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FinderWolf
12:58 / 11.08.05
from comics 2 film:

(I'm sure they're not really going to call it "Batman Begins 2"):

>> "BATMAN BEGINS" producer Charles Roven has confirmed that actress Katie "Dawson's Creek" Holmes will return as love interest 'Rachel Dawes' in "Batman Begins 2", the upcoming sequel to the Warners feature based on DC Comics 'Batman' character.

Roven confirmed that Holmes' character will be further developed, as the Assistant DA character, who flirts with 'Bruce Wayne' in director Christopher "Memento" Nolan's film.

>> Roven said Michael Caine as butler 'Alfred', Gary Oldman as police detective 'Jim Gordon' and Christian Bale as 'Bruce Wayne/Batman', will all be back to reprise their roles per contract agreements.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:28 / 12.08.05
and rumors have everyone and their brother being talked about for the role of the Joker in the sequel - so much so that I can't take any of them seriously.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:49 / 16.08.05
Warner Home Video announced on Monday that Batman Begins, which just went past the $200-million mark at the box office last week, will be released on DVD and VHS on Oct. 18.

The double-disc Deluxe Edition will have the following features:

*DVD ROM Features: Batman Begins Mobile Game Demo & Weblinks.

* Documentaries: Genesis of the Bat: Batman Incarnations from the Mid-1980s to the Present; The Journey Begins: Creative Concepts, Story Development and Casting; Shaping Mind and Body: Fighting Style; Gotham City Rises: Production Design; Cape and Cowl: The New Batsuit; The Tumbler: The New Batmobile; Path to Discovery: Filming in Iceland; Saving Gotham City: The Monorail Chase Sequence

* Easter Eggs.

* Featurette: Confidential Files Character/Weaponry Gallery

* Interactive Menus: Inner Demonds Comic -- Explore the special features through an exclusive interactive comic book.

* Exclusive collectible 72-page comic book featuring Detective Comics #37 - the very first Batman story; Batman: The Man Who Falls - a classic story that inspired Batman Begins; Batman: The Long Halloween - a chilling excerpt that also inspired the film.

* Photo gallery.

* Theatrical trailer.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:49 / 16.08.05
No director's commentary? That's disappointing.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:51 / 17.08.05
BATMAN CONTINUES

Batman On Film is doing some rumorbashing about candidates for the Clown Prince of Crime. "With all the speculation regarding the casting of the Joker, I asked a longtime, trusted friend of BOF -- who is an industry 'insider' -- what he makes of all the rumors. Here are some of his thoughts: 'There’s a lot of bull**** out there for sure! Here’s what your readers need to keep in mind. Take for instance Steve Carell -- I'll use him as an example. It is entirely possible that someone at Warner threw his name out there for the role. That doesn’t mean that he’s a real candidate, he’s only a suggestion. Same for many of the names that have been rumored and others we have yet to hear -- and we WILL hear more names! Here’s how it goes: Studio suit 'X' will say 'What about so-and-so as The Joker?' They may even go as far as to have a mock-up of the actor done by a studio artist to see what the guy may look like. But that still doesn’t mean he’s an actual 'candidate.' On the other hand, you will have a certain actor’s 'people' doing whatever it takes to get their guy’s name out there. There is a lot of that sort of high jinks taking place. So what you have is that some of the people you have mentioned are seriously in the running for the role. Some are simply suggestions and probably will not make it any further than that. Others covet the role and are using sites such BOF and even message forums to get their name circulating. And then a lot of it is complete and utter crap. And of course my friend, it’s your job to sort out all the BS!' Very interesting and enlightening. The two names that BOF has heard from reliable and longtime sources in conjunction to the role of The Joker are Paul Bettany and Lachy Hulme. The others, as far as I’m concerned, are products of speculation ..."
 
 
waxy dan
13:08 / 30.08.05
I'm praying it'll be Adrien Brody. Why can no one else see that?
 
 
FinderWolf
17:19 / 21.09.05
aint it cool news reports on the latest rumors -- This is reportedly from a very reliable source:

>> Two of BOF's best - and completely unrelated - sources have confirmed for us that Australian actor Lachy Hulme (pronounced "Lock-ee Hewm") and British thesp Paul Bettany are the only actors that BATMAN producers are considering for the role of The Joker - at the momment. One of these two sources also told us that screen tests will indeed take place this fall, although it was unclear if one or both of these actors are testing...

In addition, one of these same sources told BOF that we were "dead on" regarding our report that Mr. Nolan will indeed return to The Cave once he completes his next project - which is said to be THE EXEC for Warner Bros.

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Hieronymus
18:27 / 21.09.05
That seems pretty speculative since the script hasn't even been written yet.
 
 
Seth
05:05 / 22.09.05
You're wrong.

I have a completed script.

In my back pocket.
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:14 / 22.09.05
This has nothing to do with anything, but when Seth said that, I had a flashback to The Glimmer Man, with Seth surrounded by Hollywood execs with guns pointed at him, and suddenly he pulls out a Batman script with a razor blade in it and kills them all...
 
 
FinderWolf
15:40 / 29.09.05
Comics 2 Film with sequel title rumors...I like "BATMAN STRIKES," personally. BATMAN: ESCALATION seems a bit heavy-handed given the dialogue at the end of BB.

>> Argh -- another title rumor, over at Batman-On-Film from a tipper who paid off a year ago. Scooper sez, "if you remember, I emailed you a year a so ago when BATMAN BEGINS was still filming. I have worked as a key grip for several years now (as I told you before), including many projects on the Warner Bros. lot. Anyway, the reason I’m writing is that I’ve got a family member and many friends who are ‘in the business’ as well, and I may have a potential sequel title for you. If true, it sort of makes sense, as Gordon alludes to it at the end of the movie when he's talking to Batman on the rooftop. Let me preface by telling you and your readers to take this with a grain of salt, but there is some rumblings that the sequel could be titled 'BATMAN ESCALATION.' I’ll also tell you that we’ve heard 'BATMAN ATTACKS' as well, but not 'BATMAN STRIKES' as you reported earlier. "
 
 
FinderWolf
15:35 / 20.10.05
The DVD is out but it doesn't have a commentary. Grrrr.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:36 / 21.10.05
from comics2film:

>> Director Christopher Nolan gave a couple of choice quotes to BoxOfficeMojo about the planned sequel, which he will tackle after "The Prestige."

"Batman is positive, but I believe that, in the first couple of years, he's going to find an increasingly negative response from society, because the truth is that, when you have a powerful, negative city like Gotham, it didn't become corrupt by accident, and those entrenched people are going to respond very vigorously ... that's the point of the final scene. That [fighting evil] is not going to be easy. It's going to get harder."
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:44 / 21.10.05
Anyway, I demand Ben Birdie posts about this now.

Well, how dissapointed am I?

Yes, for some ridiculous reason did not see Batman Begins in the theaters this summer. Probably something to do with being a complete pussy when it comes to movies and when I heard it was actually a scary movie I kept finding reasons to wait and then it was out of theaters and, well, here we are.

I apologize, Falc.

But holy fucking shit, that movie was incredible. I do enormously regret not being the theater to fucking stomp up and down at that ending and go "WooooOOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOH!" Fucking awesome.

I guess my only beef would be that the car chase seemed a little slow paced and that Falcone just disappeared to make way for Scarecrow. Wilkinson was killing it out there!

Everything was tops. Hell, even Katie Holmes wasn't annoying at all.

Also, as someone else noted, it was the realism on every level that nailed it. Especially the last scene. It was so def for them to end it on the note of "Yeah, heroes are SO great that now we're in even MORE danger. You're damn right I'll never have to say thank you, DICK."

I was pretty much of the opinion that Spidey 2 was the best SupaFlick I'd seen and while this wasn't ebullient and joyful like that movie, this one was so much tighter. It doesn't have a freeze frame in it either, but I still give it the edge.

Honestly? I'd really love for them to end the next one with a trip to the circus.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:08 / 26.10.05
Thank you Benjamin Birdie for finally complying with the Barbelith directive.

Yes, Wilkinson was totally fantastic.

And now...on the news front.

>> BATMAN BEGINS 2

According to Empire Online, director Christopher Nolan talked about his meeting with Warner Brothers exec Jeff Robinov. "I have marched into his office and I have told him what David Goyer and I think the story is, and they seem to like it a lot. I think the success of Batman Begins, in my terms, in it being a film that I wanted it to be, is very much due to a collaboration with the studio. It wasn't really one or the other telling the other what it should be, so I think he's poking fun."

>> Meanwhile, Batman-On-Film has a tidbit about Nolan and Goyer time commitments, a rumored release date (June 20, 2008), and signing up any prospective actors for the Joker and Harvey Dent for nothing less than a two picture deal.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:29 / 26.10.05
for nothing less than a two picture deal

Y. E. S.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
05:31 / 27.10.05
for nothing less than a two picture deal

Y. E. S.


Amen to not killing every villain after one movie. Hell yes.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
06:11 / 27.10.05
Alas. I fear that this may suggest we will continue in the tradition of the two villain movie. Sadly, I fear further that it will be in the Burton two-villain tradition, wherein Batman contends with two supervillains who have absolutly nothing in common and happen to bump into each other completly by accident, since there are obviously only two costumed baddies in Gotham at one time. Its how Bruce keeps busy on weekends.

Still...I have hope for their Joker. Such hope. In that hope, there are hyenas and a deranged psychiatrist named Harlene. See, Joker movies don't NEED two villains. Joker's got his own frickin supervillain team of weirdos behind him (Harley, the hyenas, a couple thugs in facepaint and flopping shoes and he's all set). But seriously...I'm really interested in how they'll do the costume. I'll admit that...I just can't think of a live action Joker right now, I just keep getting flashbacks to the animated Joker as voiced by Mark Hamil.

Thug: "Who's the clown?"
Mr. J: "Not clown."
throws a razor edged card at the table
Mr. J: "Joker."
 
 
Spaniel
09:55 / 27.10.05
Let the fanboy prescriptiveness BEGIN!

Oh dear...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:58 / 27.10.05
Bard: pay attention.
 
 
Seth
23:25 / 27.10.05
Alas. I fear that this may suggest we will continue in the tradition of the two villain movie. Sadly, I fear further that it will be in the Burton two-villain tradition, wherein Batman contends with two supervillains who have absolutly nothing in common and happen to bump into each other completly by accident, since there are obviously only two costumed baddies in Gotham at one time.

Dude... did you not notice that Batman Begins had four villains from the comic? Five if you count Flass?

From what I've heard the next film will feature the Joker, and the third movie will be the trial of the Joker and feature Two Face. Now think about it... that means you've got a whole movie to set up Dent as a sympathetic character before ripping him literally in half.

Nolan and Goyer have handled four villains in a movie. Some of them briefly, yes. But the film worked. I believe they can do this.
 
 
Aertho
00:20 / 28.10.05
1) Ra's Al Ghul
2) Scarecrow
3) Carmine Falcone
4) Earle
5) was Flass the guy that shot the Waynes?
 
 
Char Aina
00:31 / 28.10.05
i agree with you when you say it is well set to be handled well with the folks involved.
i also reckon that the villians have previously been rammed together in a kinda silly way, though.
i mean, the riddler and two face just kinda happened to be kicking about at the same time, y'know?
the latest one doesnt feel so forced or so ridiculous.
it makes sense, and that was the key to the cohesion, in my opinion.

the upcoming ones seem like they will share that same sort of logic.

flass was the dirty cop, by the way.
 
 
The Falcon
00:50 / 28.10.05
No, Flass was Gordon's corrupt partner.

Earle? I just watched it last night, and have no idea who that is.

Joe Chill, apart from having a shit name, was the guy who killed the Waynes.

Ben - about time.
 
 
Aertho
03:11 / 28.10.05
Earle was Ruger Hauer.

Batman Begins was overflowing with enemies.

Carmine Falcone wwas a Gotam Central type badguy, Scarecrow was a costumed baddie, Ra's Al Ghul was a philosophical and global dilemma, Earle a corporate corruption, Flass a Gotham Central type corruption, and Chill was a psychological get-over-your-horrors thing. The badguys were all across the field... I'm not sure how subsequent films can match that spectrum.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
04:16 / 28.10.05
Earl is the corporate guy who wants to take Wayne Enterprises public.

At the same time, I was really talking about the two-supervillain model. But I DO see what you mean. I don't really see Falcone as a stand alone villain, though, because a) he was taken down so easily, and b) he was really just a minor criminal lackey of the Scarecrow, when all's said and done.

What I meant by the two-villain model is how villains in the previous movies tended to just be knocking over the same bank at the same time, or noticed that the other was trying to kill Batman and decided to tag along.
 
 
Seth
08:24 / 28.10.05
1) Ra's Al Ghul/Henri Ducard
2) Scarecrow
3) Carmine Falcone
4) Victor Zsaz (bizarrely played by Tim Booth out of James)

All of these characters were from Batman comics. Then you've got characters like Flass, Earle and Faden who are all fairly scummy but it's debatable whether they're actual full-on villains. Chill doesn't count unless you don't believe his contrition.

Now when you remember that with the exception of Ra's Al Ghul all of these characters were still alive and at large outside as of the end of Begins it looks likely that the next two movies will have a hell of a lot of bad guys between them. I reckon there'll also be at least some mention of the League of Shadows, as they need some kind of explanation as to how Batman's life isn't full of fending off reprisals for saving Gotham.
 
 
Spaniel
09:06 / 28.10.05
Bard, Scarecrow is Ras al Ghul's lacky, so by that logic he's not a stand alone villain.
 
 
Aertho
11:50 / 28.10.05
It's 2005, no villains are stand-alone anymore. Everything works together, and Begins was perfect at that. Ra's want to purge evil, so it works to destroy Gotham through Scarecrow and petty crime. Scarecrow puppets Falcone, and on and on.

Joker MIGHT be a stand-alone villain, because he's insane. The mere fact that he's outside the system might add something to the new Batman mythos. I wonder how threaded the rest of Gotham City crime might be. Ah well, I don't even really like Batman. But this Batman's an armored ninja. Yeah.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:04 / 28.10.05
There should be aPirate Themed villian in the nex film. So BATMAN can beat him in he first 5 minutes thus laying to rest the Ninja/Pirate debate.
 
 
Aertho
16:31 / 28.10.05
Psst! Tricks!

Joker is most obviously The Pirate to end all pirates. Contemporary context, of course.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:51 / 03.11.05
anyone get the DVD? Are the extras any good?
 
 
Hieronymus
18:04 / 03.11.05
They ain't bad. The documentaries are pretty much the weightiest prize of them all (the MTV Movie Awards 'Tankman' spoof' being one of the low points). You get to learn more about the Keysi fighting method (which god help me, I now wish Nolan had actually shown with a certain amount of clarity instead of incorporating it into a dizzying hurricane of shots. That shit is elegantly brutal) and about the various stories behind the partnership that put it together.

I didn't know that they went for parachute nylon for the cape because the velvet would get wet and lose its whippiness and I didn't know that Nolan and Goyer and the production designer all brainstormed in Nolan's garage, which makes for a much more cohesive look of the film. I also didn't know that Bale gained TOO much weight after The Machinist. To the point that Nolan said he needed to lose a bit to fit the suit.

I would've liked for there to have been a friggin commentary though. And the comic book interface to get to the documentaries is a little goofy. But all in all, get the deluxe DVD if you're going to get this thing. It's a solid buy.
 
 
Jack Fear
03:57 / 12.11.05
Just watched this on DVD, and was, like Cameron, positively giddy. For much of the first half of the film, I alternately laughed and wept—not that it was funny, or sad, but simply so right. Second half considerably less involving—the Hollywood clichés started dropping like bricks, and, as with most superhero moments, massive letdown set in as soon as the main character was actually in costume—but there was a lot that was good here.

I'd like to go back to a comment of Seth's:

I was interested in the effect that using The League of Shadows has on our perceptions of Batman, in that Batman's violent vigilante tactics seem moderate to the audience by comparison. I wonder how deliberate this downplaying of the character's dubious morality was on the part of the writers.

To make him more palatable to the audience, you mean? I can't say. But by showing the character moving explicitly from vengeance to compassion—rejecting destruction and holding out the possibility of redemption—Nolan and Goyer made me consider something about Batman that had never occured to me before.

Batman is a figure of terror, yes (and I loved how frankly he admits that he is, himself, afraid of bats), but also a figure of hope—something that's been lost or forgotten in recent incarnations of the character.

Batman has always been about punishing the guilty and protecting the innocent—and sometimes the former has been emphasized at the expense of the latter. The League of Shadows's absolutism essentially forces him to choose between the two—and he chooses to preserve life. And that protection, that preservation, defines even his actions against the criminal element——he will save the city he loves by excising the cancer that's devouring it, neutralizing the poison that threatens it.

He ended up following in his father's footsteps after all, didn't he? Not just as a philanthropist, but as a healer.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:01 / 29.11.05
rumors from comics 2 film:

>> BATMAN BEGINS 2

There's a big rumor over at Comic Book Movie claiming that the Clown Prince of Crime may be a lot more serious than normally expected. "the Joker in the Batman Begins sequel won't be zany and clowny but rather, in keeping with the tone of director Chris Nolan's films, will be dark and frightening with a broad smile under his wide-brimmed hat. According to our sources, the Joker will be an x-factor in the Gotham crime scene, sometimes acting against the Batman and sometimes acting against the Mob still taking orders from the League of Shadows. Meanwhile, the Penguin is rumored to be a Russian arms dealer working with Gotham gangsters. No word on the imminent return of the Scarecrow."

Speaking of the smiling sociopath, there's another bit over at Batman On Film that actor Lachy Hulme, long considered a favorite as the Joker, isn't so positive anymore. According to them, Hulme told a fan, "I've been in talks, but the outlook is not good."
 
  

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