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DC Universe Surgery

 
  

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Spyder Todd 2008
21:59 / 07.06.06
I always like the silver clasp parts of that costume though. I guess they're holding his gloves in place. Or something.
 
 
Mario
22:01 / 07.06.06
Or auditioning for a Rocky Horror floor show....
 
 
Jack Fear
22:02 / 07.06.06
To answer the "what does he do" part: He has magnetic powers I'm pretty sure that "corset" isn't meant to be rigid—IIRC, it manages to stay on because it's laced with metallic fibers.

His arm candy in the microkini, BTW, is Night Girl, who had superhuman strength and endurance—but only in total darkness (she came from a planet that had no sun, y'see. Yeah, it's pretty retarded.)

I dunno—on the one hand, it kinda makes sense. The Legion is set in the 30th Century, people have presumably gotten over their body hangups, and the members are all young and toned and incredibly beautiful: Why shouldn't they fight crime half-naked, if they feel like it?
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
22:44 / 07.06.06
One one hand, Jack Fear, I really like your explanation of why the costumes look like that. However. Er, about this thread...

"Looks like a tranny hooker"

"pretty retarded"

erm...ick?
 
 
Jack Fear
23:12 / 07.06.06
I think it says a lot about you and your ingrained prejudices that you immediately assumed that "looking like a tranny hooker" was intended as an insult, rather than a simple statement of fact.

I'm half-joking.

Which means I'm half-serious.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:21 / 07.06.06
Ladies and gentleman, that was the sound of self-parody collapsing under its own weight. Please do not adjust your watches.
 
 
This Sunday
23:23 / 07.06.06
I think I'm more interested in seeing that metalocorset return than Batwoman. And I'm definitely missing the transvestite angle, as that's clearly not any gender's standard dayclothes on planet This One, but y'know? I'm still holding out for tranny Batwoman. Preferably in the Grell costume with the red and black Bat-scheme.

Or is that something that can't happen unless there's teats, in a non-Vertigo DC book? It's not like BatTranny would be wearing a cowboy hat. Too often.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:32 / 08.06.06
Ladies and gentleman, that was the sound of self-parody collapsing under its own weight.

Was it, though? Was it?
 
 
chairmanWOW
06:07 / 08.06.06
To answer the "what does he do" part: He has magnetic powers I'm pretty sure that "corset" isn't meant to be rigid

I was hoping his power was the ability to do choreographed dance routines in stilettos while wielding an axe at the same time. Magnetic powers are no fun.

Touch-a-Touch-a-Touch-a!
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
06:39 / 08.06.06
Okay. I've been out of the DCU for a bit, but what the heck happened to Black Adam's ears? Is he Namor now, or what?
 
 
Mario
11:16 / 08.06.06
They've almost always been depicted that way. It's just that up until fairly recently, he's never had enough exposure for anyone to notice.
 
 
doctorbeck
13:04 / 08.06.06
forgive me if this is so goddam obvious as to be not worth saying but i was wondering if pre-crisis fans of DC agree that alan moore brought the DCU to life in swamp thing where over 20 issues or so he travelled from gotham(and met bats) to the spititual realm (and met the spectre, phantom stranger, cane & abel) and then outer space (where he went to jacl kirbys wall at the end of the unviverse, met metron and darkseid) and suddenly the whole sprawling DCU, with it's horror titles, its cosmic sci-fi, its urban vigilantes, was one plausible place and it seemed entirely reasonable that it was all going on in one consistent universe,

and he did it withou multi-part tie ins and reboots, just a good story well told (except maybe for the central conceit that swampthings electromagnetic something or other was out of what) and added a new cosmology and eco-awareness to boot

i ask because this was my first intro to the DCU so it all seemed natural enough but maybe older readers have a different take on it?
 
 
Mario
13:46 / 08.06.06
In a way. But in another way, he also splintered the DCU, because it's the writers that followed him that led to the spinning off of the Vertigo universe.
 
 
Quantum
12:54 / 17.06.06
So I was reading Day of Vengeance and having just read House of M I kept subconsciously expecting Zatanna to fight the Scarlet Witch...

Are the various crises and crossovers making it harder and harder for casual readers to distinguish between Marvel and DC? They seem to mirror each other more and more closely, many characters are analogues of each other, it's often the same writers and artists migrating between both camps, it's all a bit confusing for an idiot like me.
And is the Vertigo continuity now seperate enough to have crossovers with Marvel and Wildstorm etc? It already has different magical rules.
 
 
Mario
13:25 / 17.06.06
At this point, the only real way to telll the players apart is by looking for the icons. If Superman/Batman is in it, it's probably a DC title. Ditto, on the Marvel side, for Spidey/Wolverine.

As for Vertigo... it doesn't really HAVE a continuity. Sure, technically Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, and Lucifer can be traced to the same universe, but they almost never have crossovers (the last one was in '94) and I doubt they even bother referring to events in other "Vertigo Universe" titles. And then we have books like Losers or Y the Last Man, which take place in worlds of their own.
 
 
Quantum
14:36 / 17.06.06
As a teenager I didn't read DC or Marvel because they were shit at the time IIRC, and read indy stuff instead. I started reading both relatively recently as they got better (e.g. GMs JLA or X-Men) but they're both declining again IMHO and the indy stuff at the moment is great. I think I may give up on them both again. Nobody ever dies for real, they reset the continuity every few months, and increasingly you have to read over a dozen titles at once to make sense of them, I suspect so they can boost sales.
Take 52 for example. Blatant commercialism. I can understand an interlinked story can be more satisfying (hello 7 Soldiers) but that seems only comprehensible to fans who've read every Marvel release of the last ten years. Ditto DC, you shouldn't need a thread like this, but even when there's not an infinite identity christmas crossover time travelling reboot event going on the comics are making less and less sense.
Why are DC making their stuff even less accessible? They're either pandering to their hardcore fans who frankly don't need any excuse to buy comics, or they're trying to cross-market their stuff to bleed the fanbase dry because they're having trouble getting new fans? I don't know, I mean the recent spate of movies must be drawing people in surely? Superman and Batman alone should be enough I'd've thought.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:55 / 17.06.06
Mario: As for Vertigo... it doesn't really HAVE a continuity. Sure, technically Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, and Lucifer can be traced to the same universe, but they almost never have crossovers (the last one was in '94) and I doubt they even bother referring to events in other "Vertigo Universe" titles. And then we have books like Losers or Y the Last Man, which take place in worlds of their own.

Except that Swamp Thing showed up during the "Staring at the Wall" arc in Constantine - actually, so did Tim Hunter in his adult incarnation and several others, IIRC - and the events of that storyline fed into the most recent reboot of the Swamp Thing title - ie, the soul of Alec Holland being burned away from him, leaving only the Green. Constantine showed up at the beginning of that, as well.

And you could make a case for the Totems one-off, which had its good points and its bad points.

It's more that Vertigo's continuity is flexible, and can be either connected to something bigger or more self-contained as need be.
 
 
Mario
19:57 / 17.06.06
I sit corrected. But I stand by my comment that events in one book rarely affect another.
 
 
unbecoming
18:28 / 18.06.06
In the latest issue of 52, in the history of the DCU section, mention is made of Jason Todd's death and subsequent return. I'd read the death part but hadn't heard about the return part, could anyone fill in the details for me?
 
 
Mario
18:32 / 18.06.06
A combination of Superboy-Prime punches and a Lazarus pit. It was all explained in an annual a couple of months ago.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:44 / 18.06.06
Hey, is JSA: Liberty File/Unholy Three any good? Been thinking about picking it up.
 
 
Mario
00:50 / 19.06.06
It's pretty good, if you like pulp-era heroics.
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:40 / 19.06.06
Tonight I dreamt, I flipped through a DC Batman/Superman title and I didn´t get it at all. S and B were floating in a dark space and talking serious universe affecting stuff, sometimes one of them was missing his head and it was confusing.

Then Jack Denfeld appeared and explained the comic to me!

Thinking about the dream, I knew what was wrong with superhero comics for me the last 12 or so years. They are way too confusing. DC was always confusing to me. No wonder, Batman and Superman had been sold decades before I was born, with Marvel and cheap reprint paperbacks it was way more easy for me to catch up.

DC has had too many crisii (? ), superheroes, silver ages and stuff.

And when Marvel started that too, with Spiderman having his fourth title, mutants having their fourth and so on titles, Marvel stopping numbering F4 and starting at number 1 again, I dropped every Marvel title.

The breaking point for me was, when Xmen was biweekly and Storm got reborn as a child. They already did similar rebirths with Jean ([Phoenix crisis], Jean´s clone, Jean returning after the clone] and especially Illyana [Inferno crisis], and for once it would have been nice if people really remained dead (Valiant even made ads saying "in our universe the dead stay dead").

These days the only Big 2 titles I read are Punisher, Nextwave and some vertigo titles.

The smaller companies are much more fun! I prefer BPRD, Ex Machina, Planetary and Walking Dead. They are young, not much history to know (yet) and it will all end one day.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:42 / 19.06.06
I often dream of Jack Denfeld. He's like a genie.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:27 / 03.07.06
Did Bierbaum and/or Giffen, et al. ever make a definitive statement about their intents with the Dominators in Legion V4? I can't remember if it's been discussed here, I seem to recall it coming up before. The Dominators already existed, but have they ever said if they had a specific intent toward ramping up the WW2 Anti-Japanese propaganda-vibe being given off by the invaders? I'm working on a big old v4 Legion blog entry and wanted to ruminate on it.
 
 
The Falcon
22:33 / 03.07.06
Who's this Great White Shark chud that showed up at the end of 'Face the Face' ('tec/Batman) then? How is he running crime from Arkham?
 
 
Mario
22:38 / 03.07.06
I think Giffen just likes them. He used them in Invasion, too.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:49 / 03.07.06
Falconer - Warren White thought he was screwing over the justice system by moving to an insanity plea rather than guilty for embezzling and such while CEO of a major corporation.

Problem was, he pulled this in Gotham. This was all in Arkham Asylum: Living Hell, notable for the Jason Blood love. White - the "Great White Shark," as he was known in the papers - ended up being tortured to the point of madness and was severely disfigured by Jane Doe. Afterward he started up as the Great White Shark for real, a corporate-style madman running operations in and out of the asylum. Humpty Dumpty was his muscle.

I'm actually quite pleased they've brought him back.
 
 
The Falcon
01:17 / 04.07.06
Oh, that's the Slott thing, isn't it? Traded, quite dark? I might actually pick that up.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:42 / 04.07.06
Highly recommended. It's got Jason Blood. Ryan Sook does art. Jane Doe is a moderately intriguing character and I've been wondering if she's been used since. There's not actually much Batman in it, but there -is- some Batgirl. References the "Sprang Act," which is delightful.
 
 
Jack Fear
02:49 / 04.07.06
You must be easily delighted.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:56 / 04.07.06
I suppose. I take my giant typerwriters when I can get them.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
08:40 / 04.07.06
Giffen/Bierbaum legion:

I've definitely read about this somewhere, but google is not finding the page I remember.

However, THIS says "Postscript: Keith Giffen has been quoted, saying that the pre-boot Legion (v4) was "the one story I wish I could have finished up right." He intended to reveal the SW6 Legionnaires as the real Legion, while the adults would be revealed as clones. The creators had planned a "hat trick" in which the writers would randomly select some characters (as if drawn from a hat) to die in a massive battle involving both Legions against a common enemy. The adult team would then have left United Planets space and called themselves the Omega Men, getting their own spin-off book. "
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
08:44 / 04.07.06
Which doesn't mention the Dominators at all, sorry.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
06:00 / 05.07.06
Weren't the Dominators the ones who were "holding" the SW6 Legion?
 
  

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