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Doctor Who Season 3 UK (No Spoilers)

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:00 / 17.06.07
the Futurekind, who looked stupid

I must admit, when I saw the trailer my first thought was "fucking hell! Captain Jack's gone to a Cradle Of Filth gig! That man never ceases to amaze me..."
 
 
some guy
16:01 / 17.06.07
The Master said the disguise worked too well because Yana was his own person who showed no interest in opening the watch to free him. I don't think Yana literally appeared as a child; it was just a manufactured back story like John Smith's.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:08 / 17.06.07
I don't think Yana literally appeared as a child; it was just a manufactured back story like John Smith's.

Maybe, we don't really know when his fabricated history ends and his actual life as Yana began, but the fact he thinks he was discovered in the Face of Boe's territory has to be more than a throwaway line. I know what I think may have happened, but I don't want to go to far into speculation territory on this thread and I'm avoiding the spoiler thread like the plague right now.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:34 / 17.06.07
Those people in the spoiler thread?

Not an ounce of childlike wonder between 'em at this moment.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:40 / 17.06.07
(Er, what?)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:42 / 17.06.07
I mean I can't imagine why anyone would want to ruin next week for their inner child.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:48 / 17.06.07
There are no spoilers about next week in the spoiler thread, nor had sufficient spoilers about this week emerged to ruin it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:55 / 17.06.07
Well that's as maybe, but I could only assume there were. Because I'm not reading it. Just in case any show up.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:22 / 17.06.07
Dear Jim,

Can you fix it for me to meet Russell T Davies to settle the question once and for all about exactly when the Doctor realised Captain Jack was special.

Thanks,
ROFLADY (aged 30 & 2/3rds)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:43 / 17.06.07
Dear ROFLADY,

I have already done so, by having it clearly stated by The Doctor in the episode!

Yours,

RTD.
 
 
some guy
17:51 / 17.06.07
Doesn't the Doctor say he knew right away that Jack was revived and made immortal? He tells Rose she's wrong to reverse time and bring people back to life in The Parting of the Ways. I assume absorbing the vortex energy gave him knowledge of what Rose had done.

re: Torchwood. I don't think we see Jack get in the TARDIS in the last episode. He must have heard it and run outside. Remember in The Christmas Invasion the materialization is loud enough for Mickey to hear it (maybe former passengers have a special TARDIS sense).
 
 
sleazenation
18:09 / 17.06.07
Only Mickey hadn't been in the Tardis then...
 
 
some guy
18:10 / 17.06.07
Good point!
 
 
iamus
19:08 / 17.06.07
He had though. They escaped from the Nestene in Episode one.

This has been without doubt the best run since Who started back. The whole thing is knitting together beautifully and it seems like the whole head of steam built up in the first two seasons is starting to pay off.

We're properly back into the world. Surely it can only get better and better!
 
 
Triplets
19:22 / 17.06.07
Doesn't the Doctor say he knew right away that Jack was revived and made immortal?

I hope Lady watched the repeat of Doctor Who tonight, from the sound of things it'd be like watching two totally new episodes in the space of a day.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
22:57 / 17.06.07
Master had a Chameleon thingumybob, why all that stealing people's bodies in the Eighties?

Because the chameleon thingumybob doesn't regenerate you or grant further life it just makes you human. Presumably Pratt's highly damaged no. 13 Master wouldn't have bothered using it because it wouldn't have extended his life. All the other versions of the Master since (until Jacobi) have been the Master *possessing* an already human body, not a Gallifreyan one capable of regeneration, so using the Chameleon Arch would simply have been rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The Chameleon arch would have to have some kind of Gallifreyan body to encode in the first place to work, and, since the damaged no 13, the Master hasn't had any.

Also, it removes your memory, and, in the absence of a nice assistant to make sure you actually open the watch, you could end up seriously screwed. The Master's not very nice. He probably wouldn't trust anyone to look after him in that exceedingly vulnerable state. And look. He was right. He got screwed.

So, anyway, it's rather fun that once he DOES get a Gallifreyan body (from somewhere, evidently, shaped like Derek Jacobi) he *is* able to use the Chameleon arch, and DOES.



/...geek.
 
 
Seth
23:10 / 17.06.07
(So we're all agreed I can probably get away with the chan/tho thing once more without it getting irritating yes?)

YO! Reckon you can probably get away with it a while longer.

That ruled. Not since the Jem'Hadar at the end of season two have I seen an episode in live real human telly that starts like throwaway nonsense and finishes on TRIUMPH!
 
 
some guy
01:38 / 18.06.07
Jacobi might not have been a Time Lord body at all. We know that the Time Lords can grant new regeneration cycles. This implies a technological rather than biological foundation for regeneration. The chameleon arch is capable of rewriting DNA. What if it overcompensates in this case, restoring not only the Master's persona but his Time Lord genetic template as well? Just throwing that out there, I don't really have an opinion either way.

(The 13 limit could be based on moral or aesthetic grounds - if we consider the Doctor's comments about Jack and what happens in The Five Doctors it's pretty obvious Time Lords don't view eternal life favorably. Perhaps this is a reaction to their ancient war with the vampires. This also throws the Master's behavior in recent stories into even more transgressive territory.)
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
08:06 / 18.06.07
based on moral or aesthetic grounds

I think it may *have* moral grounds but is *based* on physiological grounds, if we believe "The Deadly Assassin," which, given it's awesomeness, I think we kinda should.
 
 
Saveloy
09:43 / 18.06.07
Bloody marvellous, can't wait to see Simms in action.

One thing I'm not clear on: what, if anything, are we supposed to assume happened to the guys in the rocket on route to Utopia? Did Yana-Master fuck 'em up when he took the card thingy out of the console?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:52 / 18.06.07
What I'm hoping is that the mystery of what Utopia is will be resolved in the next couple of episodes - either before the Doc and friends gets back to 2007, or after. I'm pretty sure there's a reason why so much emphasis was placed on Jacobi's (to my mind haunting) "The call came from across the stars..." bit.
 
 
Feverfew
10:35 / 18.06.07
I'd like to know what happens to the ship, and the last of humankind, also - but I'm intrigued, because wasn't there a mention of Utopia being an escape from this 'reality' as much as escaping the dying solar system / galaxy / universe?

Probably nothing would come of it, but I'm intrigued by the notion of leaving a 'reality' as opposed to, well, 'just' a universe/galaxy/solar system.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
10:37 / 18.06.07
It's funny, the YANA=You Are Not Alone 'twist' is ridiculous and actually quite blah, but the combination of editing, acting and the cracking soundtrack somehow gave it a real kick. The whole episode is a great example of using misdirection in fiction, with the rocket subplot, the future-kind, the Doctor's coldness to Jack as tricks to draw your eye away from one kindly old man...
 
 
penitentvandal
10:54 / 18.06.07
...who I was certain was some future incarnation of the Doctor. I was expecting one twist and they threw me another one entirely!

Oh, and their ancient war with the vampires, do what now?
 
 
The Strobe
11:25 / 18.06.07
Did Yana-Master fuck 'em up when he took the card thingy out of the console?

No. They were fucked to begin with.

I understood it thus: the card in the console had the direction to "Utopia" on. But that's it; it made the Professor think there was a signal. There was never a signal - it was just the card faking it. When he pulls it out, and sneers "Utopia!", he's commenting how ridiculous the idea is, and how foolish the humans - and Yana - were to believe in it.

"Utopia" is really just the middle of nowhere. The Master has rounded up the remnants of humanity, and shot them into the middle of nowhere.

There's still something to resolve - will the Doctor return to the end of time and help mankind continue its existence - but they're going to anywhere.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:53 / 18.06.07
WOW.

As Stoaty said, made of WIN.

Perfect.

Could Utopia = N-Space?
 
 
some guy
13:26 / 18.06.07
re: Utopia - remember earlier in the episode Yana gives his little spiel about hope and the Doctor energetically agrees. Perhaps the Master's snide "Utopia!" is simply meant to contrast with that (recall that before the Doctor arrives Utopia really is nothing but hope anyway as Yana can't get the rocket to work). This is a character who places no value on hope. (And compare again with the hymn sequences in Gridlock, which along with the Saxon remarks this year suggest the season really was plotted much tighter than the previous two.)

re: Time Lords vs Vampires - in State of Decay we learn Rassilon led the Time Lords in an epic war against the vampires and only narrowly won.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:33 / 18.06.07
Which is interesting re/ comments about the Future Kind actually looking a lot like not only Blake's 7 baddies but also all "medieval" enemies from 80s era Who - and with the fangs, like the very Vampires from State of Decay!

Intentional in-joke/reference along with Jacobi looking like Earlydoc?
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
14:46 / 18.06.07
Given the inescapable forces of sci-fi narrative, "Utopia" will unquestionably turn out to be something real and horrid. *How* horrid usually turns out to be inversely related to the niceness of the name of the alleged destination, so I think it's probably *very* horrid.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:47 / 18.06.07
I'm hoping this doesn't count as speculation, as it's clearly not going to happen, but it'd be nice if breaking free of that reality allowed the Doctor to go to the parallel universe where Rose is.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
17:09 / 18.06.07
I actually got the vague impression that the Master was able to regen again because of the Doctor's hand being present when he regained his mind. Yeah, it's iffy, but it would make all of that ridiculousness about the Doctor's electrically communicable DNA in the Dalek two parter mean more in the overall context of the season.

Seems like in the context of Utopia, a lot of the older episodes could have more setup material. DNA stuff from the Daleks two parter, the watch mcguffin from Human Nature, Blink explaining why the doctor can't just go back and stop Saxon when he 1st shows up in the past... hopefully there will be some relevance to the Doctor having erased his True Name in the Chakespeare Code.
 
 
gridley
20:06 / 18.06.07
I think the Master took the Doctor's hand with him just because he was like "WTF? A Doctor detector! Why didn't I think of that? LOL!"
 
 
A fall of geckos
21:15 / 18.06.07
"WTF? A Doctor detector! Why didn't I think of that? LOL!"

Thanks gridley - I now know that I'd pay good money to see The Master talk in lolcat.

"I r the Master. I iz in ur tardis."

"messin wit ur timeline"
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:13 / 18.06.07
REGENERASHUN.

SERIOUS BUSINESS.
 
 
some guy
22:16 / 18.06.07
It does seem to go pretty far back - as far back as the Slitheen episode. What we see in the trailers could never have happened if this "no second chances" Doctor hadn't changed history toppling Harriet Jones and prematurely ending Britain's new Golden Age.
 
  

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