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FinderWolf
17:55 / 01.06.05
Very positive review over at Buzzscope (formerly pop culture shock):

This sounds pretty great.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:56 / 01.06.05
The above review is no spoilers, by the way.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:58 / 01.06.05
interesting thing about that review is that Sandy Collora is the guy that made that excellent short fan film of Batman (Alex Ross Batman come to life) vs. The Joker (a TRULY frightening Joker).
 
 
Hieronymus
19:46 / 01.06.05
Along with the equally stupid World's Finest trailer. Why do people still sing his praises?
 
 
FinderWolf
20:19 / 01.06.05
Well, regardless, his review sounds intelligent and reasonable to me.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:31 / 07.06.05
In one corner, we have several very positive reviews from comics fans who saw the movie at recent conventions. We also two very non-ranting, intelligent and overwhelmingly positive reviews from aint it cool news. Roger Ebert loved and it says it's one of the best films so far this year.

In the other corner, we have negative reviews from Time, Variety, and the New Yorker.

Hm.....although it's interesting that it's getting the IMAX treatment.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:54 / 07.06.05
from comics 2 film:

>> BATMAN BEGINS

Actor Christian Bale showed off his comics prowess at Sci Fi Wire, saying "I liked the artwork of Alex Ross, but my favorites were the Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale stories. I've read a damn lot of them, all that DC sent me. I don't feel like Batman's ever really been defined in any portrayal, so I felt like this was an opportunity to finally do that, in regards to way that Bob Kane originally intended it when he wrote it in 1939. He intended it as being a dark and terrifying and intimidating character. It's kind of ended up being spoofed more. And then there's great material in the newer graphic novels of Frank Miller and Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale. So the source material is right there, and I just don't think it was ever taken advantage of until now. With 'Superman,' you can really look at Christopher Reeve and the way that he played it, and he's become the defining Superman. Whoever's playing him in the next one has got a really tough job to come up against him. I don't feel like that ever happened with 'Batman' before, so I felt like I had an opportunity to expand and bring something new to it."
 
 
+#'s, - names
01:51 / 08.06.05
I just saw it tonight. awesome. gary oldman as gorden was really something else. best bat-man flick in 39 years.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:45 / 09.06.05
would love to hear more a non-spoilers review/your thoughts.

No one else saw/is seeing advance screenings of this?
 
 
+#'s, - names
18:47 / 09.06.05
not sure whats a spoiler & what isn't, don't want to ruin anything for anyone. I didn't read anything about the movie, closed my eyes during previews & commercials, and generally ignored it until I saw it, so i'm not sure what everyone knows about it. I did poke around this thread this afternoon, and one thing i can say is...

The fire breathing horse makes total sense. it's cool.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:58 / 09.06.05
from an interview at comic book resources:

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CBR News: Gary how was it playing a good guy?

Oldman: [Joking] I've been asked this question all day and I'm here to set the record straight. I have played a good guy. This just hangs in the gallery with all the other good guys I have played.

CBR News: Name them.

Oldman: Well there's Beethoven and (joking) Dracula.

CBR News: (Raises an eyebrow)

Oldman: (Joking) Dracula was just a victim. Sure he was a vampire, but he was just misunderstood.

CBR News: Were you a Batman fan when you were younger Gary?

Oldman: I was never a huge fan of comic books; I just wasn't one of those kids.

Freeman: (Joking) he was too busy reading Gibson.

Oldman: (Joking) In its original language. I did like the movies and I loved the television series with Adam West. I used to get a tape recorder and record the audio from the T.V. and sometimes the power would go out and that dot would show up on the screen and I'd yell "Mom, I'm in the middle of Batman." But those shows don't hold up anymore.

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FinderWolf
13:20 / 13.06.05
This week! Very psyched for this...
 
 
Spaniel
14:24 / 13.06.05
As am I. Will be buying tickets this evening.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:41 / 13.06.05
Gary Oldman said in an interview at Comics Continuum "I'd be happy to become Commissioner Gordon" for the possible sequels (he plays Gordon as a Capt. in the film). Just a fun factoid.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:00 / 13.06.05
interesting thing about that review is that Sandy Collora is the guy that made that excellent short fan film of Batman (Alex Ross Batman come to life) vs. The Joker (a TRULY frightening Joker).

Versus Aliens! Versus Predator! Versus a Dalek! Versus Godzilla!

Walter Koenig must be weeping into his beer. This does not mean that Collora may not be a very intelligent and thoughtful reviewer (although he needs to work on his negatives), but "Dead End" had nothing going for it except the ingenuity of its effects.
 
 
Mycroft Holmes
16:51 / 14.06.05
Saw a preview last night. Usually get these free preview things from my local comic shop. It's always rush seating, so banking that it would be popular, I showed up over an hour before, and there was already over 100 people in line. The theatre supports 450, and every seat was filled. Standing in line, I got a good oppurtunity to observe the crowd, which was diverse to say the least. Grandmothers, teenagers, everything in between, from geek to barstar.

Gotta say, I loved it. I preferred the whole training, origin, first half, to the batman second half, but the whole thing was fantastic. General comments: The fights were a little muddled looking (I think with reason, it makes batman scarier/ and maintains the illusion a little better than seeing some guy in molded plastic doing lame kung-fu), The car chase was very tense and fun, Ra's al Gul rocks as a villian, and all the recent Tom Cruise-Katie Holmes press kind of ruined her performance for me. It also had a pretty intensely gratifying plot which was easy to follow, but NOT Simple. Great ending, with a fantastic setup for the next film. Oh, Liam Neeson and Kent Watanabi (I probably fucked up both of there names) ARE amazingly good in this film, really knocking it out of the park.

So, all the old ladies, young kids, comicbook geeks, ect. break out into applause, and if I didn't have issues with that sort of thing, I would have joined them. Fun, fun, movie.
 
 
Mycroft Holmes
16:53 / 14.06.05
jesus, triple posting is lame. I feel pretty sheepish now.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:04 / 14.06.05
it's ok, Mycroft - thanks for the review. The Barbelith gods, or at least I, forgive you for the surely unintentional triple-posting.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:34 / 14.06.05
apropo of nothing, I thought the colors had changed for the topics on the lower half of the board. Then I thought I'd gone mad and was imaginging it. Then later I saw the new Games category and realized I wasn't quite mad. Yay.
 
 
The Falcon
22:08 / 14.06.05
Frank Miller owns contemporary culture right now, which is why I'll be watching Robocop 2 this week (not really).

Bought the new Year One print just last week; hey, I'd already read it, and very rarely do I buy things I've already read. It is fucking great.

Really, though.

Anyway, Christian Bale'd've had more credibility if he just said 'Year One is the best.', but I'm optimistic - seems to be getting decent press write-ups, 'bout as good as Spider-Man 2.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:52 / 15.06.05
I keep reading really good reviews of this in newspapers. It opens today. Batmaaaaan! Very psyched.
 
 
gridley
14:12 / 15.06.05
The security guard in my building saw this last night and said: "It's all that!"
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:44 / 15.06.05
Saw it last night... PACKED midnight show. We ere there an hour early and the most of the good seat were already taken. There were ALOT of trailers and most of them sucked. Getting back to the actual film WHAT FUN!!!

Was forced to lay out this article on the movie, before I saw it, which caused me to fixate on the coffee mug on the ice. Sigh . . .

BALE is the most believable Bruce Wayne ever. The schizm between 3 Bruces was great to watch: the angry lost Bruce, the Public Billionaire Bruce and the Bruce becoming BATMAN where all delivered very effectively. This wasn't quite the dark brooding "machine" that's beeing seeing print of late; He's still young, ambitious and learning as he goes along. A couple of time I wondered if a voice over narration might have eased some of the exposition that took place.

Really, just about all of the characters had a great genuineness to them. Even the Lois Lane type "Racheal" fit well in a pre-Harvey Dent Gotham City. And what a great city it was; a nice blend of real world setting with DC™ "super hero" comic city. I do however wish Gordon had just a bit more to do. Detective Flass could have been used better.

Alfred was excellent.

Discovering the Batcave had a lovely shamanic edge.

Heck the movie was much more psycadelic than I would've thought. Sure, there was a very effective Scarecrow (cinematography was a bit too jumpy at times)throwing some great images around. Also, the movie played the Urban legend aspect of The Batman very effectively; surprisingly so.

There where a few odd choiced here & there, including a sort of "You killed my parents" moment that didn't work in the first film and had only slightly better effect here. However there where some moments of true (IMO) greatness. The film's pacing moved the stoy along quickly, loading BATMAN's origin story with pleanty of nuance. Thomas Wayne played a significant role and the switch form Zorro to Faust in young Bruce's formative influence was telling.

While the Batmobile was great fun it struck me a just a bit HUMMER-ish. Especially when played as a sort of counterpoint to his Father's choice of transportation in the city. Got home at 3:AM... need to formulate my thoughts more clearly later...
 
 
Hieronymus
21:14 / 15.06.05
Absolutely incredible. The realism. The goddamn realism is what I couldn't believe about this movie. It was so visceral and plausible that it just guided you into the wilder moments without losing anything. Even Ra's final dialoguing, his reasons for doing what he did, wasn't hackneyed. It was all the more terrifying to me because it almost made sense, in a way totally befitting his extinction-of-mankind insanity.

I honestly can't remember any comic book movie ever being this good. Seriously. It was ripe with so many emotional vignettes and character depth that I didn't want it ever to end. I've been reading Batman for years and yet, for the first time, I actually gave a damn when his parents were killed. It was utterly heartbreaking to watch.

Got plans to see it again at an IMAX theater with some friends this Friday. And cannot wait. This was the Batman movie I've been waiting for since I was padding around in footy Batman pajamas and planned to be a Batman-like crimefighter when I grew up.

On a side note, I can't help but read over this thread again, having seen the finished product, and wonder about zerone's ranty posts about the film.

If you're out there, zerone, did you see it and if so, what'd you think? Still think it's campy shit?
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
04:13 / 16.06.05
I don't even know where to start. My heart is still racing. Loved nearly everything about this flick.
 
 
CameronStewart
04:47 / 16.06.05
I just got back from it myself...

AAAAAWWWWEEEEEEESSSOOOOOMMMMEEEEEEEEE

is pretty much the one word that keeps running through my head. I wasn't too hyped based on the trailers, which I thought were mostly dull, but seeing the final result had me actually GIDDY in places.

Huge thumbs up.
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
04:53 / 16.06.05
I'm still awake. Because of this friggin' movie. Packed NY show, and the ENTIRE audience loved it. Laughed, applauded, jumped at the scary bits (and there ARE scary bits)

If they can get that Superman movie as right as they got Batman in this one, I expect to be weeping openly in theatres next July.
 
 
CameronStewart
05:07 / 16.06.05
>>>(and there ARE scary bits)<<<

Oh yeah! I jumped a few times and the Scarecrow was creepy as fuck.
 
 
X-Himy
06:15 / 16.06.05
I just saw this movie, and even a couple hours later, I can only describe the movie in terms of an orgasm. I needed cuddle time after seeing this movie. Truly the greatest Batman on film (that and BTAS), and honestly one of the best in any medium.

Yes, there were some slight changes from the comic, but these did not bother me in the least, because the rationales worked. Everything... goddamnit it was beautiful to behold.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:21 / 16.06.05
I'm seeing it tomorrow night, cannot fucking wait!!!
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:54 / 16.06.05
What a piece of crap!

They call that acting? Ice skates on their boots??

Puh-leaze!

I cannot stand to see what they did to this franchise. What stuns me most of all is that so many reviewers actually LIKE this!

I wonder if we watched the same movie to be honest!

(Sorry, there really is nothing bad to say about this amazing film that finally captured the fullness of the character... but no thread is complete without one naysayer. So I time travelled to the wonderful summer of 1997, the summer of nipples)
 
 
FinderWolf
16:41 / 16.06.05
nice one...I read the first lines of your post really fast and got nervous there for a split-second. but then of course I came to my sense(s).
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:52 / 16.06.05
Oh make no mistake about it, this is THE Batman movie that we've been waiting for since the first good Bats comic we read. I cannot get over the amount of work they did on this.

Bring an extra pair of undies with you for the sheer joy this will bring.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:57 / 16.06.05
on a random note, do they have the old Batman 60s TV series on DVD yet? It seems like now they're putting all the old 60s/70s shows on DVD, sitcoms too, it seems only a matter of time til they put all the 60s Adam West shows on DVD...esp. considering the marketing tie-in to the new movie, seems to be a marketer's dream timing.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:27 / 16.06.05
Not that I know of, but there is the old 60's movie and a few documentaries on DVD. I recall in 89 they re-ran the series and I was thoroughly depressed by it.

But my depression has mutated now so I might actually like seeing it again.
 
  

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