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Batman Begins

 
  

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Tamayyurt
04:53 / 19.06.05
Wow, it was fantastic.
 
 
CameronStewart
05:06 / 19.06.05
>>>Will American directors ever come up with a way of shooting action that makes sense?<<<

This isn't really addressing your point, but isn't Nolan English?
 
 
at the scarwash
05:58 / 19.06.05
You're right, Mr. Stewart. I'd completly forgotten that point. I'm stumped for a sweeping generalization I can level at English directors concerning fight scenes.
 
 
Triplets
06:21 / 19.06.05
All the characters drink tea between swings, old bean?
 
 
Professor Silly
07:17 / 19.06.05
I admit I was a little bummed that Ra's never referred to Bruce/Batman as "The Detective"

...although I LOVED the headline "Drunken Billionare Burns Down Mansion"
 
 
Char Aina
10:31 / 19.06.05
yeah.
ras was alomost spot on, though...
SPOILAGE BELOW







...and the scarecrow was fucking awesome.
the scenes with the fear sequences, especially those with batman, were just superb.
batman as a demon, batman as a red eyed devil, crane's horse breathing fire...
they seem to have let go of the continuity of the other films, having the joker turn up in a new guise.
i for one thought jack nicholson was total fucking cack in the first movie, and wished they hadnt played their joker card that early an that cheaply.
maybe we'll get a better run at the character this time.

also, the movement seemed much more batman this time round. that stiffness that seemed so out of place in the previous films just wasn't there this time. when he 'reveals' to rachel and leaps off the building he really looked like batman. half ninja, half phamntom, all bat.

best batman film.
EVAR.



maybe more when i calm down.
if, sorry.
if i calm down.
 
 
Char Aina
10:47 / 19.06.05
"swear to ME!"

heh.
AWEsome.
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:35 / 19.06.05
Well that was just fantastic. I forgot that I was watching a Batman film right up until he grab's Falcone, and this isn't criticism, just that I was completely lost in what was happening. Made you care about the Waynes in a few minutes, made you care about Bruce, and made the 'it's my fault' angle make great sense (also made me well up completely).

Fantastic.

Only thing that I can criticise is the scenes at the burnt out mansion, the country side around it is very English, and very flat (ie no Gotham to be seen in any direction, and he seemed pretty close to at least a busy-ish road when he drove the Tumbler home). But that's it.

My favourite thing in the whole film - Gary Oldman as Gordon, at last they got the character, not some fat nincompoop, or dumb Irish cop, but a good policeman in a bad city. The final exchange on the rooftop was brilliantly played.

Okay, gonna go sit in the sun now.
 
 
louisemichel
14:18 / 19.06.05
About Duccard as Ra's : I think Duccard said something to Bruce Wayne when he burns hoouse along the lines of : you left me to die in my house, implying Duccard was not Ra's at the time of the explosion of the temple but that he somehow reincarnated in Duccard.

About the movie : fantastic. They got everything right, from Gordon, indeed, to Alfred.
Yep, this is a great movie and a great batman movie, maybe for the first time.
 
 
The Falcon
19:06 / 19.06.05
Yeah, that'd be alright and is probably what I'd go for; viral personality.

Is there a better superhero film? I'm thinking, not.

Alfred wasn't camp enough, but other than that, yes. Just touched on so many good things in the mythos; even the 'used to carry a gun' stuff. Bat-tank. Gliding. Releasing the 'back-up'. Loved, loved the Tibet mountainside shit. All of it, which I think is from some Priest/Dixon era? Bit like Daredevil villains, The Hand. I was reminded of Ellis' final Batman in Planetary/Batman, dunno if he mebbe saw the script.

You know when he discovers the cave? I'm sure I've seen two panels in a Batbook somewhere, just like that. Can't figure it.

I'm not even disappointed that it didn't (hardly) use Year One as a template. Not at all.
 
 
Mug Chum
19:39 / 19.06.05
I think Bale needs therapy. Dude could really pull a scary-knight. I could almost see Nolan behind him at the shots, with a tweezer squizzing his parts to get that performance. straight fuckin scary. reminded me of Year One, Bruce roaring as a technique he tell us he learned in Africa (It'd be cool if the movie mentioned he had all sorts of other trainers. Ra's Clan would be his "Magister Templi" , i imagined). Concerning Bruce, i'd hoped he would be more of a serious bloke at times when he is alone with Alfred. But I thought his actions through out the film pretty much implied that seriousness/ bitterness which would be in his characterization at hypothetical "serious, dark bitter moments". Nolan and Goyer injected all in, even if it was implied, said by not saying it, so it could keep the excellent pace.

And, sorry for bringing this up. Was a discussion from months ago. Were you guys really serious about wanting the uniform like the Mazzucchelli version??? That whole Adam West type of thing??? I liked the costume in the film, though could be better if they had gone away from the previous films for good and done something along the line of Lee Bermejo's costume in "Batman Deathblow"... but even that cool, doesn't make me accept the fact Batman would go fight baddies with guns in simple fabric (the guy is trillionaire. he CAN afford something better. AND concerning Mazucchelli's/West costume: would you be scared or understand the baddie's fright with that outfit???).

Nolan made the costume emerging-from-but-never-leaving the shadow. damn good shot choices. There were glitches concerning the costume, but I rather see them being brought up only ten years from now when they'll trash this film 'cause they'll be doing Dark Knight. And I hate it when forums criticize some little thing and I can't look away from it when i go see the film!!!

The movie was damn good. Not even Katie Holmes as the "must -have romantic affair" bothered me. She had a important and justified place in the overall. And she was a whole lot better in her performance than Kim Basinger or Nicole Kidman.

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SPOILERS AHEAD!
SPOILERS AHEAD!
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Everything pretty much made me feel it had it's place, all tied up like a puzzle and it was an brave way of showing the events. Good pace.

But I still have problems with plots where the whole town/ world (in Batman, seems to me at times like Gotham is the whole world and there's nothing beyond. I love that) is in immediate jeopardy (feels too campy-Adam-West to me). The plot was damn fine on the scheme of Year One/ Dark Knight 1 with that "Corrupt, Crime, Madness, Poverty & Associates". But come to think of, that whole "mystic conspiracy that puts the town in immediate danger" pays off. After all, they "created" Batman, and justifies him being a superhero and making him more... grand. Simply put, a superhero. It all fits quite perfectly.

Gotham was pretty nice. Though I expect that in the next films there will be something more of a "this is a city that creates people like Batman and Joker". The BEST description i ever read of Gotham was in the brazillian print of Year One, where there's a introduction text by Frank Miller (which i'm not a big fan...) and it's perfect dead on description of Gotham.

and i hope there won't be so many humourous droppings as well. that was something that REALLY bothered me (the confusing action scenes i really didn't had much problem with)
 
 
Char Aina
20:48 / 19.06.05
you left me to die in my house

almost.
he says 'you burned my house and left me for dead'.
seperate actions.
 
 
CameronStewart
22:30 / 19.06.05
Re: Ra's being responsible for the Waynes' murder

I just saw it again this afternoon and I was paying close attention to Ra's speech to Bruce - he says it was the murder of the Waynes that caused his plan to economically destroy Gotham to fail, NOT the other way around. Their death shocked the city and galvanized them to action to try and combat the decay, which is why Gotham has been "limping along ever since" and remained scheduled for destruction by Ra's.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
23:02 / 19.06.05
You know when he discovers the cave? I'm sure I've seen two panels in a Batbook somewhere, just like that. Can't figure it.

I remember something like that from Arkham Asylum, actually.
 
 
The Falcon
23:22 / 19.06.05
Mmm? Don't think so, but I'll check.

Anyway, I demand Ben Birdie posts about this now.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:18 / 20.06.05
>> "Drunken Billionare Burns Down Mansion"

Yes, this was priceless. As was Bale's hilarious delivery of the 'get out of my house, you syncophants' speech...esp. "No, it's not a joke, get out" People were hysterical at that whole bit.

Even though Ra's didn't refer to him as "detective," it made sense since Bats' wasn't much of a detective in the movie. I wonder if they'll make him more of a detective in the future films...?

And my vote is for Cripin Glover as the Joker, although I realize this is all just idle speculation at this point as the casting of the Clown Prince of Crime.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:20 / 20.06.05
and Gotham was pretty amazing in this --- and I saw the Blade Runner influence Nolan has spoken about in the Gotham Narrows neighorhood section.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:22 / 20.06.05
... & let me add my voice to those demanding Benjamin Birdie posts on this ASAP.
 
 
cusm
03:20 / 20.06.05
Holy crap. Batman was actually scary. I'm impressed. It seemed they actually took this one seriously. Fantastic. And I loved the choice of villians. Two of my favorites, for sure.
 
 
X-Himy
04:25 / 20.06.05
Let me just say again (if I did not say before) that the end was fantastic. That flipping of the card, in a way that everyone knew what was coming... beautiful.

Joke genuinally scares me in real life, and is absolutely my favorite villain. I want that scary Joker (who is also funny), rather than the Jack Nicholson camp Joker who seems to be past his prime.

They could get the guy who played the Joker in the fanfilm Batman - Dead End, who was about as close to the perfect physical incarnation of the Joker as I could imagine. But really, I think I want Mark Hamill. Hear me out. For me, he is the voice of the Joker (did the voice in Batman TAS and the Justice League cartoon). His cackle is shiver-inducing. He is probably a decent build for the character, and with enough makeup, I think it would be perfect.
 
 
Spaniel
06:02 / 20.06.05


Australian actor Lachy Hulme's rumoured for the role.
 
 
Spaniel
08:23 / 20.06.05
Cam, a revised reading of the Ra's/Bruce face-off (I've just been over the script).

Ra's's attempt to destroy Gotham was misjudged and failed when it came up against Thomas Wayne's matyrdom. In a sense Wayne didn't die as his dream still lived. This time Ra's is out to finish the job, he's after killing that dream and everything that Thomas was and is. Bruce, then, is given the opportunity to save his father, and shed his feeling of responsibility for his parents' death once and for all.
 
 
Triplets
08:32 / 20.06.05


I can see it, actually. In my miiind.
 
 
Seth
08:49 / 20.06.05
"You know how it is. You're out on the town, having a good time, someone starts passing around the weaponised hallucinogens...

...had me in stitches.

It's like thinking of a night out with Cass and ghadis.
 
 
penitentvandal
12:20 / 20.06.05
I have to admit, the above notion of Ra's as a viral personality would be a very cool thing to see in a film, and something I think it would be especially interesting to see Nolan tackle, given the psychological bent of this, and Nolan's other films.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:39 / 20.06.05
Box office news:

>> Batman Begins began with the expected big bucks, but not even the Caped Crusader could stop the villainous box-office slump of 2005.

>> The latest batflick swooped in with a solid $46.9 million over the three-day weekend, according to studio estimates Sunday; still, the cash registers rang up 2 percent less business than last year, extending Hollywood's dubious streak to 17th straight down weekends.

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I guess box office has been down for a while in general; probably simply because more people are watching DVDs at home now in the US.

EW gave Batman Begins an A and called this era 'the golden age of the superhero flick.' Amen. These are special times we live in.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:41 / 20.06.05
>> Australian actor Lachy Hulme's rumoured for the role. [of the Joker]

I wonder why...? What has he done that warrants such speculation...?
 
 
louisemichel
12:51 / 20.06.05
"he says 'you burned my house and left me for dead'.
seperate actions. "
Yes, but Bruce knows that Duccard was alive when he left and even Duccard knows that he couldn't have teleported alone in the village. That's why I think it's a kind of viral personality as someone said earlier.
 
 
The Falcon
13:12 / 20.06.05
Yeah, well, I know he's called the Demon, sometimes, but I think it's the 'Ghul' in Ra's Al Ghul that's important here.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:01 / 20.06.05
I read it as him being Ghul all along, especially upon seeing the beard, but then thought about the whole one man is not enough, being around for millenia, and just figured that it was a kind of kill the leader, one moves up, but the league continues system, and Ducard was next in line to become Ghul, with the original plan to have Bruce become Ducard's Ghul's number two.
 
 
Triplets
15:04 / 20.06.05
Anyone can be Ra'stacus Ghughes.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:01 / 20.06.05
I like Benny's read on it.

Ra's al Ghulactus!! He eats planets and has an eeevil goatee!
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:55 / 20.06.05
Lachy Hulme is 99%ish confirmed as the Joker.

You may remember him as "Sparks" in the Matrix Rehashed, making him possibly the coolest actor in the 3 films
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:34 / 20.06.05
>> The latest batflick swooped in with a solid $46.9 million over the three-day weekend, according to studio estimates Sunday; still, the cash registers rang up 2 percent less business than last year, extending Hollywood's dubious streak to 17th straight down weekends.

I thought Sith ended the slump? Didn't it?
 
 
_pin
18:39 / 20.06.05
I read it as him being willing to leave Ra for dead was as good as leaving him for dead, actually. A certain lack of respect for a man who, presumably, deserved more respect then "Duccard" did.
 
  

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