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Doctor Who, Season Four, Non-spoiler Thread

 
  

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raggedman
09:34 / 02.07.08
i think as far as the series is concerned the time lords are better dead, gallifrey is better gone

the only way it could be interesting is if the time lords come back so traumatised by their time war experience that they 'do a master' and all start messing with the universe and lording it up like in the pre-rassilon days and the Doctor has to fight them,
could work for 1 series at least

other than that, what are they for? to sit around on gallifrey being disinterested and ultimately a bit crap and less grand than the idea of them

except Romana i can't think of a single time lord in the old series who didn't cheapen the concept by being manifestly naff/thick/useless on screen

i'm not saying the new series couldn't pull it off, their revisions have all worked well so far
but it's a tough order

krypton, jason todd, uncle ben, gwen stacy, gallifrey all better dead
maybe that's just me...

and i don't get why he would have hidden them and wiped his mind? it's always been presented as 'to stop the daleks meant the destructuion of gallifrey and the death of the time lords'
'oh, actually i just hid them and then wiped my mind to protect them from...the daleks...who i'd just destroyed...because...erm'
unless i'm missing something
 
 
Dead Megatron
10:01 / 02.07.08
All this speculation on whether Donna is a Time Lady in disguise doesn't seem to take into consideration the fact she has a living mother and grandfather, which I don't think fits the hidden Time Lord theory (John Smith was a lonely guy and Dr. Yana was an orphan).

But we'll see soon enough(at least sooner than the Dark Knight, which is the timeframe I'm working with this month)
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:14 / 02.07.08
That planetary engine that Dave is building, didn't he call it a crucible? That was mentioned at the end of the last season wasn't it. The Master said something about the Dalek Emperor seizing control of the crucible.

Unless Dave just likes the word "crucible". It is a good word.

Or Dave's a time lord in disguise who the Doctor's forgotten.
 
 
sleazenation
10:56 / 02.07.08
I think the Master said cruciform...
 
 
penitentvandal
11:02 / 02.07.08
The Master mentioned the Daleks seizing control of 'the cruciform' - not quite the same thing. But there is an interesting similarity between the two words, isn't there?

Re. Donna having parents, I can't help but wonder if there's something we haven't been told there. Donna and her mum definitely have a funny relationship, and I wonder if that stems from Donna being adopted and her mum not having the right emotional bond with her. Is she 'disappointed' because of all the kids she could have picked, she wound up with Donna?

Doesn't quite explain why her grandpappy likes her so much, tho', though maybe he just likes her because he's a nicer person than Mater Noble.

Could be interesting, but I think 'yer adopted!' is a bit much of a bombshell to drop in the final episode, unless of course they're using this last two-parter to seed plotlines that will be followed up in the three specials next year. In which case Donna's mother could blurt it out as one of those crazy things people say when they think they're about to die, and then everyone can sit about awkwardly for a bit after Dr Dave defeats the Daleks. Could even be used for comedy.

Dr (grinning, bounds into room): Well, there we are, Daleks defeated, Galifrey restored, Sara-Jane and Jack getting off with each other, unlimited rice pudding - job's a good 'un. Allons-y, Alonso!

Pause.

Dr: Why's everyone still looking so serious?
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:16 / 02.07.08
Pause.

Dr: Why's everyone still looking so serious?


or, if we keep the usual ending of previous seasons:

Pause.

Dr: What?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:01 / 02.07.08
I like the theory of potential Time Lords being hidden but I've got to go with the question of why. Unless all the Time Lords are now evil, it would be pretty useless to have them back.
 
 
gridley
13:14 / 02.07.08
Unless all the Time Lords are now evil

What do you mean "unless"? Back in old Who, it seemed like four out of five of the the Time Lords was at least an asshole if not outright evil and scheming.
 
 
slagar
13:17 / 02.07.08
The Time Lords don't work without Galifrey, so unless the Doctor found a way to hide the planet along with all the Time Lords, I don't think it's a good working theory.

As far as Donna and her family, if Donna does have the ability to warp reality, maybe her parents believe Donna is part of their reality. (Like Dawn from "Buffy") We've certainly been introduced to enough new realities this season to be able to understand that if Donna is a temp being her family would have always believed her to be Donna even though she might only have existed recently.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:24 / 02.07.08
And Rose said something about there being strange energy readings around Donna since her birth. Considering Tate isn't returning as the Companion in 2009, it wouldn't be at all surprising if her character died. In fact, I'm a little surprised a recent Companion hasn't.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:44 / 02.07.08
I know, but it makes no sense. The thing that's allowing the rules of the game (as explained by the Doctor on a few occasions) to break down seems to be linked to Donna, if not Donna herself.

This just isn't true. The whole thing with the Time War in Nu-Who is that, having upended the previous status quo, everything we think we know (or more accurately what the Dr thinks he knows) about the new status quo has been slowly undermined. Actually, the first example ought really be to do with what everybody else who knows the Time War happened seems to think the status quo is - as revealed in 'The End of the World', all the Time Lords are presumed to be dead, so the Doctor's very existence is the first paradox. After that, we rapidly get: all the Daleks are dead - no they're not; all the OTHER Daleks are dead - nope; okay, but all the other Time Lords are definitely dead, and the Doctor would know if they weren't - except no. So to add "the Time War is sealed off from the rest of time - no it isn't" is hardly surprising, especially once you factor in all the other times things keep happening that even the Doctor thinks are impossible - planets orbiting black holes, etc... I don't see why Donna even need be involved.
 
 
uncle retrospective
19:30 / 02.07.08
So I'm the only one who hopes she's the Master?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:44 / 02.07.08
You have a point, Tamara.

Meanwhile, I'm wishing I'd never opened my big fucking mouth about the whole 'wiping the timeline' thing. I should have known that anything vaguely Phoenix-like would have people here salivating.

Oh, fuck. Donna's got red hair. I think I've done it again :/
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:51 / 02.07.08
Apparently Blue Peter has posted a new 26-second clip. I've watched but it really doesn't tell me anything. I like how tightly guarded this whole finale is.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:57 / 02.07.08
I like that too. And, although I know it's a lot for young minds to hold, I would like people not to tell me things like whether or not Catherine Tate or David Tennant or Peter Purves are contracted or not contracted to appear in the next series. It is actually quite easy not to find these things out, and they count, I believe, as spoilers. If people would like to discuss the contractual arrangements of BBC employees - which may be far more interesting than what they are being paid to depict - then I would suggest they do so in a new thread, please.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
23:22 / 02.07.08
I think the Beeb's just trying to keep a real tight rein on all details because for the most part it hasn't worked out so well. I particularly like the people on YouTube who post the fuzzy set pictures set to some emo song and then speculate. It's good for a chuckle.

Oh, and back to speculation: so...haven't seen that severed hand since the last year's finale, eh? And all of a sudden it's in plain sight in the Tardis? Oh, gee, RTD that's not hamfisted (pardon the pun) at all, is it? Sheesh.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
02:26 / 03.07.08
Hasn't the hand been sitting there in most of the Tardis shots this year? And wasn't it in the Doctor's Daughter a chunk?

Or is my memory inserting things?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
02:35 / 03.07.08
Surely if it had ever appeared at all this season Kali would have noticed it. She's not the type to rebuke the writer of a TV show for something they didn't actually do!
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:19 / 03.07.08
Oh, and back to speculation: so...haven't seen that severed hand since the last year's finale, eh?

He's growing his own replacement.

You all watch, next season it's JasonStathamValyard vrs Doctor Two.

Twoooooooooo! Oooooooh ooh ooooh!
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
08:35 / 03.07.08
Pretty sure that I haven't seen it because Donna's also the type to point out something that could quite possibly cause her to cackle and shriek. (Example: when she sees the hand this past ep.)

I had some sort of minor revelation about the season finale in last night's dreams, but of course, like dreams, I have no idea what the hell it was.
 
 
Saveloy
08:43 / 03.07.08
Apologies to Haus and anyone else who found my previous comment about Sarah Jane Adventures spoilerish. As someone who doesn't usually seek such information out, I tend to forget that if *I* know it, it doesn't neccessarily follow that everyone else does. Sorry about that.

Also, ta to Randy for the Shadow Proc summary.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
10:08 / 03.07.08
We have seen the hand before. It was very prominantly foregrounded at the end of the second Sontaran episode. I remember becasue I assumed that meant it would play a part ion the following episode, assuming that it was somehow going to be used to clone grow The Doctors Daughter.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:51 / 03.07.08
Really? Huh.
 
 
Billuccho!
19:41 / 03.07.08
And it was seen, in the Doctor's Daughter, bubbling away, complete with in-the-midst-of-catastrophe exposition in the pre-credits sequence.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
21:08 / 03.07.08
Well, you've got me there. I wonder why it takes Donna so long to be horrified by it.
 
 
Triplets
22:27 / 03.07.08
If the Doctor regenerates this Saturday, who would you rather he turn into: Jason Statham or James Nesbitt? There are no other options.

I want to see Doctor Jason fighting gangster aliens and stealing jewels in a time-travel heist. And solving Daleks. With his fists! And a sonic shooter! The slags!
 
 
Dead Megatron
22:41 / 03.07.08
And the first he will say after regeneration?

"I'm alive! I'm alive!"
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
23:00 / 03.07.08
I've been reading that folks are currently betting on Robert Carlyle at the bookies.

I just nod my head in disbelief. Let's have the show air before we jump to conclusions, yes?
 
 
DavidXBrunt
04:27 / 04.07.08
I still hat James Nesbitt.

If a spelling mistake is worth making once...
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:43 / 04.07.08
Statham! Statham!

We don't need more of that Yellow Pages peddling goon Jimmy the Dong in our eyespaces. We need the world's most unlikely action hero sensation, preferably using his appalling American accent.

I heard that the next Doctor will infact be a horrible patchwork abomination composed of all previous incarnations of the Doctor and will only be able to say "Mrh?" and "FLESH!".
 
 
Ron Stoppable
09:27 / 04.07.08
Triplets / Llama; as much as I love the notion that

Donna = Temp = Temporary Human, how about
Donna = Temp = Temporal

So we have

Temp(us) Donna Noble

Lady Time Lord?



Doyousee??????
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:31 / 04.07.08
"FLESH!"
 
 
Lama glama
14:23 / 04.07.08
I'd take James Nesbitt before Jason Statham. But he must have tremendous facial hair.

I still really, really want it to be David Morrissey though. He'd be nicely different to Tennant, physically and performance wise, but he'd still be able to do the affable humorous stuff that was occasionally and more than likely purposefully absent from Eccleston's Doctor.
 
 
Seth
15:06 / 04.07.08
I would recommend Jay-Z for the role but each episode would only sell out the day before it aired... you'd be much safer casting Michael Stipe or Jarvis Cocker.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:29 / 04.07.08
I done the temp = temporal bit before. Nobody noticed, but I done it.
 
  

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