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Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:53 / 26.10.07
Hipsters. Those horrible rich trendy people with their fake trendyness. They are not like us. We are real and genuine. What academic studies exist to prove that they only drink Pabst to show off, the pricks?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:53 / 26.10.07
I'm sorry, that was meaner than it needed to be.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:31 / 26.10.07
You weren't too far off the mark, despite the throwing around of 'hipster' being less dangerous than the throwing around of 'chav'.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:32 / 27.10.07
zedoktar attains new heights of vacuousity, starting a thread and then deciding that although he doesn't have time to write the intro post we'll all be thrilled to make up his topic for him.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
21:17 / 27.10.07
you know, I would say that your response was a little too harsh. I mean, sure, it's a crap first post and probably a crap idea for a thread that'd just be another list thread. but who knows? maybe z will come back with something awesome!

I would say that, only I've seen other threads by zedoktar.
 
 
Mug Chum
21:56 / 27.10.07
I just loved that he wrote as if he's talking on the telephone.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:00 / 27.10.07
Fuck, they put me on hold! Wankers!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:05 / 27.10.07
I'm probably shouting too much though, aren't I.
 
 
Mug Chum
22:38 / 27.10.07
I don't think so. It's just about maintaining basic standards of discourse, no?

Something that always bothers me is when people just spout any tiny thing (or doesn't communicate with any issue at hand) and just say at end "discuss". This was basically it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:43 / 27.10.07
I've done that but it was 3 years ago and I was drunk. And slagging off JKR.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
23:21 / 27.10.07
I don't think so. It's just about maintaining basic standards of discourse, no?


I could be wrong, but "damn straight" seems about the right response here...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:32 / 27.10.07
Fuck, they put me on hold! Wankers!

Funniest thing being, reading that opening post was EXACTLY like getting an unsolicited call and then being put on hold by the fucks.

(not a go at you by any means... your joke was just the best stepping-in point from which to make my comment).

And no, Auntie, you were NOT being rude, and I wouldn't even have had to have read any more of Z's posts to say that (though, y'know, having done so the prognosis is, well, not the best, let's say). I don't care whether it's the Temple, or any other non-Convo forum to be honest- in actual, real life, if someone came up to me and said "hey! Let's have a conversation about X! I bet you want to talk about X! I can't actually be arsed to talk about X myself, but how's about you guys do it and I'll come back later" then I think my (hard-earned) reputation as overly-polite doormat may take a serious fucking dive. I'm not entirely sure why the internets should be any different.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:02 / 28.10.07
I dunno, maybe you're right but I worry about putting off newer or shyer posters by getting all shouty. The last thing I want to do is discourage people who actually give a toss how their writing is recieved.

I think I'm taking this place a bit too seriously.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:30 / 28.10.07
In this case you are definitely NOT getting all shouty. C'mon. I'm Mr "don't shout at people". And I don't think you're being shouty.

(I'm also "Mr drunk again", so take this which whichever amount of salt seems appropriate. And maybe lemon. And tequila goes well with that shit).

Seriously, it's all a bit weird at the moment. Nobody knows if they're being shouty enough, or too shouty. We don't even know if people get banned when they allegedly get banned. But for what my opinion's worth, it is that you are not being overly shouty.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:36 / 28.10.07
Thanks, dude.

In any case I think I've really got to calm down a bit. All I seem to be doing ATM is getting worked up over a few people/incidents that, in the grand scheme of things, really do not matter that much. Far more important to be contributing solid, meaningful or just plain fun input than to obsess over the janitorial stuff.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:16 / 29.10.07
At least you're not doing what I am, and only bothering to log in when something away from here has fucked you off and you know for a fact that there'll be something on Barbelith that you can loose yr anger on.

I suppose it's at least providing me with something, in that sense, but that's maybe not the greatest reason for hanging around.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
00:16 / 09.11.07
No-one stops yichihyon!

Why doesn't anyone stop yichihyon?
 
 
Papess
00:56 / 09.11.07
Hey, I was wondering about that, too. Although, I am not a regular poster of that forum, so I thought maybe I hadn't a clue.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
07:49 / 09.11.07
I think El Directo is trying to shame hir into stopping, but his efforts are, so far, made of fail-dough.
 
 
Mug Chum
07:55 / 09.11.07
Not so much his efforts but yichihyon's incredible lack of ability to perceive caps lock irony.

I'm looking foward to see his reply to the last one in Appleseed thread out of pure morbid curiosity.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
08:16 / 09.11.07
I wonder if there's an element of self-parody creeping into y.'s posts - ze seems to be aiming for the minimum amount of actual content possible.

If I were a different, more bitterer person, I'd be a teensy bit irritated by the fact that vapidly content-free contributions can generate more attention than long-thought-out, artfully screencapped and rigorously critiqued opening posts about my favourite animoo series, but who needs to hear about that?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
08:18 / 09.11.07
Given yichihyon doesn't seem to be malicious, just prone posting lists and making posts filled with enthusiasm but very little else, might this be a good test case for a Barbe-niced containment strategy?
 
 
Mug Chum
08:29 / 09.11.07
Niced is always nice, Barbe or not. He seems genuinely enthusiastic, maybe if one's more interested to poke him to it, he could end up making some interesting posts about his beloved subjects for whoever has a taste on what he wishes to discuss (instead of advertising weirdly).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:47 / 09.11.07
Yeah - it might be better to pleasantly move the threads to Convo rather than get progressively more irked in the threads. As Tryphena says elsewhere, we have mod powers, but are often reluctant to use them without discussion or affirmation. In this case, a post saying that the move had been proposed would be good, I think. However, a Music mod would have to do it.

Yichyon seems like a genuinely enthusiastic fellow who isn't entirely up on how we at least like to try to roll around here, but that's just a guess. There may also be a language or cultural issue - again, just a guess. Let's try nicely moving to convo if a thread warrants it and go from there.
 
 
HCE
13:49 / 09.11.07
Does he actually read or post anywhere else? Somebody with a very narrow focus might actually not be aware of the many conversations about post quality elsewhere.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:10 / 10.11.07
I'm annoyed that I've only been back on the board a few days and I've already caught myself chewing two people out.
 
 
Triplets
19:22 / 10.11.07
So, has anyone PM'd the dude? Nicely? It seems like a smooth move to make.
 
 
Triplets
19:25 / 10.11.07
I think El Directo is trying to shame hir into stopping

Yeah, I was going to send Seth an e-mail asking what his "YR WOT" posts were about. Then I was realised (A) that it was Seth and (B) the pattern.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
19:45 / 10.11.07
On the other hand, it's just possible that this isn't the best response to the situation.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:48 / 10.11.07
Well,if anyone were expecting helpful, they might have looked elsewhere.
 
 
HCE
20:40 / 10.11.07
Re: yichihyon: I sent him a PM, and he responded very politely. His next post had more content, so I think there's a sign that an effort is being made. I can understand why it doesn't seem like quite enough, but we have somebody who is posting with enthusiasm in the music forum, not being hostile or aggressive, and trying to respond to some not entirely encouraging criticism with more and better content rather than with taking massive craps all over the Policy, for example. Is it possible to give the dude a leg up at this point? I'll try to get in there myself and post a bit later tonight or tomorrow.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
21:10 / 10.11.07
Nice one brb, that seems like exactly the correct approach to me. I do think the fact this poster isn't shouting about how it's Barbelith's fault that people have ben annoyed by hir posts and seems like decent, polite sort ought to have a strong bearing on how ze's dealt with, and I'm glad Barbelith has people who are willing to put the time in to take that approach. I'd try to help myself. but realistically I'm not that great a poster myself and I don't really feel I have the ability or the right to advise others on how they ought to be posting.
 
 
Tsuga
22:24 / 10.11.07
Yichyon seems like a genuinely enthusiastic fellow who isn't entirely up on how we at least like to try to roll around here, but that's just a guess. There may also be a language or cultural issue - again, just a guess.
That does seem to be the issue, at least the genuinely enthusiastic part. Yichihyon did make some more thorough posts on the first page of that thread, and seems to be trying a little more
now. Glenn, on the other hand, is obviously trying to annoy. How very funny.
 
 
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22:19 / 19.11.07
Bait and switch tactics.

Did Alice Walker write The Colour Purple for attention and money? Did Primo Levi write The Periodic Table for attention and money? Did Coleen McLoughlin write Welcome to My World for attention and money? No - each of them had a truth they wished to impart, a gift, if you will, to give to our species.

I think Amis' horror at what he (rather problematically) calls 'Islamism' is sincere, and not without foundation if you can disregard the thick layer of macho posturing, willful ignorance, horrific generalisation, and cultural preening that despoil his arguments


Emphasis added by me to more clearly point out what Glenn is actually saying under his transparent attempts at misdirection.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
11:51 / 20.11.07
Zippy, I fear you have bungled.

I'm sure you're usually pretty hot stuff at detecting a hidden, prejudiced agenda in a given text, but in this case you're mistaken.

Look at the first passage of text you've quoted. Look at the names I cite. Alice Walker - literary novelist. Primi Levi - literary novelist. Coleen McLoughlin - wife of football's Wayne Rooney, known mostly for, um, shopping. Her magnum opus 'Welcome to my World' is, if you've not read it, essentially a guide to being Coleen McLoughlin, and was in all likelihood not written without considerable *cough*help*cough* from a ghost writer, and - unlike 'The Colour Purple' and 'The Periodic Table' - was written for attention and money. Also, you might want to consider whether I was being entirely serious when I wrote the words a gift, if you will, to give to our species. Even disregarding the above, the first passage you quote was about 'House of Meetings' - not Amis' deplorable attitudes to Islam and Muslims - in which the truth Amis wishes to impart is that the Gulag was a really shitty place. Surely you're not calling him on that?

Regarding the second passage you quote, you seem to have rather convenienty ignored the many, many caveats I added when I wrote that Amis' horror at the problematic construct 'Islamism' was not without foundation. Think a little harder, and try to work out whether I'm saying that 'Islam' (a category so broad as to almost meaningless) should evoke horror, or that the actions of a very small number of people apparently acting according to a very particular and not at all widespread interpretation of a polyphonic faith should evoke horror? For fuck's sake, Zippy, are you really saying it's not OK for me (or indeed anyone) to be horrified by the attacks in New York, London, Bali, or Madrid? If it makes my horror easier to swallow, I promise that I feel equally, if not more, horrified by US actions in Iraq, Belgium's actions in the Congo during the 19th Century, or the bloody War of Jenkins' Nose.
 
  

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