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Doctor Who Season 3 UK (No Spoilers)

 
  

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sleazenation
12:12 / 01.04.07
So, prompted by more controversy about speculation and possible spoilers on the other Doctor Who thread, here is an overtly spoiler free thread for the discussion of Doctor Who season three as it is broadcast in the UK.
 
 
Quantum
16:30 / 01.04.07
Whoo! I really liked it!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:07 / 01.04.07
Yeah, it was great. Still not a big fan of the way Tennant does "big" and "wacky", or indeed the fact that he does it at all, but he's got really good at other things. So much so that I even enjoy some of the random cuteness - "Aww, you've got a little shop! I like a little shop!" - which might previously have grated.

I really enjoyed his curt dismissal of Martha's colleague: "She's slow us down" - it's really easy to fail to make the cut when it comes to recruiting companions, all you have to do is ask a silly question. Or run around screaming. This episode really stressed the whole idea that the Doctor only takes the best, which I think is a New Who idea... Sometimes this can be smug, but not here.

I think the fact that Martha doesn't hero worship or adore the Doctor in quite the same way as Rose did, and he in turn doesn't treat her quite as paternally, gets rid of a lot the smugness. In fact she clearly didn't think much of his remarks about "hooomans", which bodes well. There's a chemistry between the two of them already, I think, which is very different to the Rose/Doctor dynamic. It's more grown-up, somehow. A refreshing change.

Non-spoilery speculation: the Doctor had at least one brother, eh? Throwaway line or something more?
 
 
h1ppychick
19:52 / 01.04.07
Wasn't the "you've got a little shop, I love a little shop" a reference back to the first episode of New Season 2, the one with the catnun nurses, New London or whatever it was called? I think he said the same thing then when visiting the hospital.

I've just watched it (recorded from last night) and thought it was entertaining, showing strong promise for the rest of the season.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:00 / 01.04.07
It is, h1ppychick - in New New York, he laments the absence of a little shop in the futuristic hospital.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:00 / 01.04.07
"Aww, you've got a little shop! I like a little shop!"

I actually thought that was a really great line, it read like the Doctor really thought the shop was a great idea rather than as a patronising you freaky humans comment. That's kind of new and good, I think the episode regained a balance that had been lost when the Doctor changed but the companion didn't.
 
 
sleazenation
21:30 / 01.04.07
I think the Christmas episode also went a great way to normalising the idea that the Doctor has lots of companions without necessarily devaluing Rose...
 
 
Quantum
22:19 / 01.04.07
the Doctor had at least one brother, eh? Throwaway line or something more?

Something more, for sure- they've got to flesh out the New Who's back story at some point, last of the time lords. His origins are the multi-series equivalent of bad wolf etc. and I'm fully expecting more teasers like that, just very infrequently. Maybe the occasional mention of his mum, or his war crimes, or his acquisition of the Tardis.

On the other hand, his brother could be a villain.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
04:16 / 02.04.07
Well, he's already mentioned he used to be a Dad - which is something we many of us surmised, as we've known he was a grabdfather from the beginning, but the fact it's been explicitly stated for the first time leads me to expect it might be explored at least a little.

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about that. I mean I've always operated on the assumption that something dad happened to his child/children, as I think this explains a lot about his motivations and his paternalistic relations with most of his companions, and indeed most of the universe, but I'm not sure I'd like it if anything along those lines was explicitly stated - I mean at the moment I'm free to operate on that assumption, but equally those fans who don't like to even think of Susan as his real granddaughter are free to think that as well.

Still whatever happens with regards to the Doctors family I really, really want some exploration of what happened to Susan during the time war. I mean one presumes that she's as dead as the other Time Lords, but if that's the case it's something I would like comfirmation on.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:53 / 02.04.07
The brother idea was one that circulated a lot during the Jon Pertwee years, so it'll be a matter of waiting to see if it's used the same here or in some other way. If the Doctor is the last of his race it seems a little odd they would bother bringing up these people that he didn't seem to have anything to do with while they were alive.
 
 
Jared Louderback
05:24 / 02.04.07
All I have to say is:

WOW TOTALLY AWESOME! Even if the episode wasn't good, I would have been happy because it's the first new tennant/dr who fix I've gotten in the last four or five months. But it was such a good episode! I am full of joy right now.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:02 / 02.04.07
Martha definitely doing well in the first episode - but what's with the Rose Tyler accent? This is really my only beef with the new companion so far, apart from the fact that she played a different character in the same continuity (ARG RUSSELL YOU KEEP DOING THIS)

It's not Freema's fault, obvs.; she's an actor, she does what she's told - but what a fucking boring choice to make the companion
a) from London
b) speak Cockney-Lite
c) from the modern day
JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:02 / 02.04.07
And when are we going to get a female Doctor, eh?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:22 / 02.04.07
More later (planet zovirax) but for now see this (not spoilers)
 
 
Lama glama
12:04 / 02.04.07
Martha on Myspace.

It's the first obvious external website this year, like last year's Torchwood ones, or the year before's Who is Doctor Who. It's a good read.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:07 / 02.04.07
Apparently the actress who plays Martha is from Finsbury Park so that could just be, you know, her accent.
 
 
Triplets
14:11 / 02.04.07
Good tidbits from Martha's myspace blog. First thing to jump out at me:

Wherever I go in life, am I going to end up with a best mate who isn't really interested in what I think but sees me as some kind of emotional crutch?

What? Like a grieving, manic spacelord? With great hair?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:55 / 02.04.07
Apparently the actress who plays Martha is from Finsbury Park so that could just be, you know, her accent.

Fair point, but she is an actress and I'm sure if she were asked to do a different accent she'd be able to stretch to it - likesay, not her fault - it's Russell T's lack of imagination I'm blaming in this case. (Not usually an accusation I'd level at him, btw.)

And I suppose normally-posh Billie's slightly overdone corblimeyguvnor twang got to me after a while, and I was hoping for some sort of respite ...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:56 / 02.04.07
Maybe she was crap and they gave up or maybe they wanted a Londoner so they could throw in the razz about invasions and all.
 
 
Triplets
15:29 / 02.04.07
Was Rose's accent really that bad? I'm from the norf so I suppose it might've been the same to Londoners as a shit Liverpudlian/scouse accent is to me (you know whad I meaaann, like?). The 'Hollywood Movie Goes To London' effect.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:39 / 02.04.07
Two references to somebody called 'Mister Saxon', one from the young (small d) doctor being interveiwed, and one in some grafitti.

Planet zovirax!

Little shop.

Space rhinoceri.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:17 / 02.04.07
Graffiti? Was that different from the one on the flyposter? If so I guess that's three.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:47 / 07.04.07
WOW
 
 
Triplets
17:52 / 07.04.07
A MAN IS GLAD HE WATCHED THAT. FORSOOTH.
 
 
Spaniel
17:53 / 07.04.07
MUM, I'VE JUST SEEN DR WHO AND IT WAS GOOD!
 
 
Feverfew
17:54 / 07.04.07
It was good stuff, wasn't it?

Although I had to chuckle after the "Yes, it's political correctness gone mad" line.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:13 / 07.04.07
Tom Stoppard is very pissed off just now. A result in itself.
 
 
Internaut
18:14 / 07.04.07
i liked it.

tonight was not as good, however. i just don't usually go for that kind of episode. when you watch a programme that has a "last-of-his-race-time-travelling-humanoid-alien" as its protagonist, it sort of demands villains with huge guns and shiny ships, not the kind of antagonist shown tonight.

im just "TV-shallow" that way. at least i am when it comes to Doctor who. its not a show that i expect to achieve spiritual oneness or a greater understanding of society from just by watching it. i just want to be entertained for 45 minutes.
 
 
Spaniel
18:23 / 07.04.07
A Dr Who that was all shiny spaceships doesn't sound a lot like Dr Who to me.

Keir, you are not allowed to produce this show.
 
 
sleazenation
18:30 / 07.04.07
Just out of interest, keir, how much Dr Who have you seen?
 
 
raggedman
18:34 / 07.04.07
two for two. that was cracking crackling fun. I'd moan about the 'words' to allow the carrion entry actually being numbers and the quotation game joke wearing thin but that would be churlish.
Queen Bess! how many monarch's has the doctor hacked off now?
I haven't enjoyed 45 minutes of telly so much since...well, last week.
 
 
Internaut
18:35 / 07.04.07
heh, true, although i never said that shiny ships is all doctor who is, i said shiny ships is what i would expect from a programme of its premise. i realise it has to have variety, and i realise it has to appeal to a wide audience, and i understand that, but the villain the latest episode is not something enjoy in a science-fiction programme.
 
 
Spaniel
18:39 / 07.04.07
It's not about appealing to wide audience - well, okay it is, but that's not my point - it's about Dr Who being rather stranger than your average sci-fi. It's about what makes it distinctive.

You can get big guns and shiny ships anywhere. You can't get what Dr Who does anywhere else for love or toffee.
 
 
sleazenation
18:42 / 07.04.07
Fair enough Keir - there are plenty of premises that, as a rule, really turn me off when it comes to fiction settings.

But yeah - Doctor Who has a long and illustrious history magic revealed as science...
 
 
Lama glama
18:48 / 07.04.07
heh, true, although i never said that shiny ships is all doctor who is, i said shiny ships is what i would expect from a programme of its premise.

Well, shiny ships are a small part of what Doctor Who is about, maybe when he's in the far future or something, but the TARDIS is a timeship too. In fact, since the show returned, it's been more about the time travel aspect, showing his new human companions what has come before or what will come (which is where we have shiny ships).

Actually, the more I think about the shiny ships and villains with big guns thing, the more it irks me. Historically, Doctor Who has had very few villains that happily fit within the usual science fiction villain categories. It's more about presenting items and entities from our every day lives, history, fairy tales etc, and skewing them to make them suitably menacing and fearsome. A lot of science fiction/horror thrives on a fear of the unknown, but Doctor Who enjoys presenting things that we think we know a lot about from other media, and then doing them in a completely novel way.

Rambling now, so will stop.

Wonderful, excellent episode. Easily the best historical episode since Mark Gatiss' "The Unquiet Dead." The humour was very rapid fire, and despite this it was generally excellent. Martha's getting a lot better, but unfortunately didn't have much to do. My sibling pointed out that she didn't seem to make the same interpersonal connections that Rose had a knack for, but it's early days (plus, she is an entirely different person). Tennant is really spot on now, isn't he? There was a teeny bit of the "aren't humans brilliant?" malarky, but other than that, I think he has the part nailed this year.

Best bit:
"57 academics just punched the air in unison."
 
  

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