?? Any Ideas?
 
 
Triplets
18:30 / 09.02.06
before Warren Ellis ruined it with The Authority.

Until you note Baldy Scottish planted some of the seeds for it in the last couple of scenes starring the Ultramarines way back in JLA before The Authority even came out.

Also, The Authority was riffing on Moore's Miracleman as much as it was an extension of what Ellis was doing with the Revolutionaries in Stormwatch. Which is to say that what Ellis did could be seen as a natural progression. He hardly ruined comics with The Au. Infact, if memory serves, The Authority first trade was the first trade I ever picked up at the tender age of 15. Swot got me back into comics after leaving during 90sxmen.

Without Authority we might not have The Ultimates and, from there, the Ultimate Universe, one of Marvel's most successful ventures.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:05 / 09.02.06
>> On a completely different note, now that theres a "real" Supergirl, what happened to that supergirl who was Kal-El's daughter/clone/whatever?? Any Ideas?

She went away, fast. Some poorly-written Steven T. Seagle story. Maybe she got erased by some time traveling characters that had 'created' her in the Seagle run, I think...it doesn't even matter cause she was lame. She was gone within about 9 months of her introduction.
 
 
LDones
20:15 / 09.02.06
That was covered earlier in the thread - she was a clone made by Brainiac to hide his presence, and was eventually 'reclaimed'.

From a really awful year of Superman stories by Steve Seagle and Scott McDaniel. Just bad.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
15:06 / 10.02.06
This also might have been mentioned earlier in the thread, but is the Peter David Supergirl in limbo, or was there an in-continuity story for what happened to her? I know the whole FALEN ANGEL thing is "supposed" to be her, yadda yadda, but where did the end of the actual SUPERGIRL book leave her? She did remain a distinct character from this Brainiac Supergirl, right? Or did they retcon her that savagely?
 
 
Mario
15:29 / 10.02.06
Still in Limbo, as far as I know.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:08 / 10.02.06
Here's an overview that sums up the POST-Crisis Supergirl.
 
 
hachiman
16:45 / 10.02.06
>>Also, The Authority was riffing on Moore's Miracleman as much as it was an extension of what Ellis was doing with the Revolutionaries in Stormwatch. Which is to say that what Ellis did could be seen as a natural progression. He hardly ruined comics with The Au. Infact, if memory serves, The Authority first trade was the first trade I ever picked up at the tender age of 15. Swot got me back into comics after leaving during 90sxmen.<<

Point taken Triplets. My original post is unduly critical of something i also have enjoyed immensely. In retrospect the bulk of my crit should be aimed at those at DC, who seeing the success of the Authority, and its inspiration of Marvels Ultimate stuff and that line's critical and financial success, have tried to retro-graft that type of sophisticated posthuman storytelling on the modern DCU, with IMO, dire results. While i have enjoyed alot of the recent DC stuff, the Fatbeard in me still cringes at the thought of "Teh Identity Crisis!"
Sigh, the fanboy equivalent of crying into my Yoo-Hoo."... Comics? ...Comics were better then..."
P.S. thanks Finder for the Supergirl info, again. You da Man.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:30 / 10.02.06
Didn't know exactly where to put this, but I really liked this article about former Justice Society/Batman Adventures artist Mike Parobeck, whose stuff I always enjoyed...I think the points the article makes about Parobeck making it ok to do more 'cartoony' art again are extremely valid.

Mike Parobeck retrospective
 
 
This Sunday
17:30 / 13.02.06
On the Morrison/OMAC front:
Manufactured people with manufactured emotions, government-selected parents, runners for The Evil are drugged into being monsters, faceless, orange-skinned agents of Peace, Brother Eye and OMAC as absolutely Marvel Boy and his Plex. The first issue is so entirely 'The Invisibles' it hit me harder than anything in the actual 'Invisibles' might've. Oh, and it ends way before it was meant to, with an ambiguous dinky little panel of explosion.
And, to fit in with so many folks' favorite complaint about a Morrison comic, every issue of OMAC feels vaguely like you've missed large chunks of it somewhere between the panels. I prefer that editing to get to the good bits, style, myself, but it's not a trick for everyone.
Whenever someone says Morrison is trying to comics - not the way they were, but - the way he remembers them... OMAC flashes to the front of my brain. UFO-brother electro-beaming health, vitality, and knowledge into your chest-eyed body and then talking to you. A boy and his VALISystem.
 
 
This Sunday
17:41 / 13.02.06
Plus, the threats of 'The Super Rich' who can buy whole cities and use them for parties and murder and murder parties! Kidnapping the young and transplanting old wealthy types into their fresh bodies. The fact Buddy Blank is forced by a bunch of faceless good guys into becoming OMAC and further, neither OMAC nor Buddy seem to remember the other.
Virtual reality, assault-your-boss and crying rooms at the office, and the shame and terror of shame and terror. Betrayal as far more horrible than cosmic assault beams from somebody's deathcannon.
And, Kirby may've made a moon out of Brother Eye.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:17 / 13.02.06
I appreciate that this has probably already been discussed elsewhere, but life seems short these days - I'm trying to concentrate on being like Batman, rather than just following his adventures, so, could someone, kindly, explain what the deal is with Jason Todd? What is he still doing alive?
 
 
Mario
18:24 / 13.02.06
Reply hazy, ask again later (there's an annual coming out that's supposed to explain it)
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
19:00 / 13.02.06
It will be covered in the Batman annual, which is out soon.
 
 
Aertho
13:10 / 20.02.06
Tell me about Takion, please.



Mid-Nineties Mary Sue or what?
 
 
Spaniel
13:38 / 20.02.06
Image no work, big guy.
 
 
This Sunday
13:46 / 20.02.06
Newer New God, wasn't he? Goldy yellow with fire-hair and no clothes? Like Orion's pal, Lightbulb Jesus, without the smiles? I think he was something of Byrne's.
 
 
Aertho
14:20 / 20.02.06
Orion + Lightray = Midnighter + Apollo

Was there ever subtext?
 
 
Billuccho!
14:26 / 20.02.06
Takion was a human, I believe, who got turned into a New God and took over for Highfather after the guy croaked (Scott Free didn't want the job).
 
 
This Sunday
16:54 / 20.02.06
Between Orion and Lightray? Oh yes.
Was it intentional? I dunno.
 
 
scipio africanus
17:24 / 20.02.06
Where in the text do you draw this subtext from? It is an interesting idea, but I have read the New Gods, etc. very closely many times and never taken note of this. Can you elaborate? I am always finding new stuff in this extremely dense work and would not be suprised if you were on to something.
 
 
Aertho
17:28 / 20.02.06
Re: Orion and Lightray

So I'm buzzing through New God shit tyring to get more out of Mr. Miracle, and I come across these two guys, who happen to be better analogs for The Wildstorm Gays than Supes and Bats. So that's a yes that they have teh gay luv? Cause if so, New Genesis just got a hell of a lot more interesting.
 
 
The Falcon
17:34 / 20.02.06
Reading the above I ain't seeing a 'yes' to you there, Chad. I'd wait up for Mario to give you the gen.
 
 
Mario
17:36 / 20.02.06
Takion was a Paul Kupperberg creation. A fairly average attempt to make a Silver Surferish character for the Fourth World. Given that Highfather has slowly been snuck back among the living (in Seven Soldiers) I doubt he'll turn up again.

As for Orion/Lightray... I'm pretty sure Kirby only meant their relationship to be the cameraderie of warriors. However, there is that whole Spartan ethos thing going on...
 
 
Aertho
17:47 / 20.02.06
O + L ... ah well. They never took on Beautiful Dreamer, so I figured.

So, Mario. Can you examine the possibility that perhaps (Takion < Highfather/Izaya) = (Shiloh < Scott)? What was the Takion series all about? Normal dude gets uber-powerful and does wacky stuff, and ends up finding out he's a god? Only the BIGGEST God there is? Hence the Mary Sue bullshit. What else has this Paul Kupperberg character done?
 
 
This Sunday
17:51 / 20.02.06
In the Kirby 'New Gods', there's such an affable, easy tension to their interactions - being, as they are, the grim and sturdy God of confrontation and the chipper, ethereal God of can't-we-all-just-get-along - that it becomes what one might term 'slash friendly', were one so inclined. And I am. Like George and his pal in 'Of Mice and Men' or that weird tantric love in at the end of 'Speed' or Catwoman's maid in that Elsworld's who keeps flashing her panties at Selina and asking why she even needs a man when she's got her around, et cetera, et cetera. Both Orion and Lightray are significantly sensualists, as are most of the New Gods and indeed, most Kirby-writ characters, and so the element of tactility comes right into play. Am I saying all man-on-man physical contact - that isn't beating the shit out of each other - is sexual? That two guys can't just be close friends and share a joke and a brotherly love of the upcoming triumphs of their Godly existence(s)?
All I mean is that there is a subtext, in the sense that there are elements within the text, itself, which can be drawn together, emphasized/specified and thereby at least seem to make sense in a connect-the-dots fashion. And, yeah, actually, the first time Apollo and Midnighter show up in 'The Authority' my read of Supes/Bats from 'Stormwatch' zipped away and became replaced by the smiling shine of Lightbulb Jesus, the boy to the dog of Apokalipsian war and eternally struggling titanic soldier-deity, Orion.
Now... How much of the O'Ryan Mob, as it were, have shown up post-Crisis? (The eighties one, not this thing we're in the middle of, of course.)
 
 
Aertho
18:08 / 20.02.06
A woman willfully crossing the Manichaean divide, as it were.



Ha! Tween My Blue Heaven of Chesed/New Genesis and The Red Hell of Geburah/Apokolips. Makes poifect sense. It was actually an introduction to Miss Durga of the Hindus that led me to Path 19.
 
 
Mario
18:38 / 20.02.06
"What was the Takion series all about? Normal dude gets uber-powerful and does wacky stuff, and ends up finding out he's a god?"

Not quite. It was more like: "Ordinary guy gets turned into a Source Elemental by Highfather, has adventures for a while, and ends up replacing Highfather when Byrne kills him off."

"What else has this Paul Kupperberg character done?"

He editied a bunch of books (he may still, I'm not sure) and wrote a bunch of stuff in the early/mid 80's, like Arion, Checkmate, and Vigilante. I think he does young adult books now.

As for O'Ryan's Mob... they were supporting cast members in various New Gods books (including Byrne's). I guess they are back in Limbo.
 
 
The Falcon
18:55 / 20.02.06
Kupperberg wrote the first 18 issues of what would become Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol, and later edited it when it was Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol.
 
 
This Sunday
18:58 / 20.02.06
Kupperberg was also writer of 'Doom Patrol' right before Morrison, right?

And, does anyone else have a problem bothering to remember anything that happened in any New Gods story other than the initial Kirby stuff? It's like my internal continuity monitor resets after every series ends, and goes back just pre-Hunger Dogs.
 
  

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