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10:39 / 23.11.06

But he ate flesh off of himself to live? So low level regeneration is okay. Also, one drop of blood led to him regenerating, although that was a mystical reason and in an annual so...

11:22 / 23.11.06

Apparently, this week's Wolverine explains why he's been surviving things like nuclear bombs lately. However, I haven't read it, only heard that regenerating like that "has a cost".

11:39 / 23.11.06

I think it depends one weather he has the Adamantium skeleton or not . If his so coated then i doubt if he could regenerate the bone missing from a limb . With out it who knos (if i remember one of teh first things that happend to him after having it removed was being run over !)

On the vibranium bullet etc , unlikley as i believe it starts healing asoon as a wound is inflicted (and as normal people regenerate brain cells any way ).

Naplam , phosphorus and a nucelar blast should (oh wait scrap the last one )

13:18 / 23.11.06

It appears (having acquired a copy of the latest Wolverine) that there's some sort of spiritual component as well. He literally can't die, unless he's defeated by some guy named Lazaer who wants to send him to "the light".

Quite honestly, it sounds like a needless power-up to me.

13:47 / 23.11.06

The healing factor effectiveness depends on who's writing really, considering that a blast from a Sentinel kills him during Days of Future Past.

However, I haven't read it, only heard that regenerating like that "has a cost".

Although your later post indicates they've gone a different direction with this, I always liked the Wolverine comics after Magneto tore the adamantium out, where the healing factor had been so stressed just to keep him alive it was barely functioning.

On the vibranium bullet etc , unlikley as i believe it starts healing asoon as a wound is inflicted (and as normal people regenerate brain cells any way ).

Doesn't the metal-destroying type of vibranium melt everything with even trace amounts of metal in it? I recall Agent X having an anti-metal bullet that was supposed to be able to kill Logan (although this could have been part of a Weapon X con).

14:30 / 23.11.06

Originally the thing about Wolverine's amnesia wasn't that he had memory implants and shit, but that he'd sustained massive brain damage on numerous occasions, and while his nerve cells did regenerate they weren't the same ones that had been destroyed, so his memory was gappy. Makes a lot more sense, if you think about it. I'm talking way back when Wolverine was cool, of course.

15:29 / 23.11.06

Ah forgotten about the brain damage part .
Vibranium from what i recall only (but hey whats cannon these days ) only destroys other metals (it weakens adamantium).

SO great for wiping out sentinals and Iron man , not so good on none metal guys (whos knows with Colossus as its Organic steel

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Seems to be a real shift to attribute "spiritual" parts to heros , which to be fair the rather under used mysitcal magickal side of the MU good do with a kick start .
GM propably being the man to do it (DC down size theres marvel up it ??) The scope of expression of will power and its affect on powers /spiritual sides , is a boartdering on the Invisibles really but could work with Good writers (Mr Miller please leave now !)

Also and a sad point if you have a baltistic weapon round cabaple (like say a DPU tipped bullet ) it will slice straight through things not leaving v big holes so the vibranium bullet would just leave two small holes.

16:10 / 23.11.06

What?

18:51 / 23.11.06

The healing factor effectiveness depends on who's writing really

Pretty mch the only point worth making on this subject.

20:09 / 23.11.06

I thought my point was gut-smashingly salient.

05:44 / 24.11.06

"The healing factor effectiveness depends on who's writing really"

Yeah true but kills the whole fan boy thing (gets coat, and makes like a tree)

07:14 / 24.11.06

If wolverine dies then the whole marvel universe dies - it's a fact. He's healing power is representative of the whole mood over at that place.

09:07 / 24.11.06

Also and a sad point if you have a baltistic weapon round cabaple (like say a DPU tipped bullet ) it will slice straight through things not leaving v big holes so the vibranium bullet would just leave two small holes.

You're Micah Ian Wright and I claim my five dollars.

09:57 / 24.11.06

If wolverine dies then the whole marvel universe dies - it's a fact. He's healing power is representative of the whole mood over at that place.

Heh

10:34 / 24.11.06

"You're Micah Ian Wright and I claim my five dollars. "

Pah i'd have gotten away with it if it wasnt for you pesky kids....

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

11:59 / 21.12.06

Where are Nanny and the Orphanmaker these days, anyway?

12:38 / 21.12.06

Nanny!

I'd forgotten about them. They rock! What incredible, scary as fuck freaks. I love all those weird "we prey on the children" baddies. And an egg suit - that's sooo wrong.

Now where's Emplate, that's what I want to know? He was horrid, horrid, horrid.

12:49 / 21.12.06

Haunting M's nightmares, probably. If he shows up anywhere, he'll probably show up in X-Factor.

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

13:11 / 21.12.06

Yeah, I've been reading old X-Factors and I was impressed with how totally wrong these characters were, at least in their original appearances: a giant nursery-rhyme spewing egg sending an armoured psychopath into slumbering homes to slaughter parents in their sleep and "make" orphans for the egg to adopt.

Apparently they got toned down later and Louise Simonson backpedaled to say that the Orphanmaker was using "sleep pellets" instead of real bullets, which doesn't make him much of an Orphanmaker, does it?

But I don't know if they got killed off or destroyed in some slate-cleaning or if they're still out there. Beyond their X-Factor stuff... I think they "de-aged" Storm once in X-Men.

Current status? Anyone?

rabideyemovement

14:50 / 21.12.06

Last I saw Nanny and the Orphanmaker, they were trying to race Generation X to kidnap a mutant kid who was holding his classroom hostage. I can't remember how that panned out, but I don't think they've been seen since.
And i'd always wondered how Storm had been youth-ified, and so that answers that mystery.

14:53 / 21.12.06

Last seen in Slingers #9, doing their thing. Assuming they survived M-day, they are probably still looking for mutant kids.

17:20 / 06.02.07

does David Banner have memories of what happens when he's the Hulk?

i ask because currently Hulk's been sent off world by a Reed and Stark and was curious when he gets back if Banner will have any idea of what the Hulk will be up to.

also, during the entire time Hullk has been off world he hasn't changed back, except maybe briefly. (i haven't been reading the Hulk titles that long.) is this the longest time the Hulk has banished Banner?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:22 / 06.02.07

Bruce in the comics, David in the show.

I think the Grey Hulk went Banner-free for quite a long time, right? I can't think of the specifics but it was fairly long.

17:28 / 06.02.07

Only while in Vegas, baby! Before the other gamma bomb that the Leader had detonated in some small town, trapping the Hulk in there his changes were dependent on it being night time I believe - then, as Mister Fixit, he remained grey hulk for a chunk of time, a few months I think?

13:28 / 09.02.07

i haev just caught up on the first few trades of the Bendis Avengers, which are good honest fun and nothing too big or clever, and was wondering if spidey still has organic webshooters or if that was a passing thing as part of an event that failed to change the marvel universe forever,

also did thor ever come back or does he turn out to be sentry all along?

thanks.

D Terminator XXXIII

13:53 / 09.02.07

I think the Grey Hulk went Banner-free for quite a long time, right? I can't think of the specifics but it was fairly long.

330s/340s - the Leader imprisoned Hulk inside a city and detonated a gamma bomb and he was presumed dead. However, at the exact moment the bomb was detonated, Hulk was transported to that mystical, Sword of the Atom-wannabe miniature world whose magicians, upon Hulk's help against a threat, helped him banish Banner forever. Or so he thought. But it lasted for a while, yes.

D Terminator XXXIII

13:55 / 09.02.07

Come to think of it, there were those Dale Keown-drawn issues where the grey and green Hulks were merged with Banner and it lasted longer - 370s -420something?

14:09 / 09.02.07

Why won't average writers leave Hulk alone..?

slagar, that's an interesting question. Perhaps The Hulk hasn't changed back because the atmosphere of the planet is lethal to normal humans and would turn Banner inside out if he caught a whiff.

Or maybe Hulk's so pissed off at, really, the gamma-powered equivalent of putting your drunken mate on a ship to Poland, that he's got rage to spare.

14:29 / 09.02.07

Apparently, it was willing. The latest issue had him change to Banner for a bit on his wedding night...

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

14:45 / 09.02.07

The "Merged Hulk" was the result of Doc Sampson using the Ringmaster to jerry-rig some hypnotherapy for Bruce. Turns out Bruce was a three-way split personality: his "afraid self," the brainy Bruce, his "angry child," the Green Hulk, and his "nasty self", the Grey Hulk.

The Ringmaster slapped all three personalities together (and there was some business about a Dark Hulk, but I can't remember how all that worked out) and the Merged Hulk was born: Green Hulk body, Bruce brains, Grey Hulk take-no-shit attitude. Sampson kept insisting that this was a bad fix, all mental duct tape and staples, but Merged Hulk thought he was feelin' fine and ignored the gradual schisming of his personality while he started to crack under the strain of leading the Pantheon.

Eventually, a bunch of freaky stuff started happening, including Savage Banner -- the Merged Hulk getting so angry that he transformed into his inverse, with Banner body, Grey rage and Green brains. The Maestro stuff also played into this era -- a future version of the Hulk where the crafty Grey side had grown increasingly dominant.

Some time after that, the series got nixed and rebooted as the Bruce Jones "back to basics" Hulk. Not sure how all the "Merged" stuff got sorted, or if it just got shuffled out in the reboot. I suspect Onslaught/pocket dimension/Heroes Reborn was the snapping point where Merged Hulk was ditched and when the Hulk came back it was as ol' Green Savage again.

MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!

14:50 / 09.02.07

Er -- all of that to answer Bambling's question.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

15:58 / 09.02.07

The merged Hulk did reappear for a bit post Onslaught, in Paul Jenkins run, between Byrne's second run and Jones, during which Banner was presented almost as a Crazy Jane kind of character with such oddities as 'Clown-Hulk' making brief appearances. I read the entire run but I still couldn't really tell you exactly what happened to the merged Hulk - at least partially because Jenkins seemed to lose all interest in the book towards the end of his run, and it ended with a guest writer doing a pretty sloppy clean up at the end of the run and it didn't really make any sense at all as I recall.

There was a fairly long period of the old book after Banner committed ‘Psychic Suicide’ at the beginning of the Bill Mantlo story arc that lead up to the revelation that the Hulk personality came from Bruce’s abuse at the hands of his father in which Bruce did not appear, and was allegedly dead. I think that lasted about nine months, but since I was five or six at the time it felt like literally forever. I’ve no idea if that story was really any good, but I do remember that when I was five it severely rocked.

16:18 / 09.02.07

thanks for the info, as i said i'm new to the Hulk mythos. it seems from the new issue, though, that Banner does have memroies of what happens when he is the Hulk, so that question was answered. i guess i know more of the conventions of the character from TV and movies.

16:31 / 09.02.07

Jenkins retconned the 'Merged' Hulk into being just another personality, and not an actual merging of them, or solution to Bruce's problems-- hence, he became the 'Professor' Hulk.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

18:04 / 13.02.07

Alright, I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so here it is.

Is anyone reading Spiderman: Reign?

I ask because This cannot be true, can it? Who the fuck thought that Peter Parker slowly killing Mary Jane with radioactive semen was a good idea? It isn't enough for them to say that she got cancer because he was radioactive, they have him say to her corpse:

"Oh God, I'm sorry! The doctors didn't understand how it happened! How you had been poisoned by radioactivity! How your body slowly became riddled with cancer! I did. I was... I am filled with radioactive blood. And not just blood. Every fluid. Touching me... loving me... Loving me killed you!"

I am surprised there hasn't been a thread on this yet, but I feel my outrage, a link and a quote isn't really enough to start one.

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