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Spatula Clarke
19:38 / 20.11.07
I like that the Policy thread doesn't even have anybody in it requesting that the board be shut down.
 
 
Feverfew
20:05 / 20.11.07
GM - woah, same initials - I doubt that you'll care, but the Last of the Summer Wine references and pictures are really annoying in terms of trivialising board conflict / other peoples opinions / topics in general.

I appeal to your common sense to stop using them as a shorthand for "Look, just look, at the funny side here, because it's all a joke really, isn't it?"
 
 
Papess
20:06 / 20.11.07
Ah. So, let me make sure I get this in the context of the metaphor. You weren't hitting him, and anyone who thinks you were is mistaken. He, on the other hand, started it last lunch break, and was looking for a fight again.

You want to talk that way to me? Does it make you feel better? There really isn't a need to condescend. There is no metaphor, either. Bullying isn't only physical. You don't have to accept that, Haus, but it is true.

You don't have to accept that I wasn't directly addressing Flyboy with my comment in Policy, but it is the truth. I don;t like that you are trying to force your version of my actions, however. If you are trying to imply that I was reacting to Flyboy's comment in the CNN thread five days ago, just today over in Policy? That would be very, very wrong and not even remotely close to the truth. The only reason I brought up Flyboy's deleted comment was to show a prior prejudice. I certainly didn't have it in mind when I made my sarcastic comment.

Anyway, as I have said it wouldn't even matter if I had been making a direct comment to him, it wouldn't have been abusive toward him! It would in no way justify Flyboy's abusive comment to me.

I think it's perfectly fine not to be happy that people are not convinced by your beliefs, or by your not-belief (in this case, a belief that the apparition was not an insect trapped on or in the lens, or similar effect).

You keep twisting my words, Haus. I never said I believed either way, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest what Flyboy believes about the CNN video. What bothers me are attacks on me based on what Flyboy perceives to be my belief. That is being a bully. Using intimidation and ridiculing tactics that imply another is inferior, or their beliefs are inferior.

What also bothers me is your attempt to make light of this, Haus, by using a term like "metaphor for bullying" and showing support for Flyboy's inappropriate reactions, and abusive comments. Plus the manipulation of this situation by attempting to make me out to be a shameful victim and admonishing me for it.

The Bully, the Bullied and the Bystander: Barbara Colorosso

I suggest a reading of it for future reference on bullying. It isn't just about who started what first. Bullying has a lot to do with how things are done - intimidation and ridicule being hallmarks of bullying behaviour. OH, and that the "victim" sometimes lashes out is not uncommon. Often taking the focus away the actual bullying and bearing the brunt of focus. Mostly, because "the bystanders", those who are not active in bullying or being bullied, don't want to end up being bullied themselves. This whole issue revolves around social insecurities.

In conclusion: my comment wasn't directed at Flyboy, and it is a poor excuse for him to use to justify his own inappropriate behaviour.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:11 / 20.11.07
Ah, well. I tried.
 
 
Papess
20:19 / 20.11.07
Tried what, Haus?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:37 / 20.11.07
Tried to communicate my unhappiness at the appropriation of the idea of bullying for what seemed to be an inappropriate end. At this point, thought, I can see that that is not going to work. Either you are bang-on right about this whole thing, which is certainly possible, or you are far too involved in the idea to be open to discussion as anything other than an opportunity to restate basic principles - to wit, you are being bullied by Flyboy, that excuses your tone and language, your behaviour was not and would not under any circumstances have been abusive, his was, and that this is self-evident because he is a bully and you are a victim.

If you're getting something out of this cycle, I'm glad. I just can't see what it is from here, and I am tired of trying to find a gap in it. I'm also, at this stage, a touch hacked off that actual persecution for one's beliefs is being equated to "people not being impressed by some video footage of an odd shape, and stating that they are not impressed by it". I was happy with none of the behaviours exhibited around that _in the Policy_, and stated so at the time, which you keep ignoring in order to maintain victimhood.

So, yeah, I tried. I hope I don't have to find myself in a situation in the future where I wonder whether I ought to try again.
 
 
Papess
21:12 / 20.11.07
Fine then Haus. You keep supporting FLyboy's behaviour or anyone's behaviour like that, and when myself or any other recipient of it gets pissed off about it, just keep telling them it is their fault.

Yeah, I so deserved ridicule and intimidation. I brought it on myself. That'll teach me. How dare I consider that ridicule was bullying. How dare I consider that I am a victim, and how dare I stand up for myself.

I'm also, at this stage, a touch hacked off that actual persecution for one's beliefs is being equated to "people not being impressed by some video footage of an odd shape, and stating that they are not impressed by it"

Are you actually reading what I am writing, Haus? I am not equating these two things, YOU ARE. People don't have to be have to impressed by anything. That doesn't give them justification to attack and ridicule. I am not upset at all the various people who just stated they weren't impressed! I am upset at Flyboy's attack on me.

I was happy with none of the behaviours exhibited around that _in the Policy_, and stated so at the time, which you keep ignoring in order to maintain victimhood.

What? I don't need to ignore anything to claim victimhood. Are you trying to make me feel bad for feeling victimized by Flyboy? This is twisted.
 
 
The Falcon
21:43 / 20.11.07
May, I really suggest you should leave this for the while because you are presently barely coherent; e.g. four or so hours ago you claim I am reacting well and proper, to this comment which assumes all sorts of characteristics to my post here that are not applicable. One being that I was responding to FLyboy, personally. Two being, that I was setting anyone up as a "victim", especially myself.

But immediately above we have I don't need to ignore anything to claim victimhood. Are you trying to make me feel bad for feeling victimized by Flyboy?

This is a fairly untenable position.

That a single one of your posts was mocked is hardly reason to unprofitably occupy seven hours of your own, or indeed anyone else's, time. I simply cannot believe the claim that your original post which - even if I am wrong - sparked all this, lest we forget, was not directed at Flyboy's two previous. Because, decontextualised, it too is meaningless. Please just leave this for the time being.
 
 
Papess
22:24 / 20.11.07
You are right Falcon. I wish I could leave this alone

First let me clarify, I wasn't setting myself up as a victim in my statement in policy as Flyboy claimed.

Yes, it is awful here at Barbelith and you all should shut it down so no else can enjoy it.

That was my statement. It wasn't directed at him either.

But, I am being victimized by Flyboy's ridicule and justification of that ridicule by him falsely claiming that:

Right. I'm afraid I don't react well to this kind of self-pitying, situation-distorting sarcasm - in which someone already pre-emtively sets themself up as the victim by suggesting that I want to shut down the board so they can't use it, when I have only talked about leaving it myself. I apologise for summarising a thread Chrysis-Euxenia 2GETR@ last! started in l33t speak, although copying and pasting that username and apologising for l33t speak seems discongruous. I'm afraid I cannot pretend that my opinion of the thread in question is high, or that my feelings during the period in which it was at the top of the Conversation were positive.

In order to justify saying this:

- I'm not suggesting this board be shut down: I'm sure there will continue to be a place for people to wonder whether a bug on a camera lens is actually teh unexplained phenomenumnum!?11?23

Which, was a belittling comment, for what purpose other than ridicule and mocking me, I can't fathom.

It all would have been over quite a while ago if there was a sincere apology. INstead there was that justification above and Haus enabling FLyboy and claiming what he did is not within the definition of bullying.

Maybe that needs to be discussed not just in this case, but generally, as to what constitutes bullying speech and behavior on Barbelith because I have seen it before on Barbelith and I think it is really crummy, and it is hard to pin down and easily brushed off. Which is why, I am having a difficult time letting this go.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:35 / 20.11.07
Yeah, as I said, I tried.

I'm annoyed now that I was going to sit down this evening and really have a crack at hierarchies and/or Frege-Geach. Mind now kedgeree.
 
 
iamus
00:14 / 21.11.07
That must suck.
 
 
Blake Head
02:25 / 21.11.07
I just want it to stop hurting.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:43 / 21.11.07
I'm annoyed that I don't have the time to start the banning thread that Glenn Medeiros so clearly deserves and wants. I hope you can forgive me Glenn.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:44 / 21.11.07
I'm annoyed that I've spent so much time responding to certain posters in the Temple when I could have been eating a cheese sandwich, knitting, or masturbating.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
09:49 / 21.11.07
Well, you could conceivably do two of those three things while responding to certain posters in the Temple. Casting off, however, involves both hands.
 
 
Blake Head
12:34 / 21.11.07
Gah. Broken sleep + broken board + repetitive arguments = moaning.

I'm annoyed that I don't have the time or brainz to deal with annoying posters as wittily as Mordant - were llamas indeed. My inverse frown causing un-barbannoys are Mordant and iamus' posts the past couple of days, and the resurfacing of Axolotl (hey! how's it going? what have you been uo to?). But that's about it.
 
 
grant
12:59 / 21.11.07
I could have been eating a cheese sandwich, knitting, or masturbating

Speaking from experience, make sure you remember which hand has been slicing the onions.

IAO! IAO EDAM!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:24 / 23.11.07
Scapegoat
(prev. Wolfangel777)


Not really an annoyance as such but I didn't want to hijack the Pointing and Laughing thread.
 
 
Quantum
15:01 / 23.11.07
Eternal Victim
(prev. Scapegoat)


I really want to change my name to Quantum Goatscaper. Curse the 28 day rule, curse it all to hell.
 
 
Papess
15:15 / 23.11.07
The irony just isn't funny.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:49 / 24.11.07
"Lithers is fuckin crazy... Know what I'm sayin?"
"Hell yeah man."
"Word... you know how lithers be bitin and shit. Lithers be bitin mad styles n shit from lithers man..."
"Yeah, no doubt."
"That's what I be hatin man, I can't stand a fuckin bitin ass lither, wanna use your lines all ahead of time..."
"Word."
"...before you even get a chance, to shine on your own shit!"
"True."
"Nah lithers be killing me though son because, y'know, they be takin, be comin with your words and shit. They hear you say one word, then here they come with the word, tryin to flip it and bounce it on some bullshit..."
"Yeah, yeah..."
"Not sounding like first of all and shit."
"Yeah."
"Yo man, it's like this man, lithers, man - lithers know not to fuck around with this shit. I don't give a fuck how nasty they are. Nah son, let me tell these lithers somethin, god. I don't want lithers soundin like me... on no thread! You know what I'm sayin? For real, cos I'ma approach a lither, man. For real man, I don't want nobody sounding like me, man, for real son."
"No doubt."
"Bad enough, lither, I don't want nobody sound like nobody from my clan. Man keep it real, get your own shit, man, and be original."
"Word up."
"That's all, man. And you'll be a better man. And you gonna come out on your own."
"Word up."
"Whatever. How you gonna take it man? Fuck it."
"Word up."
 
 
Feverfew
18:12 / 24.11.07
I'm annoyed with myself that I didn't realise that this was a joke.

However, this thread takes my annoyance to an entirely new level.

And I like to think that I'd feel exactly the same had the topic starters been switched around. But who knows? Why make a joke thread based on another joke thread? Although kudos, in some dark and twisted way, for picking one of the most annoying songs ever recorded.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:13 / 24.11.07
Would it be wrong of me to suggest that, arguably, the fall of paranoidwriter began with a similar post?
 
 
Feverfew
18:17 / 24.11.07
My post or the music post?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:35 / 24.11.07
Sorry, that in response to On FinaL
 
 
petunia
18:46 / 24.11.07
It's odd, isn't it?
 
 
Tsuga
19:40 / 24.11.07
I know I'm no genius or anything, but I don't think I'm that stupid; though sometimes I read something here and think, how the fuck am I supposed to even have an idea of what that means?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:46 / 24.11.07
It's odd, isn't it

Maybe just embarassing?
 
 
petunia
21:09 / 24.11.07
how the fuck am I supposed to even have an idea of what that means?

If you're refering to my post, it was aimed at the post above, which in turn related to the post reading:

Would it be wrong of me to suggest that, arguably, the fall of paranoidwriter began with a similar post?

Which point I agreed with somewhat and commented It's odd, isn't it? Meaning that it was odd that Final, who is usually rather good at not making the kind of post that left Paranoid Writer critisised, had posted a strange dialogue made up of what we can assume is meant to be some kind of 'Ebonics'.

I was using the linearity of the thread to provide what I assumed to be an obvious link with the post above, much in the way one would construct a verbal dialogue - one phrase linking from the one preceding it. I may have been a bit presumptious here, so I apologise.

Of course, I'm using the same assumption to read your post as aimed at mine, so maybe I'm douby worng...

Does that clear things up a little?
 
 
Tsuga
21:34 / 24.11.07
Of course I often end up being as inscrutable as the next person sometimes because I fall prone to ambiguous humor. No, I was not un-referring to Final Petey Fly's post, which, as far as I can tell, was purposefully confounding.
Or was it?
 
 
Triplets
21:57 / 24.11.07
Petey's post here is, surely, highlighting how he feels about people stealing his material. It's all in the text, people.

Fo shizzle.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:53 / 24.11.07
Meaning that it was odd that Final, who is usually rather good at not making the kind of post that left Paranoid Writer critisised, had posted a strange dialogue made up of what we can assume is meant to be some kind of 'Ebonics'.

I would be surprised if it were not itself a direct quote from an existing source, rather than a sudden lurch into pretending to be Jamaican. This does not seem all that confounding, in aim or execution.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:38 / 25.11.07
Meaning that it was odd that Final, who is usually rather good at not making the kind of post that left Paranoid Writer critisised

There are, I guess, various differences between the posts in question. Presumably there's no need to go into them here.

While a part of me looks forward to On Final's on-line suicide (where will he do it? What is that's going to tip him over the edge, particularly?)I do feel that he'll be missed just as amuch, if not more so, than paranoidwriter. Call me a crazy old romantic idiot, if you will.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
01:27 / 25.11.07
It is indeed a quotation with a few changes.

If there's anyone left here who can identify the source, that would be... inspiring?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:32 / 25.11.07
'Tis the Wu-Tang, isn't it?
 
  

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