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Doctor Who Season 3 UK (No Spoilers)

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

14:53 / 02.07.07

Oh, and Jack being the Face of Boe- MADE OF WIN AND AWESOME.

(All this "made of" stuff is making it doubly imperative that I track down an mpeg I saw last week of the Master with the Toclaphane balls flying around saying "MY POKEMANS. LET ME SHOW YOU THEM").

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:04 / 02.07.07

It kind of amazed me that people were complaining about this and the use of 'Voodoo Child' when we had 'Toxic' way back in the second episode of New Who.

Well, I think the same people complained about that, as well...

Mysterious Transfer Student

15:04 / 02.07.07

Oh, and can we start treating "this isn't really Doctor Who" and "the real Doctor would act like this instead" the same way we treated "she is a plant" and "he has a gameplan" in Big Brother threads?

I think that, glowy Jesus ending notwithstanding (and as an anime fan I'm quite comfortable with endings where the world is saved with the power of love rather than, or combined with a massive punch-up) this show is more Who now than it's ever been.

(Of course, my reaction to the news that Japan had been razed to the ground was a shameful gulp of "Shit! We're still in the filler arc on Bleach!", but that soon passed.)

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

15:21 / 02.07.07

Yeah, I loved the use of pop music in the last two episode - I'm not sure I'd have loved it had it been used as random, topical incidental music, but as the Master was actually playing these bits of music it rocked immensely. Nothing says both smug and crazy at the same time quite as efficiently as playing bits of appropriate light and cheerful pop music at just right moment.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:47 / 02.07.07

And now, of course, comes the really fun part, when all us "no spoiler" types get to read the spoiler thread and find out which bits were true!

16:03 / 02.07.07

I though The Doctor said something about how it would let him go anywhere twice, the second time to apologize. Could have been a joke I suppose.

"I can't have you going around with a working time travel device. You'd go everywhere twice - the second time to apologise".

It's a joke about Jack fucking people. The wrist thing is kaput.

17:44 / 02.07.07

She is, at least compared to Rose, passive

Demonstrably untrue. Martha has to save the Doctor in 'Smith and Jones', 'The Shakespeare Code' and '42'; she has to look after him and the Tardis in 'Human Nature'/'The Family of Blood'; she even has to get a job to support him in 'Blink'.

Maybe I'm remembering it badly, or maybe I am just reading the Doctor's encouragement of Rose as "independence", but one the reasons I didnt like Martha much as a character was precisely because I thought that she tended to faithfully do what she was told with barely a mumbled argument. I seem to remember Rose at least occasionally disobeying the doc and while Martha had the capacity to be more than an appendage (Smith and Jones showed that), I thought that she usually did little more than work hard at following orders. Being a servant to look after someone or getting a job to support them can be read quite easily as self sacrificing submission.

Still, we all agree that the Master singing I cant decide was glorious, right?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

20:12 / 02.07.07

I thought that she usually did little more than work hard at following orders.

Fair point, though as a medical student (reading wrong things into stuff AHOY!!!) she's there to learn from Doctors, right?

06:42 / 03.07.07

What I liked particularly was how this last episode simultaneously had the highest and lowest bodycount in Nu-Who history. Highest because he destroyed Japan, for fuck's sake, and lowest because in the end none of it happened. They really should have had a scene between the Doctor and Martha in the Tardis where the Doc goes 'why look, Martha, I have a cake! Hold on a moment while I eat it.'

Ah, ignore me. I'm just jealous because I would have loved to see a fourth series of Who set in a BSG-style, post-apocalyptic world, with the Good Doctor shepherding what remains of the human race to its eventual renaissance.

Oh, and am I very, very wrong for wanting very, very badly to see at least one episode featuring the twisted adventures of the female Master (the Mistress?) and her submissive male companion?

Think about it...The credits play, but with the master's music instead of the Doctor's...A dark version of the Doctor Who oval passes across the screen with 'The Master' written inside it...then we get an episode detailing the Master's nefarious scheme from her point of view, ending with the arrival of the Doctor and companion(s). In fact the ending can be the same cliffhanger from the previous Doctor episode, only from a different perspective. If nothing else it's a really good way to do a Doctor-lite episode...

06:45 / 03.07.07

Oh, and incidentally, re-watching 'The Sound of Drums':

Mr Saxon is a politician who has made up a background including spending time at Cambridge and athletic success, and yet it's all a lie...

OMG Mr Saxon = Jeffrey Archer!

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:41 / 03.07.07

I thought that she tended to faithfully do what she was told with barely a mumbled argument

I didn't get this impression at all - in her third outing with the Doctor, just after he's rescued her from being car-crushed by a giant crab, she gets cross and refuses to get back into the Tardis until he cuts out some of his enigmatic nonsense out. I know Rose asked him out his home planet and had a bit of a tiff with him as well, but her moments of disagreeing with him, with the exception of 'The Parting of the Ways', always seemed less rational/justified to me, more like... tantrums.

Whisky Priestess

13:17 / 03.07.07

OMG Mr Saxon = Jeffrey Archer!

Oooh yes and Lucy can be Mary Archer! Dutiful, long-suffering and totally fragrant.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

13:46 / 03.07.07

Hmmm, with regards to Martha, I think that a lot of the reason she tends to do exactly as the Doctor asks her isn't because she's subservient to him in any substantial way, it's precisely because she is a very intelligent, competent individual that she realizes that the Doctor is infinitely better qualified to make calls about what to do in the sort of situations they find themselves in. In life threatening situations, involving time travel, monsters and aliens it's not submissive for Martha to do what the Doctor says, it's just, well, sane. As has been noted she's shown she's more than happy to stand up to the Doctor when she thinks she needs to, once the bullets have stopped flying.

14:00 / 03.07.07

Oh, and am I very, very wrong for wanting very, very badly to see at least one episode featuring the twisted adventures of the female Master (the Mistress?) and her submissive male companion?

Yes, velvetvandal, you are very, very wrong. I am wrong in a similar way, and would love to see a 'Jack chases Mistress across time and space' spinoff series called 'The Master' instead of Torchwood, screened very late at night and full of kink and slash. And pop.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

16:15 / 03.07.07

Can I be very, very wrong, too?

20:03 / 03.07.07

I love what Russell is doing as it's redefining my favourite show of my own childhood into the favourite show of the kids of today.

And it rekindles the excitement I felt when the theme tune howled into my ears back then. It makes me care about what I'm seeing and hearing.

like this.

I'm lucky. I can forget complaints about not sci-fi. About it being Harry Potter. About pop music. About emotions over logic.

It's glorious and I love it.

And imagine if you'd picked up 'Last of The Time Lords' with the credits "writer: Warren Ells, artist: Bryan Hitch" at Mega-City... Russell's been reading our books too. Yes!

08:37 / 20.10.11

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