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Doctor Who Season 3 UK (No Spoilers)

 
  

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Spaniel
18:51 / 10.06.07
What a fantastic monster concept. I've been struggling to think of the last time I came across one that good - cribbed off the game, obvs, but what a lovely bit of lateral thinking.
 
 
sleazenation
19:46 / 10.06.07
I still have a soft spot for the scribble monster from Fear Her...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:43 / 10.06.07
Boboss: What a fantastic monster concept.

The implementation made it - it's stood in the corner, covering its face, blink and it's suddenly right in front of your eyes, screaming its fucking head off.
 
 
Lama glama
23:17 / 10.06.07
When that angel towered above Larry and Sally with its distorted face I actually screamed. It was the first time Doctor Who ever made me shriek with horror at one of its monsters.

Excellent Moffat script with lots of little references to itself. Sally's "don't look at me," mirroring the angel's predicament. Billy's niggle about the TARDIS having the wrong sized windows a possible throwback to Logopolis, all excellent.
No banana reference though! What's a Moffat episode without a banana?
 
 
fish confusion errata
23:26 / 10.06.07
It used a lot of elements from Moffat's great story in last year's DW annual.
 
 
Billuccho!
23:44 / 10.06.07
Yeah, but they can't escape 1969 until Sally sends the TARDIS back, so there should be older versions of them in her time, right up until the point that she sends it on its way, at which point those older versions would cease to exist.

Because that's not how time works on the show, from all I've seen.

Billy's niggle about the TARDIS having the wrong sized windows a possible throwback to Logopolis, all excellent.

I thought it was a jab at Outpost Gallifrey posters who all whined about how the police box didn't look like an actual police box.
 
 
The Strobe
06:39 / 11.06.07
"I've been talking this over with the guys-"

"You mean the Internet, right?"

Busted.

Still: wonderful, wonderful episode. Sally's a great character - I think that the audience reaction to her is in part due to the fact that she comes across as just too strong for a "guest extra"; what that tells me is that the quality of the writing was distributed fairly evenly around.

I liked the intimation that (as of now) the Doctor and Martha have had quite a few adventures we've not seen, and we're not doing back-to-back stories with tham. That was good.

Also, the monsters were fucking terrifying. Especially that shot panning away from the house with them standing in the windows. And the teeth. I thought it was pretty scary, so I have no idea what ten-year-olds around the country will think. Especially after the ending, where it just flash-cuts around every statue they could find, and replays the "don't blink" footage.

I am hoping Human Nature, Family of Blood, and Blink will all end up on the same DVD, because I'd totally buy that.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
07:24 / 11.06.07
Bugger, bugger, bugger. When does it repeat on terrestrial? Does it? Bugger, bugger.
 
 
Saveloy
07:38 / 11.06.07
Faaaan-facking-tastic. These were the first monsters that my son was actually scared of.

I liked that they were like Medusa in reverse - you HAVE to look at the monster and IT turns to stone. Wonder if that was a deliberate ref?
 
 
Spaniel
10:09 / 11.06.07
The implementation made it - it's stood in the corner, covering its face, blink and it's suddenly right in front of your eyes, screaming its fucking head off.

Sho'nuff. Had we actually seen them move they wouldn't have had anything like the same impact.

Sav, while I think there's a smidgen of Medusa there, obvs, I thiink the primary inspiration was probably the game, Statues

Can't wait until my son is old enough to hide behind the sofa.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:37 / 11.06.07
Bugger, bugger, bugger. When does it repeat on terrestrial? Does it? Bugger, bugger.

If you (or a friend with a video) has freeview then it repeats on Friday on BBC3.

I thiink the primary inspiration was probably the game, Statues

Definitely.

I really enjoyed this one, it's a shame that this season has (IMO) only really found it's stride on the final stretch. From 42 onwards the shows have all been great.

Loved the use of classic tricks for time travellers in the past to communicate with the future (see Tosh you don't need to self-harm and write messages in blood). For a 45 minute episode it really felt jam-packed with storyline. Even the "redshirt" characters projected great personality (I liked Kathy's determined walk across the field, not in shock due to suddenly being temporally displaced, she's off to try and sort things out).
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
13:19 / 11.06.07
...because this is all how Sally's folder tells him it has to happen.

And that's the crux of it. This episode is one of the best examples of a "closed-loop" time travel story I've seen in recent memory. Everything ties up neatly, there are no paradoxes and the primary rule of closed loop time travel is maintained: everything that happened, happened.

In other words, "closed loop" time travel stories rely on time not being something you can "change" (in other words, you can't have both an old doctor who survived since '69 and not have an old doc who survived since '69) and instead present time paradoxes and such as a framework you have to work within if you're going to effect other eras.

The closed loop thing takes on greater significance when considering the nature of the villains, too. Essentially, the story of "Blink" became "quantum locked" when Sally handed off the folder to the Doctor. Things HAD to happen the way they did, because that's how she observed them.

I really liked this episode.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:56 / 11.06.07
I liked the Sparrows and Nightingales stuff. I know there is an electropop song by Wolfsheim called that, any other references out there or was it just a clever play on the names?

I have to echo what has already been said, I watched this with the wife and damn, we were spooked. The first shot of the angel's face, with the claws extended. Eek, I am worried about it now. The 'Fear Forecast' is off the charts for this one. Also, I am not sure if I should be happy or sad that I had the same reaction to an episode of Who as 8-14 year olds...

I think this was a very solid episode and might be my favorite of the New Who.
 
 
Spaniel
19:14 / 11.06.07
That Fear Forecast thingy is bloody brilliant. It's made me desperate to watch Dr Who with the Bosun. In a couple of years, I reckon.
 
 
Seth
02:44 / 12.06.07
That was utterly, utterly brilliant.

And fucking terrifying when you're watching it at half three in the morning on your monitor with your back to the entire flat.

I don't scare easily. Well done all concerned!

Fancying Sparrow. Not as much as Rukia but again, well done!

Maybe we could start a thread on having serious crushes on fictional people. YO!
 
 
penitentvandal
07:46 / 12.06.07
Although why do people in these situations always seem to fall for the first person they meet?

Wobbly bridge effect.

Psychologists have done experiments, very serious and scientific experiments, which involve having male and female participants meet up in one of two different locations: a stable, unmoving bridge, and a wobbly suspension bridge. What's been discovered is that participants always rate the person they meet on the wobbly bridge as more attractive. The theory is that, when you're in a situation that's a bit frightening or stressful, you develop stronger feelings of attraction towards people because bonding with them makes you feel more secure.

Now, if you'd been shot back in time in a manner you couldn't explain, and the last thing you remember from your own time was an angel statue with a horrible screamy face, you'd be pretty scared, and therefore more prone to the wobbly bridge effect when you encountered someone.
 
 
Seth
22:10 / 12.06.07
Hmmm... how might I put this wobbly bridge to good use in the field...? Let me count the ways.

Damn. They all involve being on a bridge. This could take some doing...
 
 
Triplets
23:52 / 12.06.07
Best line round-up!

"The angels have the phonebox"
"Oooh, that's my favourite part. I've got that on a t-shirt"


"I work in a shop! I've got to support him!"


"Stop saying "Hull"!"


Anyway to partially justify this post: It occured to me that it was, wobbly bridges aside, strange that the two people we saw the angels send back ended up living really fulfilling lives. Perhaps the angels somehow have the ability to not only send people back in time to die but to alter their destinies? They end up having really good, if quiet lives, that means they're content enough not to interfere with the angels in the past? No-prize, please.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:10 / 13.06.07
Didn't the Doctor say something about the angels killing people with kindness? People get sent back into the past, they live lives where they land on their feet, but they just don't get to live past the present day.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:22 / 13.06.07
I think he meant that the way they kill you doesn't actually kill you, the two victims we actually see dropped into the past were the lucky ones (Kathy luckily ran into someone she "clicked" with, Billy was found by The Doctor and Martha).

The Angels get the potential energy of the life you would have lived and you live an actual existence in the past.

That said, one imagines anyone who tries to assassinate Hitler or something like that gets curbstomped by Reapers.
 
 
Chew On Fat
09:02 / 13.06.07
Another stupendous episode. Very tightly plotted.

When I were a lad we called the 'statues' game '1-2-3 Red Lights!' which was what the 'curator' had to say while hir back was turned. You could say it fast or slow or speed up/slow down in the middle before turning around.

There are probably as many different versions of playground games as there are playgrounds of course.*

Regarding the 'wobbly bridge'effect, there is also another aspect to it. It's not just that you are attracted to someone who can help you feel secure and comforted after a dangerous experience, there is also the fact that your system is flooded with adreniline, your heart is beating fast, your mouth is dry etc.

Your brain says, 'I'm feeling all the symptoms of falling in love/lust, therefore I think I'm attracted to this person!' Our subconscious isn't too rational sometimes.

* Just for the thrill of seeing it up in the World Wide Interweb, the big game at my tiny country Primary School was 'Tour Our' which was a local accent way of saying 'Tower Over'. I'm fairly confident no other school before or since has ever had a game with the same name. That little school is closed now so we were the last of many generations to play it!

(Apologies for the digression - but perhaps the episode under discussion ties in with the melancholy expressed in that last sentence!)
 
 
DavidXBrunt
13:48 / 13.06.07
A couple of general points of possible interest -

Steven Moffatt is interviewed in the Doctor Who Magazine that's currently on sale. Very entertaining it is too.

Moffatts first story featuring a Sally Sparrow is now online at the beeb site, it's from the 2006 Panini Annucal and it's my nieces favourite. Mine too.

B3ta have already absorbed the statues and there's a short doodah on their main page.
 
 
DaveBCooper
10:40 / 15.06.07
Watched this the other night, and Moffatt can do little wrong, it seems (you folks are aware he's writing the Jekyl update on BBC1 this weekend, right?), but I have one question: who threw the rock in the pre-titles sequence?
Though maybe I need to watch it again.
 
 
Triplets
10:45 / 15.06.07
The angel.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:54 / 15.06.07
Not sure why though.

Perhaps it was a little sleepy and needed to be q-locked for a nap?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:17 / 16.06.07
OK, I've missed Who for the last three weeks, so I've just watched them all back to back, and fuck me if they weren't some of the best episodes ever.

I nearly saved Blink for tomorrow (won't get to see tonight's until I can Torrent it) because I wanted to keep the memory of Family Of Blood untainted in case it was an average one... but fuck.

The two-parter was quite possibly even better than The Empty Child, which was my favourite New Who so far. It had real heart to it, as well as spooky scarecrows and some cool fucking-with-time shit. I liked how, just as it's only by becoming human that we get a real glimpse of what the Doctor actually IS, it was only by fucking with the established formula that we got a story that did Who perfectly. I like these glimpses we're getting of how the Doctor is from others' POVs... that he really is this unknowable force of nature or insane God, and when we're not right there with him seeing things the way he and his friends do, he can be pretty fucking weird shit to deal with.

Which brings me neatly onto Blink- fucking killer. The statues were genius monsters for all the reasons described by other posters- supremely creepy and guaranteed to scare the shit out of adults and children alike. Also as someone's said, a perfect closed-loop time paradox... the only thing I didn't get (but there are a myriad ways in which one could No-Prize one's way out of it) was something complicated about Laws of Thermodynamics and energy which I can't quite get my head around. If they feed off the potential lives, doesn't that mean extra energy has been created in allowing their victims to live lives elsewhen? Where does that come from? I'm guessing there's some sort of quantum probability answer to this which I also wouldn't understand.

Also a little puzzled by the copper living past the moment when he was taken (and therefore still living his life in the present rather than "dying in the past", as the Doctor puts it), but that's probably got more to do with how I'd LIKE it to work than how it actually does.

Loved, loved, fucking loved it. Loved the bow and arrow, and the "four things. And a lizard". Loved the "it goes ping when there's stuff".

Reminded me a little bit of one of the old Alan Moore future shocks about the time detectives, where they keep crossing their own paths. Or a PKD with the cynicism levels turned way down.

Fucking quality. Bring on the final rush!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:33 / 16.06.07
Oh... my... cocking... goodness!

"Can't I say hello to anyone?"
 
 
Triplets
18:02 / 16.06.07
Fucking top!

More later but I have to go to a house party.

"Ooh, new voice! Hellooohhhh... hellohh!"
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:02 / 16.06.07
Oh. My. Fucking. God.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:05 / 16.06.07
Well, that was a surprise. But if the Master had a Chameleon thingumybob, why all that stealing people's bodies in the Eighties? What about the being sucked off in the Eye of Harmony? You can't pick and choose which bits of continuity to use you know. I suppose this might be explained next week. I also suspect that the Master may well send the TARDIS back for the Doctor, if his habit of wanting the Doctor to play the game and lose is intact.

Another damn fine episode though.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:09 / 16.06.07
Can we just drop the every-series-must-fit-with-every-past-script and say FUCK YEAH!!!!!!
 
 
Feverfew
18:12 / 16.06.07
FUCK YEAH indeed.

I had the hairs going up on the back of my neck with Yana's scoffing pronunciation of "Utopia...

Good stuff, but I've missed a few episodes this season, so I can't help but feel like I've missed some key stuff.

Anyway!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:13 / 16.06.07
Incidentally, before anyone brings it up, as far as I understand it the only time prior to 'The Christmas Invasion' that Jack could have met up with the Doctor and not violated the laws of space-time would have been New York in the 1930s and... what year was 'Tooth & Claw' set in? Maybe that one. But clearly he just couldn't get there in time, and had to wait... Oh, and 'Human Nature' etc., but let's assume the Doctor left pretty sharpish after becoming himself again.

Now, time for Master talk.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:15 / 16.06.07
You can't pick and choose which bits of continuity to use you know.

Not only can you, that's exactly what you have to fucking do to tell stories this good in this kind of genre.
 
 
Spaniel
18:21 / 16.06.07
Truth
 
  

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