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Spaniel
10:04 / 23.08.04
Ah, I remember. Days of Future Past.
 
 
matsya
10:56 / 23.08.04
Wyatt WIngfoot! Remind me who he is! I gots me an itch i just cain't scratch!

m.
 
 
Axolotl
11:06 / 23.08.04
He's a mate of the Fantastic 4, he was Jonny's roommate in one of Jonny's attempts at going to college. Afaik he has no superpowers or a secret identity or any of that kind of thing.
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:56 / 23.08.04
He also fucks She-Hulk, which establishes him as the greatest man in the Marvel Universe.

"Who came first, Ship or Kitt, the talking car? Came as in introduced first…"

Jesus Palomino! X-Factor/Knightrider crossover lemon robo-slash fanfic! Ooh, almost as good as Transformers porn...
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
16:25 / 23.08.04
When it comes to the Summers brothers they’ve impregnated every incarnation of Jean Grey three times over. Madelyne Pryor got knocked up with Cable by Cyclops and with Scottie by Alex. Two different Scott Summers had a go with two different Jean Greys, producing two alternate timeline siblings, Rachel Summers and Nate Grey. Has Havok ever swapped DNA with Marvel Girl?

It's even more complicated than that. Nate Grey, after being artifially aged and brought to our universe, started banging a reinicarnated Madelyne Pryor, who later revealed that she wasn't a clone of Jean Grey at all, but actually an alternate universe version of Nate's mother (who happened to conquoer her universe).
 
 
Aertho
17:03 / 23.08.04
It was only implied that they slept together... Rictor and Shatterstar have done as much. Here you have two people -btoh from alternate dimensions who shouldn't even be alive much less bunking. Why wouldn't they keep together and huddle? And which writer was it? Incest isn't exactly kiddie material.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
17:17 / 23.08.04
Umm... well the one who said it was Jean and not Maddie was Ennis. But I don't know who put Maddie and Nate together first.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
17:23 / 23.08.04
I have a vague feeling it might have been Jeph Loeb? It was Early issues of X-Man, certainly.

I read somewhere that Stephen Grant, the writer of the closing issues of X-Man, wrote them as if Maddie actually WAS Nates mother, but editorial wouldn't let him state it outright.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:53 / 24.08.04
well the one who said it was Jean and not Maddie was Ennis.

Ellis. Not Ennis. Warren Ellis plotted the closing arc of X-Man, Stephen Grant scripted it (with the balance on input/work/control shifting to the latter over the course of the run, as was intentionally the case with all Ellis' 'Counter-X' titles).
 
 
Lord Morgue
09:30 / 24.08.04
Fuck, they're not mutants, they're just really, really inbred.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:41 / 28.08.04
I've been a bit lax with a lot of things four coloured of late. Can anyone tell me what happened to Longshot? Last I remember he was in Mojoland, but that was a good eight maybe ten years ago...
 
 
FinderWolf
02:17 / 29.08.04
I keep up pretty darn well with the Marvel U., and I honestly have no idea where Longshot is or what happened to him. I think he's still in limbo (not Sy'm's X-men-related limbo but comics limbo)... also known as "I was a 'kewl' character and pretty much only drawn by Arthur Adams, so when my one-note personality and Art Adams went away, so did I'.
 
 
Billuccho!
02:30 / 29.08.04
Bah. We'll all miss Longshot.




And his mullet.




...what?
 
 
matsya
00:16 / 30.08.04
re: longshot - wasn't there a one-shot issue back in the mid-nineties? some kind of odd thing set in the kansas wheatfields, i think...

loved the mini, though. anne nocenti wrote it and went on to do odd things with daredevil for a few years, too. noice...

m.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:17 / 30.08.04
What's Ann Nocenti doing these days? I haven't seen anything from her since she took over Porgie's take on Kid Eternity.
 
 
fluid_state
11:55 / 30.08.04
the "Longshot in the wheatfields" comic was about him and a bunch of escaped mental patients; I vaguely recall them working through their various disorders and fleeing a possessed threshing machine. Pretty crap. I loved the original miniseries, tho. It was also nice to have him in the X-men, as stark contrast to the rest of the freshly hard-boiled team. Then Jim Lee came along....
 
 
FinderWolf
13:51 / 30.08.04
Ann Nocenti just wrote a 2-part Batman/Catwoman series called TRAIL OF THE GUN or something like that -- nice pics by Ethan Van Sciver, but it seemed like a lot of rubbish to me otherwise. But that's her return to comics. Oh, she also wrote the John Van Fleet-painted Batman/Poison Ivy prestige format thing that came out about 5 months ago...it also seemed kind of crap, too, except for the lovely Van Fleet art. Maybe she's lost it...
 
 
tituba
11:47 / 01.09.04
NEW X-MEN QUESTIONS:

1) Why didn't Cassandra Nova, while impersonating Xavier, just take over Lilandra and destroy the M'Kraan crystal? I would have spared her the trouble of getting her ass kicked in such a lame way, at least...

2) Was it just coincidence that Grant Morrison predicted the attacks on the World Trade Center (in NEW X-MEN 115)and has he ever commented on it?
 
 
tituba
11:50 / 01.09.04
It, not I...
 
 
FinderWolf
13:28 / 01.09.04
Yes, Morrison did mention the whole 'I predicted the 9/11 attacks in the plane flying into the building as Genosha was destroyed by Sentinels' thing and mentioned it in an essay on his website. Whether you believe he truly predicted it or helped it along via hypersigilic effects is up to you...

strangely, speaking of comics and 9/11, the week of 9/11, the Superman comic of that week had the LexCorp Twin Towers (the buildings looked a lot like the Twin Towers in design) sustain heavy damage in the war with Imperiex (the shitty "Our Worlds At War" DCU crossover). The Lex Towers were not destroyed, though, just sort of gutted and half a wreck.
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:43 / 01.09.04
Didn't a plane fly into the gothic towers in Dark Knight Returns?

I can't remember if it hit it or just fell out of the sky, but if it hit it, then it's all Frank's doing.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:56 / 02.09.04
I think you're right, Benny - s'Frank's fault after all. Let's get 'im!!!
 
 
Benny the Ball
16:50 / 02.09.04
Frank and Unicron's aparently, according to the transformer's thread on this board.

Here's a question - is there any superhero out there who has managed to keep their secret identity actually secret?
 
 
tituba
05:45 / 10.09.04
There's one hero whose true identity I've never seem exposed, but that's probably just because it's a shit character, it's Moon Knight! He's probably told everyone in the Marvel U and I just haven't been paying attention.
 
 
_Boboss
09:00 / 10.09.04
i think for a while the full title of moon knight's book was 'marc spector: moon knight', so...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:15 / 10.09.04
Bit more complex than that - Moon Knight had several secret identities - originally a mercenary (Marc Spector, I think), he then changed his identity to become a Bruce Wayne-style industrialist (nb. Moon Knight = shit Batman), but also developed another secret identity, I think as a cabbie, and yet another one that was too shit to contemplate, IIRC.

Longshot recently appeared in Exiles, when the perennially mediocre superteam arrived in the Mojoverse. He was imprisoned by Mojo, but the Exiles broke him out and convinced him to fight the good fight, despite his despair at the fact that he was unable to defeat even a villain as utterly shit as Mojo. His hair was ridiculous.
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:09 / 10.09.04
Has Mojo passed some law that everyone in the Mojoverse has to have shite hair? Longshot and his mullet, Shatterstar and his Duran Duran look...
 
 
fluid_state
11:42 / 10.09.04
It's understandable once you see the Mojoverse as the Jerry Springer Dimension. Which seems a far cry from the genuinely creepy place it was originally portrayed as.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:54 / 10.09.04
Bit more complex than that - Moon Knight had several secret identities - originally a mercenary (Marc Spector, I think), he then changed his identity to become a Bruce Wayne-style industrialist (nb. Moon Knight = shit Batman), but also developed another secret identity, I think as a cabbie, and yet another one that was too shit to contemplate, IIRC.

Don't remember a fourth identity, but you're spot-on with the others.

It was actually an interesting conceit—in the original Moench/Sienkiewicz run—which was a pretty good little crime/adventure comic, easily as good as the Frank Miller DAREDEVIL—he hardly ever used his original Marc Spector identity, the implication being that he was so ashamed of his mercenary past that he sought to obliterate it by making the millionaire "Steven Grant" his default personality, dipping into the cab-driving "Jake Lockley" persona when he needed to get out on the streets and gather information.

A bunch of people knew his identity, but they each related to him differently—his old comrade Frenchy always called him "Marc," his lowlife friends always called him "Jake," while his girlfriend Marlene always called him "Steven"—even though she had known him as Marc Spector, and in fact he'd been responsible for her father's death. An interesting bit, that, and barely touched on: she could love her father's killer, now that he was a different person.

When the second Moon Knight series started—FIST OF KHONSHU—he'd made a decision to confront his past and started living as Marc Spector again: not coincidentally, Marlene left him around this time.

Some neat subtext there, which was either inadequately explored or thankfully left unlabored, depending on your point of view. Unfortunately, this is also where the rot started to set in, with the bone-headed decision to give the character a mythic dimension by explicitly connecting him to the Egyptian moon-god, by giving him some really cheesy-looking new weaponry and soopapowahs (related to the phases of the moon, no less).

After that, I lost interest: but I seem to recall hearing they did a Krusty the Klown on Marc Spector, making him a Jew—the son of a cantor, IIRC—in deep denial over his ethnicity, which he was then forced to confront, yadda yadda, thus making explicit and ham-fisted the issues of self-reinvention that had been an undercurrent of the character from his conception.

Right up there with Northstar bellowing "FOR I AM GAY!", for my money.
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:51 / 10.09.04
The whole Northstar thing was a fucking laugh- the character got a limited series out of all the publicity, but for some reason they couldn't or wouldn't say "gay" in the book. The villains were after him because he was "You know." Which I personally find hilarious, since the limited series wouldn't even exist if he wasn't "you know".
Has he ever even had a boyfriend in the books? Maybe Marvel have a policy that it's alright for him to be gay just as long as nobody mentions it and he doesn't do anything gay, like, you know, have sex with a man.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:23 / 10.09.04
Oh, there's no question that Northstar was meant to be gay (or at least bisexual) from his very conception. In the first all-John Byrne issues of ALPHA FLIGHT, hints were dropped: he was uncomfortable being the object of het-crushes, and shared a house with a man and a woman. An old firend of his, a courtly middle-aged gentleman, was described as being "A mentor, a friend... and more." The powers-that-be, though, didn't allow Byrne to do more than hint: he was forbidden to bring the character out of the closet (years later, he tried to establish a member of SUPERMAN's supporting cast as a a lesbian , with similar results.)

When Bill Mantlo took over the book, he tried to continue Byrne's work, although in typically cack-handed fashion, by giving Northstar a mysterious, lingering autoimmune illness.

I'm not kidding.

When the book passed to Fabien Nicieza, he was ordered to resolve any lingering questions over Northstar's sexuality and illness. Nicieza settled the question by making Northstar an actual fairy—an elf from Norse mythology. His "disease" was explained as his otherdimensional body's allergic reaction to our gross material plane.

I'm still not kidding.

At about this point, I again—as I always seem to do with Marvel product—lost interest. In fact, I think it was this development that put me off Marvel books entirely, and very nearly off the superhero subgenre.
 
 
Shrug
16:17 / 10.09.04
As regards ship aka professor aka prosh on graymalkin, cable downloaded his sentient program into his own body/system during fatal attractions. Professor eventually then(i'm guessing somehow phalanx connected) became his own fully fledged techno-organic being called prosh who flew off into space to explore the universe because he was crap.
Was that a question? a detailed account can be found on either marvel the appendix-profiles or the marvel handbook.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:18 / 10.09.04
Nice recap of Moon Knight - I never read the book but always heard it was pretty good, esp. with Bill S., of course.

Who was actually writing ALPHA FLIGHT when Northstar came out in true Marvel fashion? (It's like a twisted Jack Kirby panel -- "I -- AM -- GAY!!!!")
 
 
Jack Fear
18:41 / 10.09.04
Lay that sin at Scott Lobdell's door.

 
 
FinderWolf
20:14 / 10.09.04
That is even more hilarious and ridiculous than I remembered it being. Thanks for that clipping and pasting, Jack Fear.
 
  

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