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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:44 / 07.05.06
Lion in Winter! Brilliant! Even with the psychosexual aspects already there. But there's a more important issue here: motherhood. New Gods are all about the daddy issues, and Barda can't hold up all dissonant feminities and female essences on her own. We need Beautiful Dreamer, Granny Goodness, the Female Furies...

Interesting that there are more memorable New Goddesses from Apokolips than New Genesis...

...In other words: who does Catherine Hepburn get to play?
 
 
Aertho
23:47 / 07.05.06
Apokolips, if read as Geburah(as I do), is feminine.
 
 
Mario
23:51 / 07.05.06
I would Jesus the hell out of Lightray. Sun God after Sun God, powers that spoke in gentle pastels, maybe even give him a circuit-laced cloak, some facial hair and a Motherbox-As-Shepherd's-Staff (The 'Cosmic Crook'!). Play up the counterpoint to Orion, the Wrath and Compassion of the Gods.

Nah, that's Highfather (or maybe Takion)
 
 
Mario
23:52 / 07.05.06
I agree that we might want to start a new thread for this. Possibly a catch-all character redesign thread?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:59 / 07.05.06
All-Star thread, maybe? Make it a catch-all, concept & design thread?
 
 
Mario
00:02 / 08.05.06
Works for me.
 
 
John Octave
23:01 / 08.05.06
Quick one. If the Speed Force is disabled or "used up" or whatever, how does Jay Garrick still have powers?
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:07 / 08.05.06
Jake's speed is a part of his Meta-gene ability not the speed force.
 
 
Aertho
23:07 / 08.05.06
He's got a superspeed metagene. Like a mutant power. The others don't have that. Theirs are science/physics/chemical based.
 
 
Mario
23:47 / 08.05.06
It looks like it's possible to have metagene-derived super-speed up to a point (approximately the speed of sound) without the Speed Force. Hence, Jay Garrick and Captain Boomerang II still have their powers. But to go REALLY fast, you need something else.
 
 
John Octave
00:16 / 09.05.06
But haven't we seen him connected up with the Speed Force before? When Savitar took everybody's powers but Wally's, I'm pretty sure Jay was affected, but I haven't read that story in a while.

Also, wouldn't Impulse/Kid Flash have metagene speed since he inherited his powers from his parents? Sorry to bug, but this whole Jay Garrick metagene business is news to me. Is this a Geoff Johns thing or does it predate him?
 
 
Aertho
00:18 / 09.05.06
Geoff Johns in that it's lazy, sloppy hackmanship? Or in that it's a peculiar retcon?
 
 
Mario
00:22 / 09.05.06
It was in 8C #7, but I'm not sure if it was revealed earlier in JSA or what.
 
 
John Octave
01:27 / 09.05.06
Geoff Johns in that it's lazy, sloppy hackmanship? Or in that it's a peculiar retcon?

Actually, I just meant "a Geoff Johns thing" because he was writing both JSA and the Flash book--and Infinite Crisis, for that matter--so I thought it likely that he wrote whatever story this was revealed in.

The excellent Flash website at hyperborea.org says, "It turns out that Jay carries a super-speed metagene," so that's awfully convenient. "It turns out..."
 
 
Jack Denfeld
03:41 / 09.05.06
"It turns out that Jay carries a super-speed metagene," so that's awfully convenient. "It turns out..."
The fact there was a "speed force" was awfully convenient too. Definetly ruined Johnny Quick's origin.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
08:38 / 09.05.06
Has there ever been a more gruesome torture scene in a mainstream DC superhero comic than Morrison's Mr. Miracle scene?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
03:55 / 27.05.06
The Question. Explain him to me. Is the Question now different than the one Ditko made up? I heard he was an arrogant bastard who was violent and absolute in his beliefs, but when O'Neil started writing his series years later he totally changed that and made him a Zen Buddhist kinda sees grey areas kinda guy.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
04:06 / 27.05.06
Gotta find issue#17.
The Question #17 (1988) had Vic Sage read Watchmen; He initially sees Rorschach as being quite cool, but gets beaten up after trying to emulate his brutal style of justice. He concludes that 'Rorschach sucks'.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:36 / 27.05.06
Penfold- I recommend picking up the Veitch/Edwards Question series of, oh, a year ago? Maybe two? Besides the brilliant artwork, it gives you a pretty solid account of the Question as he stands today. More or less. At times the urban shaman aspect gets to be a bit too ... well ... cliche, I suppose, but they do a pretty good job with the character, especially in relation to people like Superman.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:05 / 28.05.06
Is that for real that they actually had Vic Sage read Watchmen & refer to Rorschach in The Question #17? Or is this just a 'Lither taking the piss or speaking metaophorically?
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:18 / 28.05.06
apparently so. I really liked the Denis O'Neil stuff, I think it was quarterly, but it didn't last long. I couldn't get into the recent series though. I may give it another go if it's collected though, I've always liked the character.
 
 
grant
19:20 / 28.05.06
wikipedia knows the question.

and the answer.
 
 
grant
19:33 / 28.05.06
scans here
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:47 / 30.05.06
Who's this new gay Batwoman that I read about when I read half of an article in today's Metro over someone's shoulder before they inconsideratly got out one station ahead of me on the tube this morning?
 
 
Mario
13:11 / 30.05.06
Basically, they have recreated the Silver-Age version (who was killed by a brainwashed Bronze Tiger a long time ago) for the post-Infinite DCU. Same name (Kathy Kane) and basic personality (bored socialite) but this version also happens to be a lesbian.

The only really interesting bit is whether they'll keep the connection to the Teen Titans ally Flamebird.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
21:02 / 30.05.06
So how does this character fit in with the Barbara Gordon Bats?
 
 
Mario
21:10 / 30.05.06
It doesn't, really. Batwoman was more or less in retirement when Batgirl (Babs) was created. And, post-Crisis, THAT Kathy Kane was never a heroine (although her niece was)
 
 
Aertho
22:28 / 30.05.06
This Batwoman sounds like a someone tried and failed, and the result is only the husk of Cobweb.
 
 
Mario
22:50 / 30.05.06
That's a little unfair. She was a fairly regular part of the Batbooks for eight years (1956-1964) and made the occasional guest appearance (as a retired hero) over the next decade and a half. The only reason she was taken out of the regular cast was the "New Look" Batman initiative (which also killed off Alfred and brought Catwoman out of limbo)
 
 
chairmanWOW
13:40 / 07.06.06
I've recently started reading the early Legion of Super-heroes stuff and I just have a question regarding one of the members.

Who is this and what does he do? I can't check wikipedia because I don't know his name...all's I know is he looks fabulous! I wish more super-heroes would have the panache to wear corsets.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:09 / 07.06.06
That's Cosmic Boy.

No, really.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:10 / 07.06.06
it's supposed to be pink, not his bare chest. Just not the best-colored cover (or costume, arguably).
 
 
Mario
15:20 / 07.06.06
Scarily, no. That IS his bare skin. (tho most of his costumes are pink, as you suggest). It was a redesign by Mike Grell
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
18:56 / 07.06.06
My first thought was Timber Wolf (the costume looks like a T), but if that is skin, it's not hairy enough. The Legion of Superheroes had some really REALLY awful costumes, especially throughout the disco years.
 
 
rabideyemovement
21:48 / 07.06.06


yeah, it's definitely bare skin... Man, he looks like a tranny hooker.
 
  

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