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23:48 / 08.05.06

Is it possible that she CONSIDERS herself Jean's daughter, not Scott's, because of his "betrayal"?

09:39 / 09.05.06

Are the Thunderbolts involved in the Civil War in any way? If so are they registering or rebelling?

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:44 / 09.05.06

There's a cover showing one of 'em shaking hands with Iron Man, so...

14:17 / 10.05.06

Should have worked it out myself really. It's all that time they spent being led/funded by ex-Nazis that did it y'know?

21:08 / 24.05.06

Bloody hell Flyboy! You neglected to mention the Thunderbolt Iron Man is shaking hands with is Baron fracking Zemo! Is Millar doing a less than subtle "former enemies now allies" dig in the War on Supers?

21:25 / 24.05.06

It sounds conceptually similar to that deal Mystique had back in the day with the Brotherhood, when they were govt. sponsored. Freedom Force? It was basically her, Avalanche, Blob, Spiral, err.. maybe Destiny?

What's the deal with the Thunderbolts, then? Are they still reformed villains, or secretly bad these days or what? I've never read one issue.

21:40 / 24.05.06

Or what, I think. Their ID's as former villains has been blown, but they claim to want to reform. Nobody is really sure if that's true for folks like Zemo.

The Natural Way

09:05 / 25.05.06

Baron Zemo? Reform?

What is this stupid shit?

09:24 / 25.05.06

What's the deal with the Thunderbolts, then?

Basically they formed just after the Onslaught Saga. With the Avengers and the FF apparently dead a new team of superheroes turned up out of the blue. It was one of the more entertaining moments of the 90's when it turned out they were actually the Masters of Evil being led by Baron Zemo to take over the world by pretending to be heroes.

As these things go several of the group, specifically Beetle (MACH 4), Screaming Mimi (Songbird), and Goliath (Atlas), got a taste for being heroes.

The team split up after a long run. But New Thunderbolts was launched quite recently and the collected sets are very good (and have them going up against The Purple Man).

The current line-up is Songbird (leader), MACH5, Atlas, Captain Marvel, Speed Demon, The Radioactive Man, Joystick, Blizzard, and (possibly) The Swordsman (actually Andreas von Strucker, formerly Fenris with his sister).

Zemo was, last I heard, trying to destroy them. But I guess they've signed up with him again.

11:30 / 25.05.06

Yes, it happened fairly recently. Apparently, he and Songbird have hooked up. Anyway, he's been playing the old-fashioned "Prussian honor" card a lot, and also managed to get control of the Moonstones. But it's probably a question of when he'll show his true colors, not if.

13:16 / 25.05.06

Apparently, he and Songbird have hooked up.

Really? Is he still all scarred and horrible under the mask?

14:09 / 25.05.06

No, he's been healed of that. I think he just wears the mask for tradition's sake.

07:27 / 07.06.06

Please click here if you are in the mood to vomit profusely:
http://www.newsarama.com/WWPhilly06/Marvel/Pak_Warsong.html

So Emma Frost is the Phoenix and she's planning on resurrecting all dead Cuckoos ever...lovely. What is wrong with Marvel these days? Have they gone round the bend? Also, the interview states that the idea of this 'masterpiece' is meant to answer questions posed by Grant in New X-men like what the Cuckoos are or where they came from. Good, now I’ll finally be able to sleep at night. More important question no one seems to be answering about the Morrison run:

Why, after being crippled again by Xorneto's shocking reveal, didn't Xavier just pop round Polaris' and have her pull the same trick with the metal spine bugs?

Why doesn't Xavier have access to the full spectrum of the mutant genome like Cassandra? Even if she is Weapon XXIV she's still based on his DNA.

Why hasn't Xavier slipped on his Nancy Drew beret and started investigating the White Hot Room where Jean stored his consciousness before spreading him through the masses? He should surely have figured out by now that Jean's head is...was far to flat to hold both of them.

And then nothing to do with New X-men whatsoever but instead rather with Old X-men...why is Sunfire crawling around with two bloody stumps dragging behind him and why is Banshee dead? Is Marvel trying to pull their own, honest to goodness Sue Digby?

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:38 / 07.06.06

I think you should write a letter to Marvel - one that will make Greg Pak feel bad and think really hard about his life choices.

09:31 / 07.06.06

Why, after being crippled again by Xorneto's shocking reveal, didn't Xavier just pop round Polaris' and have her pull the same trick with the metal spine bugs?

Because she was batshit crazy during the New X-Men run. Vicous and unstable in the Chuck Austin-written Uncanny, and she lacks the precise control over her powers to control nano-Sentinel technology.

Alternatively, because Xavier's always going to end up in a chair.

Why doesn't Xavier have access to the full spectrum of the mutant genome like Cassandra? Even if she is Weapon XXIV she's still based on his DNA.

Perhaps the X-Gene contains the potential to express only one power per mutant initially and the rest are dormant (until secondary mutations kick in). Cassandra apparently could artificially stimulate the gene to express multiple powers similtaneously.

With regards to the Weapon XXIV stuff, I don't think there was ever actual confirmation that dear old Cassie was a product of the Weapon Plus project. Cuckoos yes, Cassie no.

Why hasn't Xavier slipped on his Nancy Drew beret and started investigating the White Hot Room where Jean stored his consciousness before spreading him through the masses? He should surely have figured out by now that Jean's head is...was far to flat to hold both of them.

This was dealt with in the same story which introduced us to Phantomex. The White Hot Room seems to be something that can only be accessed using the Phoenix Force. Which Chuck doesn't have.

Regrettable Juvenilia

10:08 / 07.06.06

Yes, the Cassandra = part of Weapon Plus stuff was invented by someone on Barbelith, I believe, and may have had something to do with the dread colour memes.

Incidentally, what some of these questions do indicate is that Morrison's X-Men run did leave several questions hanging, and although I don't believe they're really worth losing sleep over or writing letters about, I also think there's loads of room for other writers (Whedon, Pak, etc) to put their own spin on some of the holes and questions and uncertainties from New X-Men, and be judged on the results, not the fact that they dare do it.

11:35 / 07.06.06

Why, after being crippled again by Xorneto's shocking reveal, didn't Xavier just pop round Polaris' and have her pull the same trick with the metal spine bugs?

Because if he can walk, Joss'd have to put him in spandex.

Why doesn't Xavier have access to the full spectrum of the mutant genome like Cassandra? Even if she is Weapon XXIV she's still based on his DNA.

There's some evidence that mutant powers develop (in some cases) according to environmental stresses. Perhaps they developed along different lines?

Why hasn't Xavier slipped on his Nancy Drew beret and started investigating the White Hot Room where Jean stored his consciousness before spreading him through the masses? He should surely have figured out by now that Jean's head is...was far to flat to hold both of them.

Knowing a place exists and WHERE it exists are two different things. Anyway, would you want to visit the Phoenix's house without permission?

And then nothing to do with New X-men whatsoever but instead rather with Old X-men...why is Sunfire crawling around with two bloody stumps dragging behind him and why is Banshee dead? Is Marvel trying to pull their own, honest to goodness Sue Digby?

Yes. Tho Sunfire got better, thanks to Poccy.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:53 / 07.06.06

Cassandra Nova is, we are told in only the third issue of New X-Men, the next step in mutant evolution. Hence the spectrum of abilities.

15:18 / 07.06.06

How many next steps have there been?

16:29 / 07.06.06

Isn't that how steps work? One after the other?

16:54 / 07.06.06

Well, yes. But I've seen writers go to the "Foo are to Mutants as Mutants are to Humans" plot more than once. The last time (pre NXM) was the Neo.

07:31 / 08.06.06

I think you should write a letter to Marvel - one that will make Greg Pak feel bad and think really hard about his life choices.

Laugh it up, Fly Boi...because Deadly Genesis (ooo, ominous) and Phoenix: Warsong are just the beginning. It gets worse. Marvel has recently announced that:

In September Stan Lee is writing the main feature for five brand new self-contained one-shots. Entitled Stan Lee Meets, the specials’ main stories will feature five of Stan the Man’s greatest creations – Spider-Man, The Thing, Dr. Doom, Dr. Strange, and Silver Surfer, respectively, each actually meeting their maker…literally, not figuratively.

As the titles suggest, each character actually meets Stan Lee himself, in a story written by Lee himself.

This ought to be good, oughtn't it? Why does Marvel feel the need to 'Jump The Shark' as they say on the TV? Is Marvel going through it's mid-life crisis? Will Marvel start having an affair with it's secretary next and will it buy an over-priced red sports car and start sporting an ill-suited ponytail/earring?

In the end, we all may very well be forced to write Marvel an angry letter to express our outrage when they do a 5-part miniseries in which Archie and the Punisher team-up to save Riverdale from mobsters. Oh wait, that already happened.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:48 / 08.06.06

1. Having first said that Marvel is getting too grim and gritty and attempting to copy the (admittedly baffling) success of DC's Identity Sadface, you now seem to be positioning a goofy comic about Stan Lee as somehow the next stage in a process. Does that seem logical to you, on a second glance?

2. Why is it that people who claim that [recent development X] is a new low for comics, woe onto us all the end is nigh, never tend to have much of a grip on the history/past content of those comics (a bit like pop music really)? Oh wait, you do know that there have been absurd goofy gimmicky concept comics for several decades. So why do you think it happening now means Marvel has "jumped the shark"? You can just not buy the ones that don't appeal to you, man.

12:24 / 08.06.06

Is Marvel going through it's mid-life crisis?

Wasn't everything that happened in the mid-90's a Marvel mid-life crisis then?

Clone Saga, dude! Fracking Clone Saga!

14:30 / 08.06.06

>> when they do a 5-part miniseries in which Archie and the Punisher team-up to save Riverdale from mobsters. Oh wait, that already happened.

And it was GLORIOUS!!! Although it was just a one-shot, not a 5-parter of course. This comic, "Archie Meets The Punisher," though it by all accounts should not have worked, somehow worked and was very very amusing. It also has the distinction of being the only comic ever given to me by a fellow Barbelither.

Seriously, it's actually funny and fun.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

14:36 / 08.06.06

Yup, that Stan Lee thing is sure to be total suck, just like Animal Man #26.

17:22 / 08.06.06

I'm actually looking forward to the Stan Lee stuff - should be silly, goofy, funny-book fun. The creators attached are good enough, and I'm sure Stan can craft some lightweight amusing stuff here (even though his 'real' writing chops have long since left him, as evinced by his Spidey or DD one-shots/other various small jobs writing for Marvel in the past 10 years, plus JUST IMAGINE...STAN LEE CREATES... THE DCU).

18:39 / 08.06.06

What is Mystique up to these days? I haven't read anything with her in it since before GM's New X-Men. Was she depowered on M-Day and while I'm asking about her, is her on-going title worth picking up in trade form? I read some good things about it, but I'm still a little hesitant to pick it up.

18:59 / 08.06.06

She played "hot female secret agent" in her own title for a while. Last I'd heard she was going to join the X-Men in the Adjectiveless title.

05:58 / 09.06.06

1. Having first said that Marvel is getting too grim and gritty and attempting to copy the (admittedly baffling) success of DC's Identity Sad face, you now seem to be positioning a goofy comic about Stan Lee as somehow the next stage in a process. Does that seem logical to you, on a second glance?

I was just questioning their erratic behavior. Sorry, I should be more logical, if I have one flaw it is my total lack of logicalness.

Oh wait, you do know that there have been absurd goofy gimmicky concept comics for several decades. So why do you think it happening now means Marvel has "jumped the shark"? You can just not buy the ones that don't appeal to you, man.

Hey, daddy-o...I was thinkin' they seem to be getting desperate these days, man...tryin' ta keep up with the squares over at Detective Comics.

And it was GLORIOUS!!! Although it was just a one-shot, not a 5-parter of course. This comic, "Archie Meets The Punisher," though it by all accounts should not have worked, somehow worked and was very amusing.

Hence...

What is Mystique up to these days? I haven't read anything with her in it since before GM's New X-Men.

She seems to be in a relationship with Iceman for some or other reason but I wouldn't know since I don't actually read Marvel comics anymore I just complain about them incessantly.

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:09 / 09.06.06

Mystique showed up during Peter Milligan's X-Men run, tried to seduce Gambit away from Rogue (not 'cos she fancies the douche, but 'cos he's not good enough for her daughter*), and asked to join the X-Men - the vote went in her favour, but then Nightcrawler privately asked her to skip town for a bit because he really, really doesn't like to be reminded of the backstory Chuck Austen gave him. She showed up again just before Apocalypse attacked, bringing with her Augustus/Pulse, who she'd picked out to be Rogue's new boyfriend (creepily, but it would appear successfully). Milligan has one issue left to tie up a lot of loose plot threads, but Mike Carey has confirmed that Mystique will be on his team once he takes over, and the preview cover for his second issue shows her and Iceman locking face.

18:27 / 09.06.06

Mystique showed up during Peter Milligan's X-Men run, tried to seduce Gambit away from Rogue (not 'cos she fancies the douche, but 'cos he's not good enough for her daughter*),

Oh yeah, she was Foxx, wasn't she? I started reading Milligan's run shortly after that, having stopped reading after GM's run. Just after flicking through the Blood of 'poccy issues again and lo and behold , there she is. Can't believe I didn't remember that.

Mystique on an X-Team should be quite interesting, I remember when she was in X-Factor years ago with Sabretooth and there was a pretty interesting dynamic there. Hopefully it will be expanded upon in the upcoming Carey X-Men.

21:28 / 09.06.06

appareintly Carey has a plan for including Sabertooth in his X-men run as well.

20:29 / 10.06.06

Well, they do have a bit of history together (assuming the stuff about Graydon Creed being their son is still accuate).

02:04 / 11.06.06

Alright, I was just on Marvel.com, and in the flashing banner advertisements were advertisements for two of the old Superman DVD sets: One for the old-school show, and another for Lois And Clark.

Like...What the hell is that about?

(I thought that this thread was the an appropriate place to put this question, because I didn't feel that it deserved it's own thread).

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