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20:08 / 27.01.06

Do the monster comics count?

02:29 / 28.01.06

As early as Captain America number the first, innocent non-superfolk have been getting offed. Comicbook Nazis killed that scientist, right away, and comicbook Nazis are definitely supervillains, 'cause they weren't even trying to write them as human beings or as morally ambiguous at that point.
Namor killed a far number of innocent type bystanders, surely.
Don't believe that bit a few years ago about how Hulk never killed anyone by accident until Bruce Jones wrote it; doesn't make any sense.
I'm pretty sure Vicky von Doom killed some random flunkies fairly early in FF, possible while still a Lee/Kirby book.
Marvel horror comics probably had a lot more death of that sort than anywhere else. I'm sure Dracula was biting people from the beginning of 'Tomb of...' and who knows who else.

05:48 / 31.01.06

Who is the Animal Man look-alike to Magnetos right (your left)? I figure that's Ms. Marvel in the whore boots but what would ol' Buddy Baker be doing on an X-cover of an X-Book.

Did that red-and-yellow, buggy woman who was with Nefaria and his animal men ever amount to anything after escaping in Uncanny issue, oh, #107 or thereabouts?

Sssshe faded into obsssscurity, fortunately.

Okay, I've been trying to read Peter David’s new X-Factor. The writings cute and the art is lovely but there's one thing that makes my head's innards go a little lopsided. That being the age difference between Maddox and Siryn. When Jaime was introduced he was in his early 20's...this is roughly the same time when he shacked up with Banshee (and Moira Mactaggert) on Muir Island after the Proteus Saga…um, Dilemma. Siryn was'ne ean boorne aut thus poont (as far as i now at least). Now in the new series she is portrayed as a feisty Irish stereotype in her 30's while he has magically been trapped in the limbo that is his 20's for the past 30 years. Did I miss something along the way...perhaps a body-switching time-traveler or a plotline in which it is explained that he de-ages, just a little bit, each time he reabsorbs a dupe? When is Marvel planning on fixing this wonky continuity. I'm tired of having a 59 year old Cyclops running around with the taut bee-hind of a 20 year old.

06:31 / 31.01.06

That's not Animal Man and Ms Marvel. It's Fenris! The evil Von Strucker kids!

09:46 / 31.01.06

there are not many men who can look cool in pixie boots, and he's not one of them, looks like a duran duran tribute band,

does anyone know aht galactus is doing these days? is he still devouring worlds or did he find a cure for his hunger? i can only remember the torch beating him with some ultimate weapon once but has he ever manaced earth again? he is definitiely the best designed character in the whole MU imo, that helmet, those boots and kirkby squiggles.....

12:25 / 31.01.06

The modern status of Fenris:

The brother is the new Swordsman in Thunderbolts, while the sister is... well... leather goods.

04:25 / 01.02.06

Fenris! Yeah, the white-power, neo-nazi version of Northstar and Aurora. They have to hold hands to get their powers to work, if I remember correctly.

I honestly thought that was Mizz Marvel right there because of the lightning bolt motive she's sporting on her chest area.

13:54 / 01.02.06

When Jaime was introduced he was in his early 20's...this is roughly the same time when he shacked up with Banshee (and Moira Mactaggert) on Muir Island after the Proteus Saga…um, Dilemma. Siryn was'ne ean boorne aut thus poont (as far as i now at least)

Siryn was definitely born at this point, she just hadn't been introduced yet. Banshee didn't know she existed until she was introduced in UXM #148, fully grown -- he'd been away with Interpol during his wife's pregnancy and didn't know she'd given birth before being murdered. Siryn and Jamie should be roughly the same age, actually; she might be just a couple years younger than him.

And yes, I had to look up the specifics, I'm not quite *that* nuts.

16:34 / 01.02.06

The Multiple Man has always been, well, young for his age.

"Hey, man, join the X-Men and help fight injustice and Alien-rip-offs!"
"Thanks and all, but, uh, I'll stay here at Moira's lab and... I dunno, sweep the floors or test-drink the coffee or something."

Whereas Siryn, her dad's ex-Interpol, ex-X-Man, ex-Joe-Casey-writ-Nazi-of-the-future... and she just kinda goes around cleaning up after him and trying to establish a good name, while making googly eyes at Deadpool. Kinda like Black Tom, except replacing Juggernaut for Deadpool.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

22:07 / 01.02.06

Many years ago I found a TPB in a "Everything $1" store, called Captain Briton. I was a wee lad and picked it up, thinking (even at that young age) "It's like Captain America without the jingoism!"

Ok, thats a lie. I bought it because it was a lot of comic book for a buck.

The book was one of the first "grown up" comics I ever read. Cap meets an Elf, goes to alternate dimensions, meets sexy sexy ladies who rule as dictators, fights some interdimensional bounty hunters, and then his sister gets her eyes ripped out while she is wearing one of his uniforms and trying to save the day.

Pretty hard core when I was a kid, but brings up some questions.

What happened to the elf girl?
What happened to the bounty hunters (big round purple woman and a little dude that rode on her back, and some others)

Also, after Betsy got asian-ized (She turned Japanese, I really think so...) at some point didnt she find out her eyes were Mojo cameras so she tore them out? Or was this the Betsy original body with the ninja inside it?

Murray Hamhandler

23:31 / 01.02.06

The second Captain Britain TPB (as written by Alan Moore) and Excalibur (the first 70 or so issues) will answer most of your questions, Elijah.

rabideyemovement

23:41 / 01.02.06

The Mojocasts stopped when Roma cast a spell that made all the X-Men invisible, undetectable, and unrecordable by any means, whether living or mechanical. The Seige Peilous should have restored her eyes, but didn't Claremont have Mojo peeping through her eyes last year in Uncanny?
I could be wrong.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

00:35 / 02.02.06

I could swear I saw an issue where she was on a cliff, and left her mechanical eyes behind.

I have been meaning to pick up excalibur for years, maybe nows the time.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

00:37 / 02.02.06

Also, I just found the trade, the guy who takes Betsy's eyes is really called Slaymaster? Mwa ha ha.

02:23 / 02.02.06

This is what happens when Spiral and the Hand get together to fuck with an unconscious and amnesiac X-Man. They switch minds between her and a comatose Japanese assassin, work some magic to synchonise certain genetic traits, and hire one out to the Mandarin. After a hundred or so issues of oh ok Japaninja Psylocke, throw in the O.G. body with the assassin's mind and huge identity issues. And the Hammer of Angst doesn't really fall until you realize that the O.G. body, only slightly less hot than the Asian one, has mutant AIDS. So have the old body with the new mind walk off into the woods to die, after telling her that, in addition to having a dying body with lesions and tumors, your eyes happen to be mechanical and are wired to a planetwide cable network. So she plucks them out, like it ain't no thing. Then it's seppuku by sunset.

08:13 / 02.02.06

Now that's hypercompression.

13:31 / 02.02.06

Okay, I've got one for you all.

More 90's insanity. This time we're in the "dark" world of the Midnight Sons. Ghostrider, Blaze, Morbius, and the Nightstalkers.

How did that all end up? Was Ghostie actually Zarathos? What happened to Lilith and co? Is the Darkhold spell that destroyed all vampires in the 616 still active (I have vague memories of Dracula, Varnae, and co making a comeback)?

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

13:44 / 02.02.06

Didn't J Blaze come back and kick the crap out of Zarathos?

14:06 / 02.02.06

Is the Darkhold spell that destroyed all vampires in the 616 still active

This could be more a simple continuity glitch than anything else (I've never heard of this Darkhold thing, wouldn't be surprised if a lot of editors haven't either), but there was a vampire in the first volume of RUNAWAYS. So I guess not.

rabideyemovement

14:52 / 02.02.06

Yes, Ghost Rider was the human host for Zarathos. Though I'm not sure this latest one is John Blaze. The Darkhold pages are never mentioned anymore. The vampires did survive, and the last Blade miniseries I read had Dracula as the current source for the newer vampires. But that was surely made to tie into Blade Trinity.
The Atlantean origin is rarely spoken of. Maybe some of this will return. I hear there's gonna be a Tomb of Dracula vs. Apocalypse series coming.

15:05 / 02.02.06

How did that all end up? Was Ghostie actually Zarathos? What happened to Lilith and co? Is the Darkhold spell that destroyed all vampires in the 616 still active (I have vague memories of Dracula, Varnae, and co making a comeback)?

OK... the second Ghost Rider was revealed to be the mystically-empowered soul of Noble Kale, an ancestor of Blaze & Ketch. But then, Howard Mackie decided to retcon it in an issue of Spider-man, so nobody knows who he is.

Meanwhile, Johnny Blaze was re-possessed by Zarathos, & lost most of his personality, along with his family, thanks to Devin Grayson. Then, Garth Ennis decided to ignore all of it for his Max series.

As for the Montesi Formula, this page explains it all:

http://www.neilalien.com/doc/questions/#vampires

07:26 / 03.02.06

The muthafreaking Montessi Formula! That's what it was called! Cheers my little surgeons!

13:30 / 03.02.06

All part of the service.

11:09 / 07.02.06

What happened to Lilith and co?

Where does Mirriam, Queen of all Vampires figure into this? And what's her connection to Lilith, Queen of all Vampires?

13:16 / 07.02.06

There have been two Liliths in Marvel horror comics. The first was Lilith, Daughter of Dracula, who died when the Montesi formula was read, and came back when he did. She's appeared in various comics since.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/lilithdod.htm

The other, queen of the Lilin, was all tangled up with Mackie's Ghost Rider mythology, and was last seen in the Witches miniseries.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/lilth1.htm

Both are basically in Limbo at the moment.

Uatu.is.watching

14:49 / 07.02.06

Well, Lilith, Daughter of Dracula, is currently appearing in Nick Fury's Howling Commandos, but I think that book's already been canned, so back to limbo it is...

19:55 / 07.02.06

Wait... wasn't the DoD Lilith simply an incarnation or aspect of the true uber-Lilith from all that Midnight Sons stuff where she went around with drooling hunchbacks and svelt knife-handed boys named Bodybag and Kadaver and such?
And, did Hannibal King ever have any stories in comics prior to being a vampire? I know, it's sort of like asking if Blade was always completely nuts (the answer is sorta 'yes, but see, that was how everybody was in comics that year, so it's just that other folks grew up a little over the decades.'), but it seems like there was something, possibly in one of Marvel's black and white mags, maybe even connected with Satana, where everybody's favorite whiny vampire PI was non-vampirey.

20:41 / 07.02.06

As far as I know, no, but apparently a later story suggested she was named after the Lilin matriarch.

05:09 / 08.02.06

Yes, yes. But what about Miriam who likes to be called Queen of All Vampires. All I remember about her is that she looked like a black Dawn of the Dead extra (original DotD, mind) and that she had a Grace Jones flat-top. One time Blade and Morbius, the Living Vampire teamed up to take her down. What's her place in the whole Tomb of Dracula/demons-stalk-by-night sub-genre? Was she like the first vampire or something?

11:03 / 08.02.06

I don't have any reference for her in the comics, but she appeared on the Spider-Man cartoon once (she was Blade's mom), and was probably named after a character in THE HUNGER. I don't think she counts as more than a wannabe.

12:41 / 08.02.06

Sounds more like an Anne Rice riff—Queen of the Damned and all that. Whenabouts was all this?

13:32 / 08.02.06

Well, THE HUNGER came out in 1980 (it's the movie with David Bowie), and that Spider-man episode came out in... 1997.

(Random trivia: Miriam was voiced by Nichelle "Uhura" Nichols)

A quick googling indicates that there WAS a character named Miriam in Queen of the Damned, but she wasn't a vampire.

07:08 / 09.02.06

Thanks mario! That's exactly where I remember her from, come to think about it...the Spider-man cartoon I mean.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

21:13 / 10.02.06

Cats Laughing.

I am reading Excalibur for the first time, and they popped up in the 4th or 5th issue (with Arcade).

I know they were a band, and that for some reason they were linked with the X books.

Who were they and what ever happened to them?

23:32 / 10.02.06

They were/are a real group, composed of Emma Bull, Steven Brust, Adam
Stemple, Lojo Russo, and Bill Colsher. You may recognize two of those names as fantasy authors. I believe Claremont knew them through Will Shetterly (Emma's SO)

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