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11:34 / 05.07.06

Is the superboy who just died the same one who used to wear the leather jacket? The one who came about when superman died.

Also, what happened to that dude with the visor? The exterminator? That dosen't sound right.... anyhow, he was one of the superman clones.

12:26 / 05.07.06

Yes, that was the same Superboy.

As for the visored one...turns out he was the Eradicator, a Kryptonian construct. He went bad a couple of times, had a couple of re-designs, and was last seen being pwned by an OMAC.

08:07 / 12.07.06

What did they call Lazarus Pits before that Christ fella pulled the trick with the zombie?

Or was he named after the pit? In which case, good call on his parent's part.

12:47 / 12.07.06

Not much. Ra's himself is only about 500 years old, and before he discovered them, nobody knew they existed.

17:31 / 12.07.06

Except for Jesus!

(The Earth 2 one)

17:54 / 12.07.06

Now I can only see this cover

as between New Testament Jesus and Viking Jesus (who isn't Ultimate Jesus; that would be Ultimate Thor)

18:00 / 12.07.06

Write it, and have Vampire-Killin Jesus cameo. Plz.

18:03 / 12.07.06

I didn't even read the circle you just drew there... Viking > Ultimate > Thor.

Clever boy!

18:29 / 12.07.06

Dude Thor's totally Ultimate Viking. He even turns up in Superman/Batman's Maximals (and in the Authority's Americans) as... seatbelts... "Viking".

18:40 / 12.07.06

Well, yes, but it was your original wordchoice describing the Supermen as New Testament versus Viking, and then knocked it out of the park when you said the Viking God = Ultimate Jesus. Made me smile and want to pat your head.

That was props, yo.

08:36 / 24.07.06

i must admit i don't know much about the DCU pre-crisis but reading the Crisis trade at the weekend i was pleasantly surprised top see Ultraman, Power Ring and all those from GMs earth 2 story crop up, were they regular villians pre-crisis or was this something that marv wolfman made up for the infinite earths stories?
also any good online resources for the precrisis DCU with all the earth variants and who lived on them? is it right there was effectively an earth shazam with little or no other heroes? thanks.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

10:23 / 24.07.06

Earth-S would have had all the Fawcett Comics characters, so the Shazam lot, plus Bulletman, Bulletgirl, and others I can't remember right now.

The Earth2 characters (Ultraman, etc) existed preCrisis on Earth 3. They made a number of appearances as far as I know, not sure of the exact amount.

12:28 / 24.07.06

The Earth 3 characters first appeared in mid-60s JLA, long before Marv Wolfman started in comics. I think they were a Gardner Fox creation.

Other Earth-S / Fawcett comics heroes: Ibis the Invincible, Spy Smasher, Mr. Scarlet and Pinky the Whiz Kid (seriously).

Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name

19:25 / 25.07.06

Back in the early 80s, the Legion of Super-Heroes did a storyline in which Saturn Girl and Lonewolf aka Timberwolf and a bunch of other legionnaires were stranded on a planet. Due to the distance and some other plot devices that I can no longer remember, Lightening Lad, Saturn Girl's husband, believed her and the other legionnaires to be dead. Thus, Saturn Girl, Timberwolf et al. were waiting in vain for a rescue. As the months passed, Saturn Girl and Timberwolf had an affair.

What I want to know is how this storyline was resolved. Does anyone know?

In hindsight, I think this was DC's version of the love triangle of Logan/Jean/Scott. Timberwolf is Logan, being the handsome badboy outsider;Saturn Girl is Jean, she of the awesome telepathic powers and married to the leader of the legionnaires, Lightening Lad. And Lightening Lad is Scott, the uptight dude who leads the team, is married to the resident telepathic hot chick, and is secretly a mass of insecurities. Indeed, if memory serves, when he thought that his wife was dead, he started drinking heavily.

20:19 / 25.07.06

Jesus. A Legion Book had all that? How odd.

Did Florrie Fisher make a very special guest appearance too?

20:44 / 25.07.06

It wasn't an affair. Timber Wolf was merely comforting her. However, when they were rescued, Light Lass misunderstood the situation, leading to a breakup.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

07:54 / 31.07.06

So after the flawless majesty of Infinite Crisis, how has the DCU changed? Is it the same as before IC? Is the pre-Crisis multiverse back? Or has it changed but this time we're not being told how it's altered?

09:13 / 31.07.06

Last one; basically it's like the last crisis, but tiny details are altered - Wonder Woman was, once again, a founding member of the Justice League instead of Black Canary, Joe Chill was imprisoned for the Waynes' murder, etc.

09:15 / 31.07.06

And there ain't no multiverse, no, but tiny remnants (their Green Lantern) of parallels such as Earth-97 (Tangent U) have been folded into a 'New Earth'.

21:45 / 23.08.06

Who's Hush and why do people hate him/her?

22:32 / 23.08.06

And there ain't no multiverse, no...

Well, except that the Wildstorm Universe still exists, and apparently remains accessible from the DCU -- in fact Captain Atom reappeared from there at the climax of Infinite Crisis itself, which would seem to contradict one of the basic premises of the series. And of course the Wildstorm U is embedded in the Bleed, which is pretty much exactly the precrisis Multiverse, though in Wildstorm fashion the worlds that've been accessed through it on panel tend to be from the more grim'n'gritty end of the spectrum. There's also been a multiple universe story in Superman/Batman recently (currently? still going on? not sure). How all this fits with the alleged "no more multiverse" resolution of IC I don't quite understand, but frankly I have a soft spot for multiversal continuities, so I'm happy to have it all left hazy if it leaves the door open for these kinds of stories to continue happening.

22:39 / 23.08.06

Well, I think the application is different. Before, all the Earths were alternate versions of Earth-1. Now, while there may be PARALLEL earths (the CSA Earth, the Wildstorm Earth, the Marvel Earth) there aren't any more "divergent" earths.

Plus, they seem a lot harder to get to.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

02:14 / 06.10.06

Spelunking through old preboot Legion comics at the moment, especially the "Five Years Later" Era which knocks my socks off when it's not being overwhelmed by Editorial-mandated retconning and evil villains with mentally dominated super-wives...what was going on with the bit about Superman destroying the moon? When was that in terms of the Superman comics? There didn't seem to be any cross-references.

I also picked up two Superman comics where the Legion showed up, just post-Crisis, and we discover the Pocket Universe Superboy. Who apparently died shortly thereafter. Was that story any good? I liked the two Byrne parts I have, but part of the "streamlining" that seemed to occur post-Crisis seems to be books crossing over into each other without much warning or explanation for the reader.

19:32 / 06.10.06

There was a storyline (called Time & Time Again, IIRC) where Superman was lost in time for a while. The Legion story was part of that.

22:09 / 09.11.06

A question for anybody reading the current run of JLA: Just before the end of the third issue, one of the supervillains that Hawkgirl and Black Lightning have been beating up is revealed as having some sort of parasite thing on the back of his neck. The way the panel is drawn, is that this is meant to appear as some sort of revelation that the reader might be expected to recognise...except, for me it isn't. I can't recall ever having seen one of those creatures before, so, can anybody clarify for me?

Is the thing on the supervillain's neck new, or has it appeared before?

22:25 / 09.11.06

Wouldn't be a Sheeda spine-rider, would it?

22:48 / 09.11.06

More like a "Starro Spine Rider"

00:04 / 10.11.06

Damn! Beat me to it!

01:49 / 10.11.06

what was going on with the bit about Superman destroying the moon?

That was actually Dev-Em who destroyed it; Superman tried to stop him, but a Linear Man apparently prevented him because history was supposed to go that way, or some such. Earth folks caught a glimpse of the "S" on a transmission just before the moon blew, so they initially thought he might be responsible.

I also picked up two Superman comics where the Legion showed up, just post-Crisis, and we discover the Pocket Universe Superboy. Who apparently died shortly thereafter. Was that story any good?

I enjoyed it, mostly because it led into Brainiac 5, Mon-El and a few other Legionnaires heading to the future to kill the Time Trapper in revenge. And IMO that produced one of the all-time best "Godlike villain beats down our heroes like gnats" scenes in comics.

04:25 / 08.12.06

Has Bruce Wayne always been a Billionaire?

If not (I have a vague notion of him being referred to as millionaire playboy years ago) when did he break that particular mark?

There was a lost some time ago that showed the values of DC Universe characters (might have included all comic book characters actually) and he was marked at around 2 billion, I think - anyone know exact figures? Who's wealthiest?

18:59 / 09.12.06

Be warned; DC is doing some weird stuff with the hardcover (and most likely it'll be in the upcoming eventual paperback release of it too) in INFINITE CRISIS - inserting some small but crucial lines that were not in the original mini, about an Earth-2 existing post-IC, a multiverse being suggested after all. Add that to the mention in Meltzer's JLA relaunch #1 of the JLA in the near future discovering an Earth-2 (for the second time in DC's publishing history) and you've got the multiverse and maybe even Hypertime returning! (Hypertime was mentioned in a recent issue of 52 - the character Waverider, who Skeets apparently kills, is described in panel narration as "The guardian of Hypertime".)

08:29 / 06.02.07

In Ron Marz's recent interview with Newsarama he states that Captain Atom was hding from the Monitors in the bleed. As I understand it there were only ever two Monitors, does anyone know any differently?

I'm wondering whether the hand of Morrison is being felt here. He was, afterall, the first person to introduce multiple Galacti, and the latest ish of Ion was apparently one big tease for some big upcoming stuff.

The multiverse is back or coming back, that much is for sure.

09:13 / 06.02.07

The latest Ion (I Byrne-stole it) is all about the Tangent universe, so yes, the multiverse is deffo alive and kicking as of right now. That stuff about the Bleed is interesting though, isn't that a Wildstorm concept? So a DC character is hanging out in a Wildstorm 'space' (with Hawksmoor, natch), hiding from oldie DC villains. What comic was this in? Usually Ron Marz makes me sick in my mouth a little, but that tangled set of events sounds very fun. Was that in the Captain Atom wildstorm series?

09:22 / 06.02.07

About two people here will understand but I cannot wait for Tangent Superman to show up.

09:29 / 06.02.07

What was cool about him? I likey the concept behing Tangent GL

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