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Doctor Who, Season Four, Non-spoiler Thread

 
  

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Triplets
19:18 / 29.06.08
They were there.

Already been spoilered before the episode that Dave Ross was going to return. Didn't think it'd be good but he brings a certain creepyness. Not sure I like them having a humanoid spokesdalek, though. Think they have more menace power as faceless genocidal pepperpots.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
19:20 / 29.06.08
I thought that episode was JOYCORE.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:20 / 29.06.08
Who is Dave Ross? What did I miss?
 
 
Triplets
19:33 / 29.06.08
Did you really watch that episode, Kali? You missed the drums AND Dave Ross?

I think it might be time to be honest and ask the question we all have ask ourselves at some point, and that is, "could it be all the coke?"
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:58 / 29.06.08
So, Dave Ross was coming back after all and that other wheelchair user really was a carrot held out before the chomping slurpy donkey's mouth of this fan who feels that Davros is fucking ace, actually! He didn't fall into the mouth of the Nightmare Child after all.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
21:11 / 29.06.08
Dave Ross = Davros.

Must be that British sense of humor I hear so much about.
 
 
Triplets
21:19 / 29.06.08
 
 
ghadis
21:33 / 29.06.08
Was a bit confused myself there for a split second. I thought it had to do with the confirmation of Paul Ross (yep...Jonathans brother...very talented family!) as the new Doctor starting next week. I think they've made an excellent choice actually.
 
 
ghadis
21:34 / 29.06.08
Shit. I should have done the spoiler thing with that post shouldn't i.
 
 
Mistoffelees
21:37 / 29.06.08
I looked up that Paul Ross to make sure, that guy´s real. Apparently, he was in Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death. Who knew?
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:37 / 29.06.08
It's. Jason. Statham.

Warren Ellis to produce the next season.

I'm telling ya!
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:40 / 29.06.08
It would actually undermine Donna as a character.

Pretty much any "Hey you've got super-powers" Donna related action would. It'd be like revealing Tegan was actually the Phoenix.
 
 
Seth
22:30 / 29.06.08
Donna's been conspicuously saying of herself, "I'm just a temp" far too much recently... a temp what? Persona?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:49 / 29.06.08
A temporal magic doohickey.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:50 / 29.06.08
I honestly don't see any way forward that won't cheapen Donna's character. It's already been hammered in that she's "special" in a cosmic sense a lot. I honestly think any reveal along those lines will take away from her "I'm a human" sort of awesomeness.
 
 
Lama glama
01:42 / 30.06.08
I really want Donna to just remain a simple human, with no god-like abilities, but it's obviously not going to happen. It's not like it didn't come out of the blue, though. Lucius set it up as far back as the Pompeii episode, telling her about the time-beetle.

Okay, it's really late and I can't sleep. So I'm just going to fanwank here for a while. Feel free to join me. I don't know what happens in the finalé, but because people can get very tetchy about speculation here, I'm going to put it in a box.

[+] [-] Spoiler
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
04:06 / 30.06.08
Llama, oh, I like you. I really like you.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
05:42 / 30.06.08
Llama, loving your theory.

Just saw one elsewhere that I don't really like the sound of, but has some merit as a theory.

Calufrax is one of the 27 planets:

One of the 27 missing planets is CALUFRAX, last seen in the original series serial "The Pirate Planet?"

As in, "The Pirate Planet," one of the six serials that made up the season-long "Key to Time" arc?

THAT Calufrax?


Basically, the guy's suggesting that Donna's the Key to Time and the guy with a dead crow on his head is coming back.

It could fit in with RTD's emulation of all things Whedon by paralleling the storyline in Buffy with Dawn.

And fitting in with Llama's suggestion about balance, if Caan can break a time lock, then Donna can certainly open one.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:59 / 30.06.08
Short of turning him upside down and putting a bunsen burner under him, I'm not sure exactly how one makes a crucible out of the Supreme Dalek...

On the plus side, Mr Smith's fanfare.

I am wondering now if Davies is actually going to clear the decks for Moffat by wiping out the brand extensions - kill Gwen and Ianto, leaving Cap'n Jack as the core of a completely reimagined set of Torchwood one-shots, and maybe just knock out Sarah Jane (I don't know what the status of the SJ Adventures is...), to put focus back on the core brand. Having said which, I can't see Sarah-Jane Smith going out like that, and Ianto is by some distance the best thing about Torchwood, so perhaps not.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:25 / 30.06.08
SFX magazine made it sound like Torchwood's going forward with all three surviving members.

Watched the start of the episode again last night, and I have to say Elisabeth Sladen really sells "Ooh shit it's the Daleks!" in that opening sequence.
 
 
Saveloy
10:51 / 30.06.08
I'm pretty sure Sarah Jane Adventures is up for a second series.

I must have been in the lav for most of the Shadow Proclamation bit. Did anyone explain what they actually do? I saw the bit where the Doc zoomed off; is it possible they'll turn up and provide a Get Out of Regeneration card of some sort?
 
 
DavidXBrunt
12:07 / 30.06.08
The second series of SJA has already started filming, minus a whole family from the first run but now with added Russ Abbot.
 
 
Rev. Orr
12:28 / 30.06.08
I'm sorry. Who watched the first series and thought to themselves "You know, what this show needs is more Russ Abbot"?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
12:51 / 30.06.08
Yeah, a friend and I were discussing last night that the reaction shots of SJ, Jack, and Martha when finally hearing the "EXTERMINATE!" message was priceless. They knew what was coming and they knew how bad it was.
 
 
Lama glama
12:58 / 30.06.08
A very mildly spoilerish trailer resides here.

It's mostly just Davros ranting and Donna looking stressed.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
13:04 / 30.06.08
I'm sorry. Who watched the first series and thought to themselves "You know, what this show needs is more Russ Abbot"?

Presumably the same people who thought and when we're done with Russ that'll leave us a slot for Bradley Walsh.

Abbots appearing in the new series of Last of the Summer Wine, so it's a busy year for the Chester based bald comic.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:07 / 30.06.08
On reflection, I rather regret phrasing that as a question, suggesting as it did that I wanted an actual, industry-gossip answer. Ah, well. No more of such insights for me, please, for which see also whether or not Tennant is signed to do (x), (y) is playing the Doctor in the next episode, et cetera.

Sladen did sell the utter despair well, I thought, although the weepy face-hiding when confronted with Daleks, if not an act, seemed slightly out of character. Having said which, is anyone getting villain decay from the Daleks? Rose and Jack are both tooling around with Dalek-killing guns, which presumably have more than one shot - although nice work leaving Gwen and Ianto without any meaningful defence, Cap'n. He could at least have locked the door after him...
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:38 / 30.06.08
Actually, the trailer for the finale really isn't very spoilerish, thankfully. It's mostly ranting because heck, what supervillain doesn't think he's entitled to a good crazy rant?
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:52 / 30.06.08
Having said which, is anyone getting villain decay from the Daleks?

It hit me last season. To be honest they could have cut Daleks in Manhatten out and just had Dalek Sec as the one that hopped into the Time War. This would have had much more impact if we hadn't seen Daleks for a while.

although nice work leaving Gwen and Ianto without any meaningful defence, Cap'n.

I was wondering what happened to that dirty great Torchwood planetary laser that got used during the Christmas Invasion.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:59 / 30.06.08
Like most things Torchwood, it only works properly once, I reckon.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:25 / 30.06.08
The fanwank answer would probably be that it was a single-shot weapon, which Harriet Jones felt was worth using as a deterrent (and Belgrano parallel, of course), to give the impression that Earth could and would blow anything entering its airspace, or more precisely spacespace, out of, or more precisely into, the sky. This would also explain why it wasn't used on the Rachnos starship or the Titanic.

Alternatively, it was technology from Torchwood London that was either destroyed by the invading Dalek or Cyberman forces or scuttled by Torchwood itself in case it fell into enemy hands, or Captain Jack destroyed it or the launch codes in order to prevent it falling into the wrong hands, as part of his campaign to keep anything actually useful from space well away from anyone who might use it (while letting the space Rohypnol and the glove that makes you evil and bonkers get checked out on an honour system). Or, finally, it just takes a very long time to charge - the Sycorax ship was hanging around menacingly for ages, whereas the Rachnos ship was already in the atmosphere and the Titanic and the Dalek invasion were close to Earth and moving quickly towards it when they were detected.
 
 
Triplets
15:46 / 30.06.08
Warming more and more to Dave Ross as I watch the episode again. His first lines to the Doctor are brill. His slightly-off intonation reminds me, particularly, of the G-Man from Half-Life. As Krusty the Clown would say, "I said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet". Dramatic Acting 101 sure but it works for a ham like Dave (and, of course, Other Dave).
 
 
Triplets
15:51 / 30.06.08
I give the love to Llama. Great fanwank!

To spin-on from what you said, what if Dalek Caan is the most loyal companion... to Dave Ross? Sacrificing your brain and rescuing someone from the heart of a time-locked unwar makes you pretty bloody loyal. Would be a suprise twist if he's actually talking about himself dying, being bonkers an that.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:57 / 30.06.08
Sav: I must have been in the lav for most of the Shadow Proclamation bit. Did anyone explain what they actually do?

They're intergalactic police. Unfortunately, they're the rhino dudes from the first episode of series three and an albino, rather than anything genuinely interesting or, y'know, practical.

If there ends up being any truth to this Black Guardian stuff, I will eat my own eyeballs. I can't even begin to see how you could possibly reintroduce ponderous bullshit like that in a single episode without confusing the hell out of everybody watching, with the exception of seven people on the internet.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:58 / 30.06.08
Just watched this again--carefully--and to quote the Doctor from the end of series two, "A footprint doesn't look like a boot." I am pretty sure that it's only Donna's heartbeat we hear because it didn't sound like the drums to me. I think we all want there to be something more to the Master's madness but it ain't gonna happen.
 
  

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