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Marvel Mythology Surgery

 
  

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Spyder Todd 2008
02:59 / 26.06.06
Because George's books made more money than his when running at the same time?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:28 / 26.06.06
Because he had Paty Cockrum screaming in his ear?
 
 
Mario
10:51 / 26.06.06
Possibly, because Quesada and/or Jemas were seriously pissed at Grant for jumping ship to DC.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:23 / 26.06.06
I doubt that's the primary reason. The primary reason was probably that Marvel were at that point happy to reinvest in Claremont, giving him three titles as part of the post-Morrison relaunch. They also, as Morrison himself has acknowledge, needed to bring Magneto back somehow, at some point. So when Claremont wanted to bring back his more 'heroic' Magneto in the very first issue of Excalibur (the Genosha series), and say that the Planet X guy was an imposter, they let him.

The annoying thing is that I was under the impression that the one good thing to come out of House Of M was the implication that Xorneto was Magneto, but that Wanda Maximoff had not only brought him back but also probably made all that mad Austen-Xorn bollocks happen, in an attempt to clear her father's name. That was as good an explanation as we were going to get, even if I did make Xavier look very silly. I suspect that the blame for the latest, less elegant iteration is partly to be placed on those fans who've been clamouring for a further detailed explanation of "what really happened"...
 
 
Mario
14:45 / 26.06.06
Actually, that's the weird bit. I haven't heard a lot of people wanting to know more about Xorn. Some grousing at Austen, but that's about it. I think most x-fans were content to just let him slip into limbo.
 
 
Blake Head
11:40 / 27.06.06
I’ve been reading Jonathan Lethem’s Men and Cartoons. In one of the stories he mentions a Marvel character called Black Bolt, defined by the idea that the full power of his voice is too awesome to ever be used. It’s an interesting idea, though I imaganine it's explained away a lot. So, I’ve looked around, I can’t find much on the actual consequences of such a power in the MU - is anyone here better informed? Is the description of a power of this magnitude an example of artistic license, or accurate? Why isn’t he better known / more relevant?

Who is Black Bolt? What’s he up to now?
 
 
doctorbeck
12:36 / 27.06.06
the silent and enigmatic king of the inhumans, with those lovely kirkby sqiggles and square hands, married i believe to medusa and yes, a crazy power. i think he was shown destroying the inhumans home in the hymalayas in ultimate FF with a word in the annual but i can't remember ever seeing him use it in the regular MU, just flying around being all hard and unknowable
 
 
Mario
12:53 / 27.06.06
Blackagar Boltagon. He's done quite a bit over the years, but his latest power showing was in Son of M.

Setup: Quicksilver stole sacred mists from the Inhumans to recreate his lost powers. Eventually, he is defeated, but the US Government confiscates the mists.

This is the result
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:13 / 27.06.06
So, I’ve looked around, I can’t find much on the actual consequences of such a power in the MU - is anyone here better informed?

He's used it on occasion, normally just the barest whisper which tends to be an area effect blast. I have a hazy memory of him whispering a word into a focusing weapon so Mr Fantastic could zap Doom when he'd stolen The Watcher's cosmic powers.

There's also an impressive moment in Earth X where Black Bolt takes on four or five Celestials.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:15 / 27.06.06
You kids today. No sense of history.

Black Bolt (real name: Blackagar Boltagon—oh, Jack Fucking Kirby) was the reigning king of the Inhumans, an evolutionary offshoot of humanity who were the result of genetic tampering by the Kree a bazillion years ago. This unique tribe seueestred themselves in a hidden city (Attilan by name) first on an island, then in the Himalayas.

A thousand years ago, an Inhuman scientist discovered a substance (Terrigen) that could trigger radical mutations, thereby (he theorized) speeding up the overall evolutionary process of the species by bestowing the end result of thousands of generations of gradual mutation onto a single individual, instantly. Inhumans were allowed to expose themselves to terrigen on a voluntary basis. As you can imagine, some of the results weren't pretty.

Back to Black Bolt. His parents were scientists, and purposely exposed him to terrigen in utero (so much for "a voluntary basis"), so he ended up with soopa powahs: in fact, he ended up a little too powerful for his own good. Aside from that destructive voice of his, he absorbs "free-floating electrons" and emits destructive zaps—again on an involuntary basis: his special gimp suit is specially-designed to damp down his energy powers and help him control them (the antenna on his forehead is part of his suit).

On the plus side, he can fly on his cool armpit glider membranes.

The Inhumans were introduced in the mid-60s FANTASTIC FOUR, and had their own series in the 1970s (with george Perez art!) and later in the 90s. In the 60s and 70s, anyway, there would always be these dramatic build-ups where Black Bolt would be forced to speak—to knock an alien spaceship out of the sky, or to destroy a rampaging robot, or once, memorably, when tortured beyond endurance by the sight of his beloved people being herded into a slave-spaceship—and of course he would, and the walls of jericho would come a-tumblin' down. It seemed like every time the city of Attilan appeared it was being rebuilt (rather like the X-Mansion) after some disastrous royal-voice-related incident. You've got to wonder about the citizens of Attilan: are they gluttons for punishment, or are they just really hard-up for a king?

So, to sum up: Can't talk or get naked without causing unbridled destruction (little wonder that the boy has intimacy issues); is "king" of a principality of about 1,200 citizens, with no trade, no growth, no foreign relations, and no meaningful economic system; subjects are a bunch of eugenics-obsessed superpowered high-tech hillbillies; racial gene pool, never particularly deep, is continually shrinking (Medusa is Black Bolt's cousin as well as his wife). Plus the city of Attilan is constantly getting destroyed, relocated (after the Himalayas, it was on the Moon for a while: now it's on an island again, I think), or shut behind an energy barrier; he's got an insane brother who's always plotting to usurp him; and he can't even sing in the shower without bringing the fucking roof down.

So yeah, it kinda sucks to be Black Bolt.
 
 
The Falcon
13:23 / 27.06.06
Yeah, pretty much. Good question, Blakester - as for seeing his powers in use, the aforementioned scrap with the Celestials which I had foolishly thought he might win in Earth X (#7?) and an issue of the 'Heroes Reborn' FF (#4?) are the only occasions I've seen the voice in use. There was a tiny speech bubble in the latter, and then loads of destruction. The first issue of the fairly recent (1999) Jenkins/Jae Lee Inhumans maxiseries focusses on him, too, and looks lovely. He's definitely one of my favourite two or three Marvel characters.
 
 
Aertho
13:33 / 27.06.06
So, to sum up: Can't talk or get naked without causing unbridled destruction (little wonder that the boy has intimacy issues); is "king" of a principality of about 1,200 citizens, with no trade, no growth, no foreign relations, and no meaningful economic system; subjects are a bunch of eugenics-obsessed superpowered high-tech hillbillies; racial gene pool, never particularly deep, is continually shrinking (Medusa is Black Bolt's cousin as well as his wife). Plus the city of Attilan is constantly getting destroyed, relocated (after the Himalayas, it was on the Moon for a while: now it's on an island again, I think), or shut behind an energy barrier; he's got an insane brother who's always plotting to usurp him; and he can't even sing in the shower without bringing the fucking roof down.

All-Star/America's Best Comics version of the Inhumans? (Squidbillies x Incredibles) / (Greek Pantheon - magic)

Brilliant.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:24 / 27.06.06
Also, didn't Black Bolt kill Apocalypse recently?
 
 
This Sunday
18:28 / 27.06.06
The Jenkins/Lee miniseries was the first time somebody had any clue what to do with the 616 Inhumans, since Medusa had a kid in the eighties.

More recently, they were just in the 'Son of M' mini,and a little while ago, they guested in the mid-twenties (?) issues of the Marvel Kights FF series, '4'.

Both build on their creepy inhumanity and scary repressive culture.
 
 
Mario
22:00 / 27.06.06
Also, didn't Black Bolt kill Apocalypse recently?

Yes, in the House of M reality.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
22:50 / 27.06.06
Mario, that single panel from Son of M almost makes me want to buy the whole series outright. Is it any good?
 
 
Mario
23:25 / 27.06.06
I didn't read it. That's actually one of the few pages I've seen from it.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
03:55 / 28.06.06
The art on Son of M is very nice and quire unusual the whole way through. I really enjoyed the first half of the story as well, althought I wasn't so keen on the end, especially as I don't think I like how it left Pietro at the end. There's a reasonably priced trade due out at the end of August and my advice would be to wait for that. Still on the other hand the series is probably going to feed into the next issue of X-Factor, so if you are reading that it might be worth getting the series before then. All in all the series isn't brilliant or anything, but it's an enjoyable read with some great moments, but which doesn't necessarily quite suceed at living up to the sum of it's parts - I myself ended up buying the whole thing after seeing a great scene from issue three online.
 
 
rabideyemovement
19:35 / 02.07.06
Was the Super Soldier Serum just a flask Steve Rogers drank? If you could transfuse most of the blood out of Captain America's body, would he retain his powers?
 
 
This Sunday
19:59 / 02.07.06
If you cycle out all his blood, he goes relatively normal. At the very beginning of the original Waid/Garney run, Cappy Americana believed this to have occurred, as he recieved a full transfusion to save him from the serum, which had corrupted and was killing him. He felt very weak and got beat up by some random henchmen. Sharon Carter made fun of him. Then he found out... spoilers.









The spoiler being: the blood was from the Red Skull, who was in a cloned Captain America body, and had the serum coursing in his veins, too. Thus, did the Captain retain his marvelous physique and patriotic powers, and his drugstream was kept clean of horrible human (pure) blood.
 
 
Mario
21:20 / 02.07.06
That actually happened once (in the Streets of Poison arc) His body eventually regenerated the Serum.
 
 
rabideyemovement
23:25 / 02.07.06
What about Nick Fury? Does he still use the Infinity Formula? I can't remember that even being mentioned in the past fifteen years. I recall a couple of times when he grew really old in a few minutes because he ran out of serum. Is there an origin to the serum?
 
 
Mario
23:38 / 02.07.06
Yeah, basically he was injured in France near the end of WW2, and a scientist who treated him used him as a guinea pig, and later as a blackmail victim.

Odds are, what with sliding timescales and all, it'll never get referenced again.
 
 
rabideyemovement
00:51 / 03.07.06
Well, Ennis is writing his adventures in WWII right now. I wonder if they'll get around to mentioning the formula before that story is over.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:54 / 12.07.06
What's the deal with the new Moon Knight series? A patch on the classic Moench/Sienkiewicz years?
 
 
Mario
19:02 / 12.07.06
I can't compare it to the original series (since I've never read it) but the basic plot seems to be your standard "disassembly" story.

(I used to call it a "deconstruction" plot, until people started quoting Derrida at me )

Basically, it's MK's "Born Again".
 
 
the credible hulk
20:38 / 12.07.06
Speaking of Nick Fury... What the hell is going on with him right now? Did I miss something? Last I saw, he went into exile after the most recent Secret War That's why Shield has a new honcho, right?

So why does he seem to be running things in so many recent comics I've been reading? (The beginning of the Planet Hulk storyline, last month's Iron Man #09)

Is this just a "these stories take place pre-secret war thing", or did I miss the return of Fury?
 
 
Mario
20:51 / 12.07.06
It's an LMD. Marvel revealed as much in the Illuminati special. Basically, SHIELD is using a Furybot to disguise the fact he's gone rogue.
 
 
The Falcon
20:57 / 12.07.06
In New Avengers: Illuminati? I don't remember that.

On a similar tip, can anyone construct a timeline between New Avengers and Captain America - because of Fury's presence in the first 12 or 13 issues of the latter, I had assumed it to transpire before Secret War, which prefaces the 'Breakout' arc in NA's, cos Hill's in charge there. However! Crossbones is one of the prisoners freed in the titular breakout, and appears around #2 or #3 of Cap.

It's not a continuity question, it's a consistency one.
 
 
Mario
21:45 / 12.07.06
A lot of problems cropped up because the finish of Secret War was so late. I'm not sure you can do anything more than shrug and move on.

However, I would suggest that storylines with actual dialogue trumps cameo background appearances, so it may be simpler to mentally edit Crossbones out of NA.
 
 
rabideyemovement
22:05 / 12.07.06
Fury was active after Civil War. I believe he's been out of commission after Gorgon impaled him in the Wolverine book. I've been thinking that Captain America and Iron Man take place before Wolverine's brainwashing... Everything else is afterwards.

Then he was a life model decoy in Hulk, so he could be again, but I'm sure he's the leader of the Underground hero resistance.
 
 
The Falcon
22:42 / 12.07.06
I may just edit NA out mentally altogether. I only ask because, quite utterly tragically, I do have my Marvels of the last two or three years shelved in vague story chronology order.

So... the Wolverine arc occurs after Astonishing Yr.1, before House of M, which is after Breakout/Disassembled - I guess that could work, rabid. However, I'm pretty sure Fury disappeared, saying 'I'm disappearing now', at the end of Secret War. Which is after Cap year one.

Therefore: AXM - W/CA - SW - NA(#1-6) - HoM
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:58 / 12.07.06
Mister 27, Falconer 27: I may just edit NA out mentally altogether. I only ask because, quite utterly tragically, I do have my Marvels of the last two or three years shelved in vague story chronology order.

I've completely avoided it, although I do admit that it must have happened, on account of the appearances in Runaways during the second Cloak & Dagger storyline and Iron Man's opening snark: "A Wolverine appearance. How novel."
 
 
The Falcon
23:14 / 12.07.06
Yeah, I'm not against it in principle; as a kid, I always thought that instead of whatever boring-ass team featuring Sersi, Hercules and the Black Knight they were rocking that month, they totally should have a marquee team with, well, Spidey anyway. (He was a reserve, y'know. So was the Sandman, when he turned good, mind you.)

I just found 'Breakout' actually quite annoying; Spidey's good, so's Cage, and I like BMB writing them, but I didn't care so much for his Cap, or daft things like Jigsaw breaking Pete's arm (shyyyeah right, Bendis!) and it just happened at a point where I was getting particularly fed-up with the evident dialogue tics. Slave traders in the Savage Land plot + verry questionable SHIELD involvement was good, dunno if anything else much has happened on that front?
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:27 / 12.07.06
dunno if anything else much has happened on that front?

Well, Black Widow II, who was burned to a crisp at the end of that story, has now (as of NA Annual 2006) become a super adaptoid. Does that count?
 
  

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