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10:59 / 15.01.09

No, no I'm pretty sure he did zap Bats with the Omega Effect (what with it being his zappy thing) in RoA

11:07 / 15.01.09

B5's reintroduction of the Miracle Machine makes me worried for The Final Fate of Matter-Eater Lad.

11:37 / 15.01.09

Oh, in Rock Of Ages? You hang on right there a second.

*looks*

Yep, it was the Omega Effect in RoA.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:32 / 15.01.09

chairmanWOW: Let me just quietly sit here and watch Roland Emmerich's Godzilla while I savour that statement.

Doing a cover or remake does not automatically make it good, but there are quite a few that are worth your attention, kiddo. Foregrounding a couple shit movies as the reason that NO ONE MUST EVER TOUCH OR RE-EXAMINE OR REMAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S ART is dull, soulless dance music.

Yes, [Darkseid] has leg braces now and wears chinos with a leather belt. What's wrong with me? Why don't I appreciate these things.

Actually, I was speaking more about how Darkseid is presented in behaviour and speech, not just the visual redesign; you don't find him approaching the end here? You don't see that even with his apparent victories earlier in the series that Darkseid's influence wanes, which is why he's attacking Earth? He seems very, very desperate in Final Crisis, to me, and that tone is different than the one Kirby used; I always found Kirby's Darkseid much more operatic, big, booming -- this Darkseid seems to be making a last grab at that persona and failing.

Jackie (dressed in cobras?): And I like that Grant just decided to drop what will surely be the best line in any comic in 09 in the first speech bubble.

Loved Brainy's appearance here very much. Brainiac 5 would be such a wonderful character to write, I think.

It actually seems sort of appropriate that Batman should die by Darkseid's hand, and I can't help, just a little bit, wondering if the spirit of Orion got in there before the end. That would make their conflict a bit more prophetic, and I notice that Batman seems to be displaying God-sight [Vis Shilo: "I come with god-sight now."] right before he fires.

Kismet: B5's reintroduction of the Miracle Machine makes me worried for The Final Fate of Matter-Eater Lad.

I would very, very much love it if Matter-Eater Lad randomly pops up and SAVES THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND ALL TIME. Right at the end.

As far as Libra and Darkseid's defeats go, I'm assuming they're window-dressing for the main threat. Mandrakk? Maybe, and that would tie back to some stuff from pre-Infinite Crisis, but yeah, he's probably going to be defeated in SUPERMAN BEYOND. Maybe #7's just saving the Earth from the singularity, although Barry Allen implied *he* has to be the one to take down Darkseid.

19:03 / 15.01.09

GM Interview @ Wizard about Final Crisis #6. Check it out!

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

19:47 / 15.01.09

So, have the last 70 years worth of Batman stories been retconned into being Bruce's Lifetrap adventures?

Morrison said he was going to bring all Bats' published history into canon.

If I understand the metaphysics correctly, all Brucie has to do now is find the lifetime that doesn't end in anti-life, and bob's your uncle.

Haus of Mystery

19:56 / 15.01.09

I loved the earlier observance that all the heroes have their own save-the-world plans. Spot on. Final Crisis is as much about selfless heroism and bravery as it is the corruption and sullying of innocence.

See Morrison makes me believe this shit.

This is, needless to say, the best super-apocalypse since Zenith Phase III.

20:01 / 15.01.09

It surely is a neat trick allowing all the heroes to shine.

"Godspeed"

Now that's my favourite line of miniseries.

Haus of Mystery

20:04 / 15.01.09

Yeah, that was gold. Transcendent moment.

Grant sure do love the Flashes.

You know, after all the hullabaloo with 'RIP', the ending of this issue still managed to sucker punch me.

Best riff on 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' yet, eh?

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

20:09 / 15.01.09

I really like how the events of Batman RIP pretty much made Batman immune to the crushing despair of anti-life. It's a concept out of The Lucifer Principle (which G Mozz was namechecking a lot around the Filth) which he's used before.

(The Filth, New X-Men.)

The crushing singularity of hopelessness is something that Bruce had already encountered/internalized. He'd crossed that abyss, made that hole into his weapon and thus walks right out of their deathtraps into Darkside's throne-room and wins the battle that can't be won.

I'm (obviously) loving every minute of this.

(Except the shoddy colouring of certian characters.)

Haus of Mystery

20:12 / 15.01.09

Yeah. The Black Glove prepared Bats for Darkseids bullshit. Or maybe Joe Chill did.

Cowboy Scientist

20:42 / 15.01.09

Moz's interview about the Bat-Death.

Cowboy Scientist

20:45 / 15.01.09

Aaaargh, somehow didn't see Andrewdrilon's post. Many sorries.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

21:16 / 15.01.09

"Or maybe Joe Chill did."

His entire life did. Which is why if the Omega Sanction works as advertised, we'll probably have a result similar to Mister Miracle's. A Bat-life refined to Bat-escape velocity.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

21:44 / 15.01.09

The crushing singularity of hopelessness is something that Bruce had already encountered/internalized.

Which is how he communicated with Superman (via J'onn) in Maggeddon, after all -- via the "infrasombre" wavelength of the emotional spectrum (fitting into the dark regions of Geoff Johns's Black Lanterns).

22:21 / 15.01.09

A Bat-life refined to Bat-escape velocity.

Exactly. Who else can see the Omega Blast's final faux-life ending with the murder of Bruce's parents, only for Boy Bruce to go "Hh!". That's his ultimate, annhilating moment and he's lived it, coped with it and turned it into his life's purpose.

Aha! I am Klarion

01:58 / 16.01.09

just to spice up the c-word argument, I present the wisdom of Jarvis Cocker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB6qvvO_Oo4

It's a very Dark-Side-esque song, operating on Anti-Life principles.

02:14 / 16.01.09

Where are the Metal Men in this Crisis? They should be immune to the Anti-Life Equation, unless Doc Willie Mag got hit and pulled them off-line.

That said, where are all the DC androids: Red Tornado, Amazo, etc.? Are any OMACs still operative? And what about the twisted crazies, like Joker? How would the ALE affect him?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

02:29 / 16.01.09

The Metal Men have, in fact, been seen in Final Crisis! Twice. They're shown in the Fortress of Solitude Watchtower in Number Four, as a whole group.

After that, in the fifth issue, they're in that big-ass "Here come the Cavalry" double-page spread with Frankenstein (he's so dreamy!). They're some of the vehicles. Hourman & Liberty Belle are riding in on Lead-as-a-cycle, Blue Devil, Talky, and Vixen ride in on Iron-as-Humvee. Wildcat and Wildcat Junior are on a Mercury-cycle and Mister America and that other guy ride atop Gold-as-a-tank. Don't know where Tin, Platinum, and Copper are, but possibly one of them might be Red Arrow's bike.

One assumes that Calculator or someone may have reprogrammed some of the evil robots for Libra's purposes.

Joker, well, Joker should be like Batman; more than capable of beating the Anti-Life Equation and totally terrifying Darkseid in the process. He thinks he's seen darkness? Well howdy there, Mistah J!

Though, to be honest, I can't see the Joker doing anything besides puttin' on his best posey and finding himself a fiddle to play while the Earth burns. You know. For a giggle.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

02:38 / 16.01.09

And you know, rereading Number Four: "We've gathered superhumans, crimefighters and refugees in six great watchtowers, in a ring around the world." Right under an image of Warmaker reporting in as Superbia (Watchtower Five) falls to Anti-Life.

If only they'd made seven watchtowers...

04:33 / 16.01.09

When were the Ultramarines pulled out of Qwewq?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:16 / 16.01.09

Never. Possibly they're the Ultramarines of some other Earth, or they were pulled out during Infinite Crisis, or when Frankenstein (ooh!) killed Neb-uh-loh at Wing's grave, or...or...or...

05:39 / 16.01.09

At some point prior to Seven Soldiers, I guess. Frankie mentions that they couldn't save Qwewq, so they gave him "Medicine to hasten his end".

We've seen characters like Vixen, Knight and Squire since Seven Soldiers, all of whom were sent in with the Ultramarines, so they must have been pulled out at some point.

I pretty sure we never see it happen on panel, though.

08:01 / 16.01.09

Seven watchtowers

Nice little observation, Papers

10:24 / 16.01.09

You know, rather than having just killed Darkseid, and OMG Broken Teh Vow!!11etc, I think Batman just saved Turpin, and therefore all of mankind, from ruin.

The shot hit Darkseid in the shoulder, not the heart nor the head, and we see those lovely purple Kirby-dots pouring out of the wound. I think Turpin will probably wake up, wounded but alive, wondering why he's half-naked, in a torture chamber, with a bunch of S&M clad lovelies, and what the spiffing hell happened last night, anyway?

Given the scenes with the Flashes, and that Radion is toxic to the New Gods (not humans), I suspect that being hit with the bullet has forced Darkseid to evacuate, quick-sharp, from Turpin, and he's now going to hang around in the form of a big purple moody cloud for a bit, feeling vaguely bewildered, until a pair of grinning red speedsters zoom past, and he gets beheaded by a Black Racer in hot pursuit.

10:38 / 16.01.09

That would be absurdly fun

10:52 / 16.01.09

If it doesn't happen like that, I'm going to remove the pages, make my own, draw them, colour them, letter them, and make my own Final Crisis #7.

It'll be, like, post-modern, man.

11:04 / 16.01.09

The Metal Men have, in fact, been seen in Final Crisis! Twice.

I vaguely remembered this after writing, then went back and re-checked after your reminder. Thanks, papers. They are there, but I'd like more of them.

(And, papers, I like Frankenstein, too, possibly in an unhealthy way.)

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

14:48 / 16.01.09

Jog does up a review over at Savage Critics which throws up some interesting points. He didn't really like the issue and while I can see where he's coming from, I'm not sure we see entirely eye-to-eye. Mind you, I wasn't maybe expecting as much from an event comic, regardless of the author?

The seven watchtowers thing hit because, as much as Jog complains about this comic being patchwork bits of earlier Morrison comics (shock!), it has specifically been called a sequel or result of previous work (particularly Seven Soldiers), so it's doing it's job in that respect.

And yeah, Frankenstein, I demand an ongoing with Mahnke now. Six billion Bat-titles and they can't pump out one Frankencomic?

00:24 / 17.01.09

The shot hit Darkseid in the shoulder, not the heart nor the head, and we see those lovely purple Kirby-dots pouring out of the wound. I think Turpin will probably wake up, wounded but alive, wondering why he's half-naked, in a torture chamber, with a bunch of S&M clad lovelies, and what the spiffing hell happened last night, anyway?

'Twould be nice. There's certainly lots of room yet for more superguys to contribute to Darkseid's defeat--the last we see him he looks far from dead. He may be dying from the Radion, sure, but he was dying already. For all we know, next issue Superman'll douse him with tainted ultramenstruum and then he'll be shot with the Miracle Machine and then the Flashes will Black Racer-bomb him and then he'll coalesce next to an irritated Turpin, who will finish him off via fist.

(Speaking of which, what is Radion? "New God Kryptonite" was a perfectly good explanation back when the New Gods were just superpowered aliens, but it hardly seems adequate to kill a hyperdimensional energy being that can possess mortals and corrupts spacetime on an interstellar scale by its mere presence.)

I like that Batman takes the time to remind us that he kept the bullet in his utility belt, just so we know that it really does contain a solution for everything. And the positioning of the Omega beam impacts on his death page is nicely terminal...one in the head, one in the heart.

04:41 / 17.01.09

Just read this - fantastic stuff. This series has had some misses and some hits, but the last few pages of this issue, the arrival of superman, was just brilliant...I too got goosebumps!

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:55 / 17.01.09

Superman's dreamy like that, yeah.

22:15 / 17.01.09

Much respect to doug mahnke. He's been churning out excellent work for a long time. His style is just right for what final crisis has ended up being. just the right blend of huge and epic, with squirmy, disturbing and grotesque.

Any one else notice how the battle of the bludhaven bridge kind of revolved around the marvel family in one form or another? it was all about talky tawny, freddy and mary, black adam... billy's getting props over in superman beyond as well. all that sweetness and innocence, and it's down to soul possessing perverts, bondgage gear, and tiger men ripping each others guts out.

but... no frankenstein this issue? it's a scandal, I'm telling you. if mahnke doesn't get a good franky moment next issue, there will rioting in the streets!

while everyone is fighting mandrakk next issue, darkseid should stagger, dying, from the bunker talking some shit and promising doom, only to have franky shoot him in the face, and toss him unheeded into a ditch somewhere. the end.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

23:09 / 17.01.09

Or they could get a coffee, and Darkseid could tell Frankenstein about how he feels, down there, in the mire. They'd embrace afterward.

Apparently Superman Beyond #2 is out next week, so I can maintain a feeling of purpose in my otherwise blank anti-life.

12:53 / 18.01.09

And the positioning of the Omega beam impacts on his death page is nicely terminal...one in the head, one in the heart.

Aye. That panel is wonderfully (and fatally) 3D, and packed with velocity. You get a real sense of how fucked Batman is; a moment away from the beams' annihilating payload.

Montoya as proto-commander of the GPA: saw it coming, what with the blank face, but still a nice way to tie it together (along with the Build-an-OMAC boxes seen last ish).

Loved the teen drama of the Super Young Team (I love Aquazon, but Aquazon loves Sonic Lightning!) and Superbat gets the best line of anything ever.

"My superpower is that I'm so rich I can do anything"

Truly the boy is the spiritual successor of Bruce Wayne.

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