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21:38 / 26.03.06

Some prison 'toughs'; it's unclear who hired them to do so - Kingpin was having a big laugh about Matt's misery at the end of the previous ish, but he was locked in solitary and visited by Foggy because of a scrap Hammerhead set up.

01:13 / 27.03.06

I don't think there's much chance that Foggy's death is a fake-out (if that's what you meant by 'who killed (or didn't) Foggy)...but Joe Q. did say something in an interview on Newsarama where he said "Well, IS Foggy really dead?" But he was probably just messing with readers at that point...

03:33 / 27.03.06

Maybe Foggy can show up in the Deadgirl/Strange mini?
Is that still running?
Actually,if Milligan just had all the dead characters from Marvel just walk back to Earth, fully alive and functional again, how cool and interesting and likely to be retconned as Scarlet-Witchery would that be?

10:40 / 27.03.06

The hard part is finding enough Marvel characters who've STAYED dead.

14:08 / 27.03.06

not read this yet, and haven't been able to follow bendy's run because of the 'okay, everybody hold still' artwork and the incredibly, incredibly realistic dialogue. (i find bendy's dialogue very offputting, because i keep getting the uncanny sensation that luke cage is actually in the room with me, or perhaps somewhere else but talking to me on the other end of the phone)

BUT i'm a big fan of the last ish and definitely have DD on my list for the weekend - yeah it's a funny one a street-level type like foggy getting the big kill - seems like a weird thing for a)a writer to choose to do and b) the eds to let the writer do. thirty chubby years of gentle backgroundery and moral compassism killed off with a flick of the 'shank' because we're having six issues that are a bit like oz? that's a bit of a waste of all that went before, just in the name of Life Changing Shocka! isn't it?

so i'm glad there are already lots of 'not dead' rumours, but that foggy stays in hospital long enough that murcock gets to defend himself in court (do they do that in the US? pretty sure they do). be good if he could get a few good beats in on kingpin whle they're being nextdoor neighbours also.

14:30 / 27.03.06

Could be worse: Foggy could've bought it in some other book, his funeral preparation moved to a third title (and accompanying miniseries), before winding up marrying the Black Panther in a supersurpriseshockshockbigstory!

19:37 / 31.03.06

Can someone give me an update on the current wherebouts of Justice and Firestar? I saw on their wikipedia articles that they're in the 198...are they currently at the Mansion? When did they leave the Avengers and under what circumstances? What was their most recent appearance? Thank you kindly.

23:23 / 31.03.06

They left at the end of Busiek's run, and tended to show up in cameos with the other New Warriors. Their last appearance was in one of those Marvel Romance specials, where they put the wedding on hold.

Mysterious Transfer Student

13:06 / 22.04.06

I have a very general enquiry: I want to know more about The Nth Man. It sounds freaky as hell, but is tracking down back issues on eBay going to be worth the time and effort?

13:35 / 22.04.06

Well, I have not read it myself, but it IS early Larry Hama, writing what he does best (Ninjas!)

I'd put it in the "probably readable" category.

16:28 / 22.04.06

Spoilers...

I don't know how far to do this....

Anyhow, there's a kid who is Galactus for all counts, who steps on plastic green toy soldiers and thereby clocks to the US armed forces.

There's a stodgy white-haired military guy, who whistles, a knows all sorts of stereotypical asian mysticky stuff to hurt people.

There's guns and explosions.

And it's all very meta and self-aware/self-reflexive/autocrit. With guns and explosions.

If that's for you, then there you go. If not, then, turn away, there's probably nothing there for you.

Bear in mind, I like Hama and find his run on 'Generation X' the only really enjoyable part of that series. My yay or nay is pretty suspect.

Mysterious Transfer Student

17:17 / 22.04.06

Thanks, Decrescent. I'm buying a grab-bag of issues on eBay shortly, so in a week or so I'll discover if really is a lost classic.

10:00 / 23.04.06

I love the New Avengers! I love it to an unhealthy degree,it's one of the highlights of my month, but....

There is NO continuity. Im not a big continuity geek, i just can't make it work in my head as a story.

In the latest issue of NA, Spiderman says: "we've only been together two weeks".
Two weeks!!
In the last two weeks Spiderman has:
Broken his arm
DIED
Had a battle with hydra.
Had and lost a super skrull side kick.
Been involved in the house of M.
Made guest appearances in the Young avengers.
Had an argument with Quicksilver
Helped out Beta Ray Bill.
Had a fight with Deadpool
While doing all the New Avengers stuff.
IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem is marvel writers over use the NA and it just becomes farcical.

Im not even going to start with The Sentry and Ronin problems...

10:13 / 23.04.06

In the latest issue of NA, Spiderman says: "we've only been together two weeks".
Two weeks!!
It's like when I tell people I've been waiting for a million years. I'm just being whiny petey parker.

10:15 / 23.04.06

Im not even going to start with The Sentry and Ronin problems
I don't know Ronin, but Sentry's backstory lends itself to all kinds of no prize corrections for any problem you could think up.

06:52 / 24.04.06

i haven't read any Black Panther since the 70s / early 80s when he was an Avenger, does he still use the 'Panther Herb' to boost his powers? has anyone done anything interesting with him politically given his kick ass name? knowing what i do now about the 60s polical lanscape i think it was an audacious name & concept for a character, brilliant really, protecting the resources of his homelenad from neo colonial exploitation and all that.

11:17 / 24.04.06

OK. First some basic history.

The character Black Panther predates the political movement, although not by much. The character first appeared in July of 1966, while the Party was formed in October of that year. There was no political component to the name at that time.

That being said, when the Party gained prominence, Roy Thomas decided to dodge any bullets by having the character use the name "Black Leopard", but it didn't really take, and was ignored shortly thereafter.

Now, as for the herb, that's a tricky question. Priest used it (and revealed that only members of T'Challa's family could use it without severe aftereffects) but with Reginald Hudlin merrily stampeding his way through continuity, whether that applies to the current version remains to be seen.

14:29 / 24.04.06

thanks Mario
so did the Black Panther party take their name from a superhero character? Huey Newton never mentioned that in his autobiography. Are any post 70s black panther comics worth picking up and did anyone ever do anything really interesting with him?

16:15 / 24.04.06

Hey Beck. The following I got from a Black Panthers seaerch on the wiki.
The most authoritative version is that it came through Stokely Carmichael, then of SNCC and unaware of Newton and Seale's group. At the time of the Black Panther Party's formation in Oakland, Carmichael had been organizing a voter registration drive in the African American community of Lowndes County, Alabama. Following the success of the Mississippi Freedom Party, the organizers worked to create the Lowndes County Freedom Organization as an independent party.

Alabama law required the party to have a visual emblem for illiterate voters. The party chose a black panther, mascot of Clark College in Atlanta. The Lowndes County Freedom Organization became the Black Panther party, and soon there were groups named "Black Panthers" sprouting up around the nation. Many were unconnected with the SNCC, and the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense was not officially connected to any of the other parties or to SNCC.

According to David Hilliard, Bobby Seale learned of the Lowndes County Black Panther Party, in October 1966 through a mailing from a Mississippi black freedom group. After showing it to Newton, the two agreed that the symbol was right for their own as-yet-unnamed group.

16:42 / 24.04.06

Are any post 70s black panther comics worth picking up and did anyone ever do anything really interesting with him?

The Priest run had a lot of critical acclaim. He put a political spin on the character and turned him into a super badass extraordinare, capable of beating anyone, anytime. His take was interesting but whether or not you'll like it, I don't know.

Personally, I prefer the older version of the Black Panter where he was just a guy in a suit silently kicking ass, a la Daredevil.

16:47 / 24.04.06

Was Priest's the run where Black Panther's American liason made a deal with the Devil to never run out of pants? That was hilarious. Funny run.

16:52 / 24.04.06

Priest's Black Panther was pure gold for about the first 40 issues or so. (The first 12 or so issues are collected in two likely-out-of-print paperbacks...I really wish Marvel would collect them all and put the out-of-print stuff back in print, but that seems unlikely as these days, they seem to want to emphasize Reggie Hudlin's run and not really pay much attention to Priest's landmark run.) Around issue 45 the book started getting weak and issue 50 and forward had a very lame plotline involving some street-thug type guy becoming the new Black Panther. Or something like that.

17:17 / 24.04.06

I thought Hudlin started well on Black Panther, but the whole House of M thing seemed to de-rail it somewhat. He did a recent arc where Luke Cage got to hero worship BP a bit before they teamed up with Blade and Brother Voodoo to kick some arse. Hudlin's flirted with the political side, but nothing ground breaking.

17:44 / 24.04.06

I enjoyed all of Priest's 'Black Panther', from issue one through the end. Big loud explosions to disguise the subtler bits almost always works for me. And it was fun to see the uber fanboys squirm over things like 'Why are Iron Man and BP fighting and how can Panther get the upper hand?'

And, while there's no confirmation anywhere of the Party taking their name from the comic character, people who were around have confirmed that Newton, at least, read comics at the time. And, as part of a list of collaborators (that turned out to be entirely bull) given (ostensibly) by Huey P. Newton to police, Tchalla was listed. Which is lovely, really. Morrisonian, even.

Can't be bothered at all with the current series. Hudlin just isn't hitting any marks for me, and I don't even care about external continuity. It's stuff like 'no invasions ever on this coastal region' that kills it.

06:40 / 26.04.06

Just to keep things unbias here's a lil' Marvel luv similar to that expressed to DC on this thread:
DC golden age goldenshowers and more

Luckily Marvel was never as flatout insane as golden age DC but they also had their moments.

Odd. One would have thought a comic marketed towards kids with the title Giant-sized Man-thing would have been more popular.

Yes, that's right. Examine the pool of spunk oozing from under your teenage ward's door with your index finger. Stupid.

Owey!

Dark side of the Moonfrog1

07:53 / 26.04.06

My personal favourite...

14:11 / 26.04.06

um, what were they actually meaning with 'butt-stroked' in that one panel? I guess maybe just getting his ass kicked/beat up...?

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

14:21 / 26.04.06

But stroked is like pistol whipped, but with a rifle/shotgun. The end of a rifle/shotgun you put to your shoulder is called the butt.

14:23 / 26.04.06

I believe it's getting hit with the butt of a gun on your skull. Similar to being cold-cocked, except that a gun is used. Technically, you could cold-cock someone with a butt-stroke.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

14:11 / 08.05.06

I just read Civil War #1 and was wondering when Rachel Summers came back, and when she started calling herself Marvel Girl.

IS this just Marvel writers rehashing stuff from the 80s again? Did Cyclops freak out that she was calling herself MG the way he did when she started calling herself Phoenix back in the day? Is she still all Pheonixy, and if not, where did the TK powers come from?

That last I remember Rachels power was to time jump or something, and she left the 616 to go back to the Days of Future Rehashed to save Captain Britain.

14:23 / 08.05.06

She came back in Claremont's "X-treme X-Men" a couple years ago, and spent some quality time in character limbo before officially rejoining the X-Men (under the name Marvel Girl), in Uncanny #444.

She's not nearly as Phoenixy as she used to be (save for a minor power signature) but still has her native TP/TK skills. She also changed her last name to Grey (probably because she's pissed off at Scott & Emma) and recently received an(other) unpleasant tattoo.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

14:28 / 08.05.06

wow. that is kind of crap, as is her outfit.

17:18 / 08.05.06

Supposedly she's a different Racheal... Daughter of Jean but not scott ... hence the Racheal Grey rather than Racheal summers.

17:20 / 08.05.06

Where'd you read that?

23:09 / 08.05.06

hmmm... it was either a claremont interview or in a thought bubble in one of the issues I bothered to pick up.

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