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Uatu.is.watching

18:13 / 13.01.06

As alluded to above, I'm not really sure if I'm up-to-date on "The Other" but in a nutshell...

Spoilers...

Pete is told that it was't the radioactivity that gave him his spider powers, but it was the spider who was looking to pass on the power. Over the course of the story Peter finds out he's dying, a whole lot of nothing happens, there's some exposition, and the crazy Morlun guy from JMS's early days kills Peter (after plucking out his eye).

His dead body was left alone, and apparently he shed his skin, webbed himself under a bridge and is evolving into something else. Again.

18:14 / 13.01.06

Lady, I don't follow Spider-man but:

According to sources speaking with Newsarama, and confirmed by this week’s Wizard, “The Other” traces its roots back to Amazing Spider-Man writer J. Michael Straczynski’s “The Book of Ezekiel” arc, which introduced the idea that not only was Peter Parker not the first spider-based hero, but that the world was filled with individuals taking their powers from various animal totems.

From what I can piece together - because the solicitations for this "super-series" are suprisingly devoid of any information - is that Spidey is dying of spider-cancer (I shit you not) and that might be to do with the fact that there's another Spider-person out there which is fucking with Spidey's powers (who may or may not be Venom or one of the rejects from the Clone Saga). Or that Peter is mutating into Man-Spider. Or something. And he might actually be an avatar for an ancient spider-god. Fuck knows.

It's really about four thousand variant covers and loads of crossover comics for the spider-autists.

18:29 / 13.01.06

While I've not been following it (I hate cross-overs, especially unneccesary ones) here is Wikipedia's summary of "The Other", which tells you what's going on.

Uatu.is.watching

20:02 / 13.01.06

Ugh. New arms... (click on the Joey Q artwork towards the bottom)

20:39 / 13.01.06

Wasn't there a Spider-Woman with thosse?

ONLY NICE THINGS

22:05 / 13.01.06

"Iron Spider"?

I call mega-morph.

15:23 / 14.01.06

Although the gold & red costume does indeed seem to be the actual new costume, I have hopes that it will be used for about 1 or 2 issues. Note how Joe Quesada replied, when asked if this was the new costume that would be sticking around for a while: " It is indeed a new Spidey costume!" I emphasize his use of the words "a new...costume," not THE new costume. Although maybe I'm just grasping at straws here...

The eyes on the new costume look especially bad to me, like badly-drawn manga eyes or something.

rabideyemovement

15:33 / 14.01.06

I heard that Spidey's costume was going to mirror the movie version. Y'know, scale mail with silver webbing? They've already got him shooting webs organically...
As much as I hate when the comics pander to the films, I hope the rumor is true since it wouldn't be a big change from the classic.

16:18 / 14.01.06

Funny—when I saw the red-and-gold outfit and the name "Iron Spider," I didn't think immediately of Iron Man at all—but of Hiroyuki Sakai. Which makes me a geek of a different stripe, I guess.

19:30 / 14.01.06

To be fair the costume has less to do with THE OTHER, and more with Marvel's CIVIL WAR. Since Stark has been doing a lot for Spidey, (Housing him and his family, job(?), costume,) he may be pressured to side with Tony on issues.

20:41 / 14.01.06

Still reading through the Claremont run, and Infero left me with some questions. This is obviously difficult territory, but could someone explain what the deal is with the Phoenix and Maddy? The way I took it was after Phoenix died, the spirit went into the ether, and was looking for a new host body, Jean rejected its evil, but Maddie took it on, and as a result got the negative aspects of Dark Phoenix.

So, when Maddie passes her memories onto Jean, does Jean get the memories of what Phoenix did as well? And in the subsequent issue where they're going around Jean's head, there's a part where they're at first talking with Maddy, who seems back to normal, and then Jean bumps Sinister out of her mind by seemingly embracing the Dark Phoenix. What was going on here?

23:37 / 14.01.06

It's too bad... THE OTHER could have been a great story, but they had to stretch it out so long with so little detail. A spider-cancer? Come on.

It reminds me of THE LIFE AND DEATH OF CAPTAIN MARVEL in which Spidey gets all weirded out because "heroes" normally die in the line of fire, not in bed. It's a poignant moment because it showed Spidey as being normal, ie he couldn't deal with his grief in a constructive and healthy way.

With THE OTHER, it would have been more interesting if the story had been shorter and if it was more about real cancer and how that affects Spidey and his family.

But that costume is teh balls. I hate it.

23:57 / 14.01.06

Patrick, apparently there's a later issue of X-Factor (#48 or so) that takes place largely in Jean's mind which SPELLS IT OUT for confused x-fans, and basically totally exonerates Jean for any Phoenix actions, leading to these selfsame Aspberger children (they can't process metaphor) latterly informing me online about 3-4 years ago in unison: "Jean is NOT the Phoenix."

00:10 / 15.01.06

There is some discussion of this earlier in the MMS thread, starting with houdini's impressive post, here.

15:28 / 15.01.06

That clears a lot up, but I'm still a bit confused about what exactly happened to Maddy. In that X-Men issue (243, I think), she seems to be living in Jean's brain. Is she somehow wiped out in the afforementioned X-Factor issue?

16:00 / 15.01.06

Jean (I believe) rejects both the Phoenix & Maddy in some sort've astral battle, yes.

10:10 / 16.01.06

Okay then, as I most certainly won't be buying it, what's Spiderman: The Other about?

The new look spidey should have some guns to go with those wicked spikey arms and then he should get some chains and team up with Spawn!!111!

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:16 / 16.01.06

Oh God...

Spider-Man is a spider elemental, not, like, just a science accident. He is pursued by a baddie who likes to eat Spider essence. Also, he has terminal cancer.

Anyway, long story short. Baddie beats him up and EATS HIS EYE (HARQORE!!!). He is hospitalised and moribund. Baddie turns up again to finish him off (I forgot to mention that, although baddie is incredibly strong etc, he left when the police arrived). Baddie hurts Mary Jane. Parker wakes up and mutates into.... Man-Spider.

(1602) Verily, such a man might spin intricate webs. He might be a veritable Spider of a Man. Or Man-Spider. (/1602)

Swanyway. Man-spider has organic webshooter (finally!), and paralysing bone spurs (HARDQORE!!!) and pointy, pointy teeth. He kills baddie, turns back to Parker, dies.

Is dead.

Is dead.

Is dead.

Is all better! Sheds skin, incubates in cocoon, emerges all new and improved. Feels old costume no longer represents ho HARDQORE he now is, so gets new one from Iron Man.

10:38 / 16.01.06

With spikes!!11

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:59 / 16.01.06

Some girls always get what they wanna, wanna. All I seem to get is TEH OTHER.

I read the issues where Parker talks to the SPIDER INSIDE and, aside from the nice toucht that his cocoon is under the Brooklyn Bridge, it was painfully bad. "Are you the MAN that is like a spider, or are you the SPIDER that is like a man? Ah! Do you see?"

I suspect that the new costume may turn out to be a deliberate "spikey armour is bad!" morality tale like Azbats.

A

12:05 / 16.01.06

New Coke...
Electric Superman...
Azrael as Batman...

Spiderman has a new uniform, you say?

13:27 / 16.01.06

Based on the discussions I've seen, the "Iron Spider" thing, or as I like to call it "Spider-Gizmo", is a Faust riff.

Tony Stark is essentially seducing Peter to his mindset (giving him somewhere to stay, offering all sorts of help) and the costume is the latest version of that. Eventually, when Civil War hits, Tony will expect Peter to back him. Expectation is that Peter will reject him, quit the Avengers, and go back to the red-and-blue.

ONLY NICE THINGS

16:31 / 16.01.06

"Are you the MAN that is like a spider, or are you the SPIDER that is like a man?

Are you the one... OR THE OTHER? !!23!!

Regrettable Juvenilia

20:21 / 16.01.06

He actually got the organic webshooters a while ago when this SEXUAL evil woman-spider bit him and he turned into an actual spider and then back. That wasn't event comics enough or portentous or po-faced enough though, it had to be done again by JOEMMMMM STRAVINSKI OF BABBIELONO!!5!!

20:14 / 17.01.06

Stravinski really fucked up Spider-man for good

07:07 / 18.01.06

Well whatadyaknow Pat, I'm also reading through Claremont's run (for the 1st time). I'm halfway done with the 2nd Essential X-Men b&w phonebook...the X-Men are about to go up against Proteus…oooo, the anticipation is killing me.

What I'm most surprised about the whole Phoenix thing is how closely it slots into Morison’s take on the universe's bird shaped immune system. Also, I'm about to read the bit where the White Queen makes her debut and there's this one line of dialogue I couldn't help giggling at. During a fight between Phoenix and White Queen, Cyclops can be see standing on the side-lines screaming to Jean, who has Emma in her Phoenix talon: "Don't kill the White Queen! I want her...um, for questioning!". Oh snap...no he didn't!

Anyway the reason I'm writing is about another matter entirely. I just want to find out about something that happened in the MU a few years back...a little something called Legion Quest and the repercussions thereof also called the Age of Apocalypse. Since time immemorial...well, actually since Banshee's first run-in with ol' Black Tom, x-writers have maintained that no mutant's mutant power shall harm the physical self or person of another blood related mutant if such a mutant would ever come to blows with said blood related mutant cousin, brother, mother whatever. Right? Right. Cyclops can't hurt Havoc with his eye beams, Siryn can't hurt Banshee with her mouth. It isn't logical but that's the way it's always been. But ya see here is where the problem comes in, if this is true and to believed then why in Claremont's Name was the mutant called Legion aka Bad Hair Day Boy aka David Haller, son of Gabrielle Haller and Charles Xavier able to psi-knife his dear old dad right in the cerebrum, thereby turning his father’s once prodigious mind into brain paste. How did he manage that?

And while we’re on the subject of Legion we should get round to discussing the whole incest thing but that's a subject better spared for a rainy day.

07:30 / 18.01.06

A no-prize suggestion could be the whole multiple personalities thing. Wasn't the David personality a pyrokine? Perhaps that's why Legion's never been able to toast his Dad. Or not.

the whole incest thing

? Vas ?

11:01 / 18.01.06

That "mutant powers cannot affect blood relatives" isn't a hard & fast rule. While it's true for the Summers boys, I think the case of Banshee & Siryn is because they have the same powers, and so are naturally resistant to them.

(It wouldn't be much use if Banshee blew out his eardrums every time he used his powers.

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12:20 / 18.01.06

the whole incest thing

? Vas ?

It was implied, during Legion Quest, that Legion raped Gabby Haller. He was then considered to have become his own father.

Whatever IC can do, 90s X-Men can do better.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:22 / 18.01.06

Indeed - the Cyclops/Havoc thing is the exception rather than the rule, I think - although I am now struggling to think of other familial bonds with directly offensive powers. The Bedlam brothers? Cannonball and Husk, possibly? I'm pretty sure that if Collosus hit Magik in the face, it would have killed her. Jamie and Brian Braddock, I'm pretty sure, have used their mutant powers against each other, and Elizabeth can, IIRC, read Brian's mind.

Mind you, the Age of Apocalypse actually had Havok killing Cyclops with one of his blasts. This was noticed after the art was completed, and a cut-out of a blaster was placed over the art, but it fell off and so it went to press with the mistake restored.

14:33 / 18.01.06

Well, if Legion fathered himself, then he isn't in any way related to Xavier. Hence, psiknifing in the delicate brainparts.
And, personally, I believe if the big Russian Terminator were to try and punch his dead sister, she probably wouldn't feel a thing.
Now, as the one person who actually kinda liked the just before Milligan X-Force, can anyone tell me if the weird reappearance of Petey W and his sister with a completely different look ever happened to be explained or built upon elsewhere?
Also, did the Mantis/Vision lovely love-love romance go anywhere or become anything since the 'Celestial Quest' or was that just Englehart's final stab at Avengers' mythos and nobody else cared for it?

14:56 / 18.01.06

Brian's not a mutie, is he? I thought he wasn't.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:06 / 18.01.06

Well, he and Betsy were fraternal twins, not identical, so she probably developed the mutant gene and he didn't. However, his genetics is messy - hers, as well - because they're technically half alien. Half from Otherworld, half changed by Merlyn's magic.

05:53 / 19.01.06

It was implied, during Legion Quest, that Legion raped Gabby Haller. He was then considered to have become his own father.

Oh yes, David Haller was indeed one troubled fuck. What was the point of that in the 1st place? Was it intentional or were they just trying to be salacious? And where was the valiant protector of fragile, adolescent sensibilities, the Comic Code Authority while all this motherfucking was going on. Had I been a suburban stay-at-home mom during that arc I’m sure I would have written a letter.

And, personally, I believe if the big Russian Terminator were to try and punch his dead sister, she probably wouldn't feel a thing.

Yeah, her face would just make a squish sound and his fist would be all gooey.

Well, he and Betsy were fraternal twins.

Speaking of Betsy, during the start of Claremont’s run (which I'm currently reading, mind you). Colossus and Nightcrawler had these seemingly human lay-deez they frequently frequented called Amanda and Betsy. Piotr and Kurt even took them to the opera once and they got kidnapped by Arcade. Now considering the lameness that is the comic writer, I'm just wondering if these characters were later recycled into the xmen we now know as Amanda Sefton aka Magick mark 2 and Bets Braddock alternatively called Psyclock, respectively?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:58 / 19.01.06

I'm pretty sure that was indeed Amanda Sefton, because Nightcrawler has to get all creepy and date his foster sister. And just when you thought "O.C." slash fiction was as creepy as it got...

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