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16:49 / 20.08.05

There've been many a time I wished for a vehicle designed for 'urine related emergencies.'

Yeah! You could be trapped in a bus with a broken toilet, and you need to pee, so you light up the Whiz Emergency signal. And then the Newsboys show up with the Whiz Wagon hovering right next to the bus, and Flippa Dippa is holding a bucket and yells "AIM AT THE BUCKET! IT'S OUR ONLY CHANCE!" and like, then you open the window and pull down the zipper... and... yeah... doesn't sound like a great adventure.

And did anybody else idolize scuba-boy Flippa as a kid? The kid was prepared! For anything involving, well, a wetsuit.

What I liked about Flippa was the fact that he was the Newsboys' Aquaman, but actually managed to kick more ass than the rest combined. That, and he always manged to find a river, pool, or stream to swim in and sneak up on the enemy.

17:39 / 20.08.05

Flippa Dippa was in the short-lived ORION comic, tho he no longer wears the wetsuit full-time and calls himself "Flip"

19:07 / 20.08.05

Two Qs:

What made Aztek "cool"? What did he bring to the table that Morrison didn't already have represented in his JLA?

Tell me of the Newsboys. Who is this Flip/Flippa, and who were his friends. Why were they important to Cadmus? ETC.

02:13 / 21.08.05

Hee, in this one Lois Lane adventure, the evil cloning facility fortituously had a fountain in the reception area, where Flipper could lurk and pick off guards with his boxing-glove speargun he got from Speedy.

Jake, Colossus of Clout

03:51 / 21.08.05

Daytripper- I think Flippa was in the mid-nineties Project Cadmus stories. I have some trades from that era, and I distinctly remember a black kid in a teal wetsuit, though I'm not sure if he was mentioned by name. I remember Bogdanove drawing that- I think it was a story where he and Lois snuck into cadmus through an underwater route, as I remember Lois in a wetsuit, too. It may have been in "Funeral for a Friend," now that I think about it. Unfortunately, that trade is in storage.

Incidentally, I fucking love John Bogdanove's art on Man of Steel. Does he still have a job in the industry? His art was so dynamic and distinctive in the mid-nineties when everybody else was trying to be so Image. What a great superhero penciller.

I'm going to get those trades, and soon. Bogdanove. Fuck, yeah. I love this thread because it made me remember him.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

13:12 / 21.08.05

Chad What made Aztek "cool"? What did he bring to the table that Morrison didn't already have represented in his JLA?

His patron God could have Shazam in a fight.

I suspect that as Morrison liked Aztek he just wrote him into the JLA so he could kill off a hero in WWIII.

rabideyemovement

14:50 / 21.08.05

Aztek was supposed to die off in his own book fighting his timeless nemesis Tezcatlipoca. But when his series was cancelled after a few issues, Morrison was forced to resolve it in the JLA book. He basicly said Mageddon was Tezcatlipoca and had Aztek killed in the battle. I can't help but wonder what he really intended the final fight between Tezwhatchamacallit and Aztek to be.
Maybe the Q society will have to train another Aztek someday.

16:07 / 21.08.05

I think it was a story where he and Lois snuck into cadmus through an underwater route, as I remember Lois in a wetsuit, too. It may have been in "Funeral for a Friend," now that I think about it. Unfortunately, that trade is in storage.

Yep-- I just looked it up; Man of Steel #21. Lois in the teal wetsuit, Flip in the red one. Totally forgot about him.

It was the same issue where Jonathan keels over in the field. And Lois rescues Superman's corpse, or something.

Jake, Colossus of Clout

16:36 / 21.08.05

And doesn't she completely lose it when she sees Superman's body all hooked up to tubes and machines, and goes Kung-Fu Lois on all Cadmus fuckers in the vicinity? In beautiful John Bogdanove artwork?

17:59 / 21.08.05

I can't help but wonder what he really intended the final fight between Tezwhatchamacallit and Aztek to be.
I could've sworn I read in an interview (maybe Wizard?) a while back that Aztek would defeat Tezachawhatchamacallit, retire as a superhero, and then get hit by a bus or something.

03:39 / 22.08.05

Simonson introduced a female Newsboy, "Famous Bobbie"- has she shown up subsequently, or did she get retconned away like most of Simonson's work seems to end up?

12:56 / 22.08.05

AFAIK, the Newsboy Legion as a whole hasn't shown up since then.

14:35 / 26.08.05

How and when did Ice Maiden die?

at the scarwash

15:51 / 26.08.05

has anyone ever tried to explain away the implausibilty of Wonder Woman as an Amazon sporting the stars and stripes motif in her costume?

16:09 / 26.08.05

How and when did Ice Maiden die?

Not sure, but I think it happened in Justice League around issue one hundres. Give or take twenty.

I got some JL issues for free, and one of them had this bad guy who wanted to blow up planet Earth for some reason or other, and Ice Maiden wanted to live so she betrayed the JLA and went to work with him.

I got another issue that takes place later and apparently Ice died there while she was working for the bad guy from what I gather.

16:29 / 26.08.05

has anyone ever tried to explain away the implausibilty of Wonder Woman as an Amazon sporting the stars and stripes motif in her costume?

Diana Trevor

Essential Dazzler

21:34 / 26.08.05

Maybe there should be a Wildstorm Universe thread, but I'll ask here. At what point during the Sleeper run did the Copu d'etat issue happen, I'm waiting on the final trade and wouldn't want to spoil anything by reading Coup d'etat

00:33 / 27.08.05

I thought the Coup was between Sleeper Season One and Sleeper Season Two... so, between the second and third trades, I guess. But maybe it's included in one of the trades. I dunno.

04:26 / 27.08.05

Originally, Wonder Woman adopted the Stars and Stripes, (and the eagle on her breastplate before Perez changed it to a WW logo) because she was sent to America, being the closest thing the Amazons could find to the ancient Greeks' democratic ideal.

Oh dear.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:17 / 27.08.05

Yes, Coup D'Etat takes place between the two seasons of Sleeper. You don't need to read any of the Coup D'Etat stuff to understand Sleeper, though.

10:08 / 29.08.05

Hey, I may have taken too much antacid in the 60's, but didn't someone at D.C. give Snapper Carr, the crap D.C. Rick Jones, superpowers? I mean apart from the time he was the Star Tsar.

12:20 / 29.08.05

Yes, during Invasion. He could teleport by snapping his fingers. He lost them later, as revealed in the Peyer HOURMAN series.

And he wasn't Star Tsar, Mark Shaw was.

17:41 / 29.08.05

I've got another one: Where was Hal Jordan during Crisis on Infinite Earths? As far as that goes, where was Guy Gardner? Seems like we could've gotten a whole lot more Lanternage.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

17:59 / 29.08.05

Didn't Crisis happen while Hal was for some reason ringless and was running around trying to be a powerless hero?

18:00 / 29.08.05

Where was Hal Jordan during Crisis on Infinite Earths? As far as that goes, where was Guy Gardner? Seems like we could've gotten a whole lot more Lanternage.

After Ferris Aircraft got destroyed (which proved that having Green Lantern as your boyfriend had no benefits whatsoever), Carol Ferris gave Hal Jordan an ultimatum: Either quit being Green Lantern or break up with her. So, Hal turned in his ring to the Guardians. He was replaced by John Stewart.

Once Crisis hit, Hal got in touch with the Guardians (I forget how) and said they'd better put him back in the game. They agreed that Earth could probably use another Green Lantern, but said it would be Guy Gardener, not him. They were even all "You will never be a Green Lantern again, son!"

Still, Hal managed to tag along with Guy on his crisis missions in a sort of advisory capacity.

18:49 / 29.08.05

interesting point - I forgot Hal wasn't involved overmuch with Crisis on Infinite Earths.

09:14 / 30.08.05

just read a pleasing enough WonderWoman trade over the weekend where her mum makes her comete to be WW again and a renegade Amazonian wins the competition and becomes WW for a bit, how did she get back to being WW and was there another big reveal about what her mum was acting strange about?

also it looks like the crisis (?) retcon has her mum as original JSA member - why did she do that?

have to say the story was fine but the art was fairly awful, all the women had legs up to their breasts and stood in odd poses for no discernible reason other than to please fan boys.

13:44 / 30.08.05

That story was written by William Messner-Loebs and drawn by Mike Deodato, by the way (the latter is famous for his cheesecake Image-ese depictions of women).

John Byrne (during his WW run) had WW's mum go back in time and become the Golden Age Wonder Woman with the JSA.

14:32 / 30.08.05

>Mike Deodato
that's the fella, the blurb on the jacket described him as 'fan favourite artist' and it was just embarrassing, had to keep it hidden from my wife in case it confirmed everything she has always suspected about comics and why i watch buffy.
a shame that WW art gets to represent everything bad about how women are drawn in comics. everyone looked like they had had a brazilian too. and it was 'big' john who sent a current hyppolita back to be in the JSA, rather than herself 40 years ago before the birth of WW (as she is immortal i wouldn't have thought that would have been a problem). thanks

14:53 / 30.08.05

Try the recent WW story arcs, doctor, the art is much less over-the-top and the stories are pretty decent (starting when Greg Rucka took over about 2 years ago). The first two arcs are in paperback now.

18:12 / 31.08.05

In OMAC, Fire was shot in the back. I though she was wraith-like and basically intangible in this form. Has this changed?

18:29 / 31.08.05

Fire seems to just have a green flame form ut that doesn't mean she's intangable.

During the above mentioned WW run. Diana's mom had the contest held again because she was given a prophecy that the Wonder Woman would die in a battle in the near future. She fixed the game to allow Artamis to become the new Wonder Woman there by setting her up to be killed, but sparing Diana. When the battle occured the "new" Wonder Woman was killed (and later resurected) Diana found out all about her Mom's minipulations but was unable to forgive or punish her before Paradise island was disappeared.

The island was later restored in time for Byrne's run. Diana was then "killed" and ascended into goddesshood while her mom took over as Wonder Woman, wore a skirt and travel back in time to WWII where she joined the JSA and desided not to travel back into the present (with the golden age FLASH he got her into the past in the first palce) and instead made her way to the present one minute at a time. By this point Diania relinquished her Goddesshood and there was some weird stuff about Donna Troy as well.

rabideyemovement

20:19 / 31.08.05

Yeah, you're right Warewolf. Fire is supposed to be intangible when in flame form.

09:53 / 01.09.05

Oh, please, let's not start on Donna Troy, the superhero with more origins than Megaton Man...

Phex: Dorset Doom

22:06 / 09.09.05

I suddenly became curious about something:

How did The Joker lose his job as the Iranian Ambassador? (which he got at the end of 'A Death In the Family', preventing him from being arrested for murdering Jason Tood, in an episode that featured a cameo by Ayatolla Khomeni)

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